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I`m warning people
You shouldn`t be worried my friend, and loose your good manners, I understand you. But I think I understand you because you won`t loose your job. Because I know that you can do it better without them. And there is no native English teaching in Aerofan, it a lie and the airplane are in very bad conditions. And their reputation is very low. So friends, take care form these two schools: Aerofan and ARE aviation. There are very good school with very good airplanes like Aerea, Aeromadrid, Aerotec. I`m not working for any of them, and I have no interest like "other people". Thank you.
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The first thing I’d like to mention is that I think it’s a shame that the Pprune webmaster can’t take some sort of action against people who quite clearly talk utter rubbish. A forum is an area for discussions and for people to give there point of view in an organized manner, not just handing out unruly criticism.
As I have recently completed IR and MEP training at Aerofan in Madrid, I can provide you with a first hand opinion.
The planes are old but very well maintained. The school has a maintenance facility on the field with engineers available throughout the day. Of the two Cessna twins that they have available, one of them had a remarkable avionic set up, including HSI and FD (which obviously were not used). The Cessna 172s have the standard basic panel, but the Beechcraft Bonanza has dual instruments and was an impressive plane to fly.
I was told that they are planning an option in the future that will allow students to fly the C402, but I was not offered this option when I was there. The Cessna 310 was superb.
I was assigned two instructors for my training. One British, and another one Spanish and who is also the CFI. No language issues at all. I found the quality of the training well above what I expected, and the general feeling I got whilst I was over there was that they made me feel like a real customer.
I handed in the Aerofan file to the CAA at LGW and they inserted my rating in record time. There’s quite a lot of paper work involved, but I didn’t have any problem whatsoever.
I was recommended the school by two people who have trained there and in fact are now working for two well know UK LCCs as copilots. I have since personally recommended this school also to several friends, and a one of them has just completed a ME-IR. I have not heard of any complaints. But obviously if you’re looking for top notch brand new aircraft with leather seats, AC, and AP, I would not recommend Aerofan.
Without doubt there is no FTO that is perfect I’m sure that Aerofan has had some unhappy customers over the years. But the feeling and impression that I got whilst I was there, was that they know their job, and they know what they’re doing. I can’t say the same for some of the flying schools that I’ve trained at.
So, if in doubt, go and visit them, speak to the staff, speak to the instructors, and more importantly, speak to some of the many students that have been there before. That’s the homework to do. I did mine.
* Oh, and by the way, for those from the north like myself, I warn you, it gets hot out there in Madrid!!
As I have recently completed IR and MEP training at Aerofan in Madrid, I can provide you with a first hand opinion.
The planes are old but very well maintained. The school has a maintenance facility on the field with engineers available throughout the day. Of the two Cessna twins that they have available, one of them had a remarkable avionic set up, including HSI and FD (which obviously were not used). The Cessna 172s have the standard basic panel, but the Beechcraft Bonanza has dual instruments and was an impressive plane to fly.
I was told that they are planning an option in the future that will allow students to fly the C402, but I was not offered this option when I was there. The Cessna 310 was superb.
I was assigned two instructors for my training. One British, and another one Spanish and who is also the CFI. No language issues at all. I found the quality of the training well above what I expected, and the general feeling I got whilst I was over there was that they made me feel like a real customer.
I handed in the Aerofan file to the CAA at LGW and they inserted my rating in record time. There’s quite a lot of paper work involved, but I didn’t have any problem whatsoever.
I was recommended the school by two people who have trained there and in fact are now working for two well know UK LCCs as copilots. I have since personally recommended this school also to several friends, and a one of them has just completed a ME-IR. I have not heard of any complaints. But obviously if you’re looking for top notch brand new aircraft with leather seats, AC, and AP, I would not recommend Aerofan.
Without doubt there is no FTO that is perfect I’m sure that Aerofan has had some unhappy customers over the years. But the feeling and impression that I got whilst I was there, was that they know their job, and they know what they’re doing. I can’t say the same for some of the flying schools that I’ve trained at.
So, if in doubt, go and visit them, speak to the staff, speak to the instructors, and more importantly, speak to some of the many students that have been there before. That’s the homework to do. I did mine.
* Oh, and by the way, for those from the north like myself, I warn you, it gets hot out there in Madrid!!
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Originally Posted by david fraser
You shouldn`t be worried my friend, and loose your good manners, I understand you. But I think I understand you because you won`t loose your job. Because I know that you can do it better without them. And there is no native English teaching in Aerofan, it a lie and the airplane are in very bad conditions. And their reputation is very low. So friends, take care form these two schools: Aerofan and ARE aviation. There are very good school with very good airplanes like Aerea, Aeromadrid, Aerotec. I`m not working for any of them, and I have no interest like "other people". Thank you.
OK, my last reply on this issue, because quite frankly, i wish i had a clue what you were saying !!!
