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The CAA shouldn't refuse Aerofan's ratings, unless the Spanish DGAC has pulled Aerofan's IR training approval in Spain.
If a FTO is approved for IR training in one JAA member state the rating should be recognised for inclusion on a licence issued by any other member state.
It only applies to CPL training, where foreign FTOs must be formally approved by the state of licence issue, e.g. FTE (Spain), EFT (USA), but they are still audited by the UK CAA.
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If a FTO is approved for IR training in one JAA member state the rating should be recognised for inclusion on a licence issued by any other member state.
It only applies to CPL training, where foreign FTOs must be formally approved by the state of licence issue, e.g. FTE (Spain), EFT (USA), but they are still audited by the UK CAA.
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After lots of researching thats exactly how i understood things, which is why reading 'above' i was surprised (that and the fact that im due to start in spain very soon!)
After lots of researching thats exactly how i understood things, which is why reading 'above' i was surprised (that and the fact that im due to start in spain very soon!)
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flew with aerofan today, asked the manager directly today. Its not true at all and its the first he had heard of such a thing!!.
Bad rumours can be damaging to a FTO, especially on here.
Be careful boys and girls what you print!
Bad rumours can be damaging to a FTO, especially on here.
Be careful boys and girls what you print!
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AEROFAN, MADRID, SPAIN
Hello everybody, I`ve been to Spain, and I`ve seen Aerofan school and I don`t recommend this school to anybody. You just go and see their airplanes: very old and broken, nothing works inside, and they say they have native instructors, but this is a lie. You can see it by yourself. And there is an express order given to the instructor to talk twenty minutes on gound to waste the flight time, specially on multi-engine. So, do not pay anything before seeing the airplanes. If you go to Madird, go and see the airplanes before, and talk to the spanish pilots, you can always find a bunch of them in the airport area. Don`t believe everything you read, they can put "we are the best", they can put whatever they want. I`ve seen Aeromadrid and Aerotec, and they`ve got new airplanes, one or two years old. Go and have a look first, and believe what you see.
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I`VE BEEN THERE TOO IN AEROFAN
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Yes, it`s true, old airplanes, very messy organisation and the worse, very bad reputation. It affects me each time I present my CV to transport airline.
Yes, it`s true, old airplanes, very messy organisation and the worse, very bad reputation. It affects me each time I present my CV to transport airline.
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Question, did you fly with Aerofan.
I for one am extremely picky when it comes to aircraft, i also feel i am in a position to comment on both Aerofan and Aeromadrid, as i am currently training with both and have been for the last year. I am also from the UK, have flown in the USA , UK, and Spain.
Aerofan aircraft are NOT IN A BAD CONDITON!!, on the contrary, they are maintained on site and kept in a very good condition, i can only assume you have been flying brand new planes in the past with a pretty little interior and fancy cockpits!!. Did you fly with any of the schools you mention.
The school is generally very good, and untill you have honestly flown with a few schools, you have nothing to compare them to. Aerofan run a good, highly efficient flight training school, at a very cheap price.Just look at the countless threads on here from UK trainees who have completed their IR Multi there.
Aeromadid are also a good school but expensive, also limited when they can fly.
You must have been unlucky with your instructor as there are 2/3 who speak very good english.
I for one am extremely picky when it comes to aircraft, i also feel i am in a position to comment on both Aerofan and Aeromadrid, as i am currently training with both and have been for the last year. I am also from the UK, have flown in the USA , UK, and Spain.
Aerofan aircraft are NOT IN A BAD CONDITON!!, on the contrary, they are maintained on site and kept in a very good condition, i can only assume you have been flying brand new planes in the past with a pretty little interior and fancy cockpits!!. Did you fly with any of the schools you mention.
The school is generally very good, and untill you have honestly flown with a few schools, you have nothing to compare them to. Aerofan run a good, highly efficient flight training school, at a very cheap price.Just look at the countless threads on here from UK trainees who have completed their IR Multi there.
Aeromadid are also a good school but expensive, also limited when they can fly.
You must have been unlucky with your instructor as there are 2/3 who speak very good english.
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Originally Posted by david fraser
Hello,
Yes, it`s true, old airplanes, very messy organisation and the worse, very bad reputation. It affects me each time I present my CV to transport airline.
Yes, it`s true, old airplanes, very messy organisation and the worse, very bad reputation. It affects me each time I present my CV to transport airline.
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Ah John Cooper and David Frazer........welcome welcome.
As you have both joined at the same time, and this is both your first thread, sorry to hear you both have had bad experiences with Aerofan.
I see you both write in the same style...........hang on........i see a pattern emerging here...........
As you have both joined at the same time, and this is both your first thread, sorry to hear you both have had bad experiences with Aerofan.
I see you both write in the same style...........hang on........i see a pattern emerging here...........
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YES, I`VE BEEN FLYING
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Yes i`ve been flying with Aerofan, and they are liars. They are announcing 402 Cessna, 3 years ago, but that plane never flew before with Aerofan. In the first test flight, last week, it had an accident, one engine broke, and there is damage everywhere. And you can ask by telephone if is true or no: 00 34 913210923. Have a nice day. I know you have to defend your company.
Yes i`ve been flying with Aerofan, and they are liars. They are announcing 402 Cessna, 3 years ago, but that plane never flew before with Aerofan. In the first test flight, last week, it had an accident, one engine broke, and there is damage everywhere. And you can ask by telephone if is true or no: 00 34 913210923. Have a nice day. I know you have to defend your company.
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Dear Mr " David Frazer" ahemmm
For one , i dont think you are in any position to comment on the standard of anybodys English when yours, clearly leaves a lot to be desired!!.
Secondly, i DO NOT work for Aerofan as i have made quite clear , or perhaps you didnt translate the text corectly!. I do simply use Aerofan for building hours when i get spare time, using the aircraft you so wrongly point out as "broken ". As i have said before, i would not accept an aircraft that was in poor condition, and so far have never had that with Aerofan.
The 402 has never been advertised as far back as i can remember as a option to fly with Aerofan, untill recently. It has however advertized the 310 of which it has 2 and both are usually fit to fly. The 402 has been having a full rebuild,being made available if so desired as a option to complete the last 15 hours of the ME/IR in a big 9 seat twin aircraft.
Why you would want this option anyway is beyond me. there is enough to contend with, without having to learn a whole new aircraft on top of completing you IR/ME. Remember , this is a option they are going to offer, at present they offer the ME/IR in the 172 and then onto the 310, of which i have never known anybody have any problems, in fact a great aircraft to fly.
I had better watch out tommorow when i am taxiing at Quatro Vientos if the aircraft is broken all over the place!!
For one , i dont think you are in any position to comment on the standard of anybodys English when yours, clearly leaves a lot to be desired!!.
Secondly, i DO NOT work for Aerofan as i have made quite clear , or perhaps you didnt translate the text corectly!. I do simply use Aerofan for building hours when i get spare time, using the aircraft you so wrongly point out as "broken ". As i have said before, i would not accept an aircraft that was in poor condition, and so far have never had that with Aerofan.
The 402 has never been advertised as far back as i can remember as a option to fly with Aerofan, untill recently. It has however advertized the 310 of which it has 2 and both are usually fit to fly. The 402 has been having a full rebuild,being made available if so desired as a option to complete the last 15 hours of the ME/IR in a big 9 seat twin aircraft.
Why you would want this option anyway is beyond me. there is enough to contend with, without having to learn a whole new aircraft on top of completing you IR/ME. Remember , this is a option they are going to offer, at present they offer the ME/IR in the 172 and then onto the 310, of which i have never known anybody have any problems, in fact a great aircraft to fly.
I had better watch out tommorow when i am taxiing at Quatro Vientos if the aircraft is broken all over the place!!
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I personally know someone who just got back from aerofan after going there to do his meir conversion. He got it done for a fraction of the price he would have done it for in this country and the caa had no problem issuing him his ratings in fact he's already going through ctc.
He said he would recomend them to anyone. I am personally planning to go there myself and asked th caa point blank if they refused ratings obtained from any spanish school and they denied it categorically.
As long as you start and finish with them they have no problem issuing it. It is the atpl and cpl that you have to do in this country. I dont know where this rumors come from. Like every school in the uk they are not perfect and you will get one or two people who have problems with them. The same could be said of any school in this country including oxford.