. I get the gist of some of it but really the rest makes no sense at all, should i or shouldnt i be worried? do you or do you not understand me? , what job wont i loose? what can i do better without them? who are all these liars? if they have a bad reputation, why have i never heard any of it in the year i have flown with them?1 FACT there is native english teaching if you want it.(call Aerofan and speak to James Ward)
2 FACT , the aircraft are in very good condition
3 FACT Aerofan have a good enough reputation if you read all the feedback on this forum
4 FACT, contrary to what Mr David Fraser or whatever his real name is in Spanish thinks, i do not work for Aerofan, but use them regularly.
As for the last post from me-uk, well done , i couldnt have put it better myself.
If in doubt, check it out for yourself
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I`m warning people
You shouldn`t be worried my friend, and loose your good manners, I understand you. But I think I understand you because you won`t loose your job. Because I know that you can do it better without them. And there is no native English teaching in Aerofan, it a lie and the airplane are in very bad conditions. And their reputation is very low. So friends, take care from these two schools: Aerofan and ARE aviation. There are very good school with very good airplanes like Aerea, Aeromadrid, Aerotec. I`m not working for any of them, and I have no interest like "other people". Thank you.
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Originally Posted by hughesyd
Ah John Cooper and David Frazer........welcome welcome.
As you have both joined at the same time, and this is both your first thread, sorry to hear you both have had bad experiences with Aerofan.
I see you both write in the same style...........hang on........i see a pattern emerging here...........
As you have both joined at the same time, and this is both your first thread, sorry to hear you both have had bad experiences with Aerofan.
I see you both write in the same style...........hang on........i see a pattern emerging here...........
absolutely, what a pair of chumps!
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I don't normally contribute to these forums but, having read the absolute codswallop written by Mr COOPER & FRASER (or whatever his real name is!) I felt compelled to stand up for Aerofan. I spent three weeks with them last year to do an IR and found them to be very friendly and they provided exactly what they said they would (and on time!). I've flown with various schools in the USA and the UK and take it from me there are previous disgruntled customers for all of them - and in my experience, most of the time it is down to the students attitude or lack of ability - looking to blame someone else for their failings. Sure, there are some instances where the schools fail to deliver but that happens in all businesses.
As far as Aerofan's aircraft are concerned, I never had a problem. OK, they are not brand new but that is reflected in the cost. Whenever we encountered any mechanical problems they were fixed very quickly by the on-site engineers. I wouldn't hesitate to recommend Aerofan to anyone to add ratings (ME or IR). However, I think it would be wiser to do your PPL and CPL in your native country - I did my CPL in the States and I can assure everyone that there are procedural differences (eg, Radio procedures, Approach Plates, NDBs etc etc). I found the transition quite confusing when I returned to the UK to continue the IR. Good luck to you all!!
As far as Aerofan's aircraft are concerned, I never had a problem. OK, they are not brand new but that is reflected in the cost. Whenever we encountered any mechanical problems they were fixed very quickly by the on-site engineers. I wouldn't hesitate to recommend Aerofan to anyone to add ratings (ME or IR). However, I think it would be wiser to do your PPL and CPL in your native country - I did my CPL in the States and I can assure everyone that there are procedural differences (eg, Radio procedures, Approach Plates, NDBs etc etc). I found the transition quite confusing when I returned to the UK to continue the IR. Good luck to you all!!
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I am thinking of doing the ME/IR at aerodynamics malaga. What is the process you have to got through at Gatwick when you get home to change it to CAA? Do you have to appear in person and can you just turn up or do you need an appointment? How much does it cost? PM me if you want thanks.
PS I think messers Fraser and Cooper sound like A320rider ......... gloom and doom merchants with pigeon english!!!
PS I think messers Fraser and Cooper sound like A320rider ......... gloom and doom merchants with pigeon english!!!
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hughesyd, you're making alot of sense here, this chap obviously doesnt really know what hes talking about and I also see the similarity between john cooper and david frazer. The simple solution to you both (john/david) would be...Dont like Aerofan, dont go/train there, but dont try and poison people with your (what seems to be), quite an unfounded, immature opinion.
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Friends, take care from these two schools: Aerofan and ARE aviation. There are very good school with very good airplanes like Aerea, Aeromadrid, Aerotec. I`m not working for any of them, and don`t have any interests in them. I`m just telling facts. But always take a close look at them before choosing.
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I`m not trying to poison anyone, I`m just telling the truth. Watch out and look to all the FTO before, and if you can, ask and talk to the people in the airport building, they can tell you a lot about all these schools.
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Fraser,
Keep up the good work!! Soon your reputation will preceed you (if it has not already) and you definatley wont get an aviation job. That just makes an extra vacancy for me if I ever get an ATPL.
Keep up the good work!! Soon your reputation will preceed you (if it has not already) and you definatley wont get an aviation job. That just makes an extra vacancy for me if I ever get an ATPL.