He said he would recomend them to anyone. I am personally planning to go there myself and asked th caa point blank if they refused ratings obtained from any spanish school and they denied it categorically.
As long as you start and finish with them they have no problem issuing it. It is the atpl and cpl that you have to do in this country. I dont know where this rumors come from. Like every school in the uk they are not perfect and you will get one or two people who have problems with them. The same could be said of any school in this country including oxford.
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Is the multi IR rating a single test or is it two seperate tests ie multi + IR? I am thinking of going to aerodynamics malaga for me/ir and they seem to have the option of both. What do the airlines want?
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Originally Posted by nuclear weapon
It is the atpl and cpl that you have to do in this country.
The JAA member state that issues an individual's first JAA licence is, by default the state of licence issue and any further licences must normally be issued by that state. Therefore, if you hold a JAA PPL issued by the UK, you must normally have the CPL (and ATPL) issued in the UK. It is possible to change the state of licence issue but there are certain employment and/or residency requirements that must be fulfilled and both states must formally agree to the change. Subsequent ratings may be gained in any member state and will be entered into the licence by the state of licence issue. (JAR-FCL 1.065)
It is also possible in certain circumstances to commence training for a licence in one member state and to complete it in another. However, the requirements for this are quite stringent and the states concerned must again have a formal agreement, including which is to be the state of licence issue. The only such agreement in place at the moment is between the UK CAA and the IAA concerning the modular CPL(A) course for which the theoretical knowledge may be completed in either state and the flight training in the other.
In normal circumstances, therefore, it would not be possible for the holder of a JAA PPL issued in the UK to elect to undertake CPL training in another member state unless they took up residency in that state (JAR-FCL 1.070). To subsequently transfer the state of licence issue back to the UK would require residency to be re-established in the UK. Seems an awful lot of hassle to save a few quid on flight training!
It is also possible in certain circumstances to commence training for a licence in one member state and to complete it in another. However, the requirements for this are quite stringent and the states concerned must again have a formal agreement, including which is to be the state of licence issue. The only such agreement in place at the moment is between the UK CAA and the IAA concerning the modular CPL(A) course for which the theoretical knowledge may be completed in either state and the flight training in the other.
In normal circumstances, therefore, it would not be possible for the holder of a JAA PPL issued in the UK to elect to undertake CPL training in another member state unless they took up residency in that state (JAR-FCL 1.070). To subsequently transfer the state of licence issue back to the UK would require residency to be re-established in the UK. Seems an awful lot of hassle to save a few quid on flight training!
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I KNOW THAT YOU HAVE TO KEEP YOUR JOB
In the Aerofan Ad, they say: "native instructors", and the only one native is you. But if you call the office (not the mobile) they will answer you: "I "j"ave to go "j"ome. And this is another lie. One airplane from Aerotec or Aeromadird costs five time more than one of Aerofan. So everybody: phone the tower, phone aerofan office, check out before it`s too late. Ask people who have flown with Aerofan.
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Originally Posted by david fraser
In the Aerofan Ad, they say: "native instructors", and the only one native is you. But if you call the office (not the mobile) they will answer you: "I "j"ave to go "j"ome. And this is another lie. One airplane from Aerotec or Aeromadird costs five time more than one of Aerofan. So everybody: phone the tower, phone aerofan office, check out before it`s too late. Ask people who have flown with Aerofan.
What the hell are you talking about!!
One thing i will agree with you is ask everybody who has flown with them. there are plenty of threads on here which support the school.
Claiming that Aeromadrid and Aerotecs planes are worth 5 times more is a bizzare statement to make you fool!!. As i have said , the aircraft are in tip top condition.Just as good if not better than the other aircraft the other schools are flying, remember , i have flown with all off them.
I suggest you go and find a quite corner and have a word with yourself!. I accept that you may have had a bad experience with Aerofan, whatever it may have been, its a sad fact that this happens with some people at all FTOs at some stage. What does annoy me is when you make bizzare and stupid statements about things which are clearly not true.
Are you sure the problem didnt just lie with yourself, did you fail?, tell us really why you have a axe to grind with this FTO?