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I’ve got no idea how they do it at Aerodynamics. But at Aerofan they sent me a file once I’d completed my course which included, among a whole load of other documents (some of them were actually in Spanish and English!!), the signed CAA forms. All I had to do was to fill in the blanks, and provide my credit card details. I gave the file to the CAA together with my log book, and had my rating inserted with no problem at all. I suggest that you ring Gatwick before, as what they charge varies depending on what rating/s you need to have inserted.
I think most of this is all standard procedure, because at least in my case, before actually going to Madrid, I made a call to Gatwick, and the lady whom I spoke to knew Aerofan perfectly well. I assume this is probably the case with Aerodynamics.
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I haven`t change my tune at all. I`m still warning people to avoid this FTO. If you`d see their planes before, you wouldn`t go there. That`s why I`m saying to take a close look before.
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come on then David Fraser!!!
back up your claim, when exactly were you at Aerofan and for what training??. Did you fly the Bonanza, 172 , 152 or 310s?. Tell us all what was exactly wrong with the aircraft?. A few flies stuck on the leading edge perhaps?, a chip of paint missing from the livery?, an old fashioned seating pattern, tut tut. In the year i have flow with them, i once had a defective radio, but hardly something that couldnt be fixed, in fact it was the next day.Tell us the truth and come clean with why you really had a problem with this FTO, after all we dont like lyers do we!!
I have flown some old aircraft in my flying experiences so far, interior falling to bits and so on. Aerfans are old but dont fall anywhere near into this catergory. They are very well looked after.
so come on , tell us what they failed you on???
back up your claim, when exactly were you at Aerofan and for what training??. Did you fly the Bonanza, 172 , 152 or 310s?. Tell us all what was exactly wrong with the aircraft?. A few flies stuck on the leading edge perhaps?, a chip of paint missing from the livery?, an old fashioned seating pattern, tut tut. In the year i have flow with them, i once had a defective radio, but hardly something that couldnt be fixed, in fact it was the next day.Tell us the truth and come clean with why you really had a problem with this FTO, after all we dont like lyers do we!!
I have flown some old aircraft in my flying experiences so far, interior falling to bits and so on. Aerfans are old but dont fall anywhere near into this catergory. They are very well looked after.
so come on , tell us what they failed you on???
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Don't give this idiot the time of day - lets stop posting any more threads and ignore him - hes an absolute plonker. He'll never make a pilot as long as I've got a hole in my ****.
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Ok…..It seems that there is a campaign here, and while I am loathe to even give it credit by responding, I would like to give my limited experience of Aerofan.
I too was curious as to whether it might be too good to be true. So I decided to take a visit.
I was met with nothing but courtesy, openness and friendliness - in stark contrast to several other schools I have visited to review, both in the UK and elsewhere.
The school is small, but I might suggest, organised.
The two native Spanish instructors I met both spoke English at a level that would be more than acceptable for any training.
I looked at their Cessnas and the Bonanza. The Cessnas appeared little different in equipment to many I have seen in other schools. The Bonanza instruments were somewhat aged, but did not seem to present a problem in flight. I say in flight, because I was given the opportunity to back-seat a two hour instructor training flight. How many schools do you know that would do that?
The instruction that I observed was high quality, as the aircraft (and pilot flying) was put though its paces, sometimes at the edge of the envelope. At least one safety critical error was picked up.
Most impressive is the approach taken to student booking and finance. The documentation is clear, and the financial integrity that I experienced was high. Other schools might do well to learn from them.
So, if you do want to learn to fly do at least two things:
1. Make sure that you are set-up to do it all quickly
2. Before proceeding with any school, go and visit.
Chiao
I too was curious as to whether it might be too good to be true. So I decided to take a visit.
I was met with nothing but courtesy, openness and friendliness - in stark contrast to several other schools I have visited to review, both in the UK and elsewhere.
The school is small, but I might suggest, organised.
The two native Spanish instructors I met both spoke English at a level that would be more than acceptable for any training.
I looked at their Cessnas and the Bonanza. The Cessnas appeared little different in equipment to many I have seen in other schools. The Bonanza instruments were somewhat aged, but did not seem to present a problem in flight. I say in flight, because I was given the opportunity to back-seat a two hour instructor training flight. How many schools do you know that would do that?
The instruction that I observed was high quality, as the aircraft (and pilot flying) was put though its paces, sometimes at the edge of the envelope. At least one safety critical error was picked up.
Most impressive is the approach taken to student booking and finance. The documentation is clear, and the financial integrity that I experienced was high. Other schools might do well to learn from them.
So, if you do want to learn to fly do at least two things:
1. Make sure that you are set-up to do it all quickly
2. Before proceeding with any school, go and visit.
Chiao
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Hi everyone,
Does anyone know when is the next ATPL modular course due to start??
I called them and they told me it was in October but didn't tell me the exact date.
Thanks beforehand
Does anyone know when is the next ATPL modular course due to start??
I called them and they told me it was in October but didn't tell me the exact date.
Thanks beforehand