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Old 15th Feb 2017, 09:25
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Well, I am not aware of any photo-copier sales engineers that have been prosecuted for claiming to be such but I am aware of people being prosecuted for wearing military badges and medals that they are not entitled to wear.
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Mr PDR Sir,

You miss the point. If someone were to dine out on what their instructors did in a previous life then you could be forgiven for thinking they were a bit of a knob.

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Well, I am not aware of any photo-copier sales engineers that have been prosecuted for claiming to be such but I am aware of people being prosecuted for wearing military badges and medals that they are not entitled to wear.
But they were prosecuted for doing so with clear intent to decieve, which I'm struggling to see as being the case with TCT. WHich is rather the point, I feel.

Go to any PFA fly-in and you will see lots of PPLs wearing similar badges on their flying gear. In many cases you'll see these people weariung military pattern flying overalls with these badges on. No one campaigns about them...

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One question.
Do you really, honestly, hand-on-heart believe for just one second that TCT has never set out to deceive?

The wings are just one small part of an overall bigger picture of deception.
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Old 15th Feb 2017, 09:58
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Can you find me one single person who saw that badge and on that basis assumed she had passed an RAF Wings qualification? In this environment surely everyone knows that the badges mean nothing at all when worn by a civilian?
Well I assumed that she had when I asked my question about it; just as I assumed that she could explain the apparent contradictions covered by my other two questions.

Apparently I was wrong.
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The current discussion seems similar to the diversion tactics at play in the White House. The defenders pick a subject of their choosing and argue it to death rather than addressing uncomfortable truths.

Like many other wannabees she wore a badge..so, she's a walt, show-off, brazen, disrespectful etc...end of, forget it.

The real issue, which will keep coming back until she fades away or apologises, is that she said she flew solo, she inferred she flew solo, she accepted rewards for flying solo but she didn't fly solo. She then tried to deflect these wrongs onto others. That is deceit.
Defenders complain it isn't fair to keep raising the issue. Maybe it's because they have no answers.
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Go to any PFA fly-in and you will see lots of PPLs wearing similar badges on their flying gear. In many cases you'll see these people weariung military pattern flying overalls with these badges on. No one campaigns about them...
I doubt very much they are seeking sponsorship or financial gain, it is just rather sad if they think wearing a pair of RAF wings will boost their image.
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Old 15th Feb 2017, 10:25
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TCT was only the puppet in this charade.

Boeing and Artemis were feeding the publicity machine.

Ordinary pilots do not get a ceremonial welcome at Pakistan's military bases by the top brass.



Tracey and Ewald landing at Karachi despite it being sold to the press as a solo trip.


Boeing are big suppliers to Pakistan.

Yesterday, the renowned pilot arrived at the Karachi airport, where she acknowledged the hospitality and honor given to her by the Pakistani forces, government and locals. While she was warned about the security situation in Pakistan when she planned her journey a year ago, she is happy to report that the “things are quite normal”. The arrival event at the Karachi airport was hosted by Engro Corporation.
No McDonald's visit and a budget hotel there.

I have it from a gold plated source inside the Honourable Company Of Air Pilots that it was Boeing who insisted TCT received the Masters Medal despite objections from some long time members.

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Jay, the landing in Karachi may be one of the few occasions where Ewald was not in the aircraft. Without checking back I believe this flight may have come in from Gwadar and had Prince Nikolaos of Greece as the pax. He is obviously in great need of her outreach.
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That is interesting.

The officer on the right in the picture above is Air Marshal Asad Abdur Rehman Khan Lodhi.

In one of the stops in Pakistan, HRH Prince Nikolaos joined the pilot and co-travelled with her in a three-hour flight from Gwadar to the airport of Karachi on November 17th.
If she can fly without Ewald why did she need him in the front seat most of the time?

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It is a FACT that the citation for the HCAP award says it was an award for a DUAL flight, and Erwald is mentioned in that citation. Nothing could be clearer than that!
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That'll be the same citation that names Ewald as the co-pilot when the BiaB team deny he ever took the controls or acted as a co-pilot.

As for getting from Gwadar to Karachi. Take off, keep the wet stuff on your right and as the compass says "S" after about 3 hours Karachi will be just off to your left. I think even Mark Thatcher could have navigated that leg. ;-)
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"Boeing are big suppliers to Pakistan"?

So what?
Boeing are big suppliers - FULL STOP. To everywhere!
She got sponsorship from Boeing for flying a Boeing aircraft (leading up to their centenary). Sponsorship is intended to gain publicity and that seems to have been successful!
I am surprised that no one has found some obscure connection with the flowers in the photo!

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That'll be the same citation that names Ewald as the co-pilot when the BiaB team deny he ever took the controls or acted as a co-pilot.

As for getting from Gwadar to Karachi. Take off, keep the wet stuff on your right and as the compass says "S" after about 3 hours Karachi will be just off to your left. I think even Mark Thatcher could have navigated that leg. ;-)
More libel!
Mark Thatcher this time as well as her!
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Old 15th Feb 2017, 11:56
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To quote Terry Holloway
It is a FACT that the citation for the HCAP award says it was an award for a DUAL flight, and Erwald is mentioned in that citation. Nothing could be clearer than that!
If it was never intended to be a 'solo' flight why the charade at Farnborough and Sydney?

Ewald was hidden from the media and never mentioned until the truth emerged.

The full details of the redrafted citation are here.

Tracey Curtis-Taylor

Between October last year and January this year, Tracey Curtis-Taylor led an aviation expedition from the UK to Australia, retracing the route flown by Amy Johnson as tribute to her, and evoking the pioneering spirit of that era, but with a very different purpose or objective for the whole undertaking. Unlike Amy Johnson’s flight this was not a solo flight and it was sponsored by Artemis and Boeing as part of a promotional endeavour to encourage females into aviation. Tracey's team consisting her co-pilot and engineer, Ewald Gritsch, flying with her in the Stearman biplane, and film-crew in a Cessna Caravan chase-plane throughout the expedition, together with back-up and logistics support team, were all there with one specific principal aim in mind: to promote aviation to many thousands of youngsters, especially women, across the globe for whom flying is a distant, even unknown or seemingly unachievable activity. The entire expedition was filmed for a documentary and will show, better than can be described by any citation, how this outreach to youngsters in the Middle East and Asia in particular was achieved.

This was a singularly spectacular and successful advertisement for women in aviation, worldwide. Whether young women witnessed the flights directly, or indirectly by following social media or press campaigns, many will have been inspired by this ‘bird in a biplane’. In many of the countries en route and where Tracey and her team stopped-over, refuelled or put-on demonstration flights, a woman driving a car is almost unheard of, let alone flying a plane. Consider the impact that seeing a woman in the cockpit had on many of those young, impressionable women.

The Master’s award recognises Tracey Curtis-Taylor’s work in raising awareness of science and technology in general, and aviation in particular, amongst young women across the world. In recognition of her role as leader of this aviation expedition, and all it achieved, Tracey Curtis-Taylor is awarded the Master's Medal for 2016.
https://www.airpilots.org/about-the-...masters-medal/

They had to really burn the midnight oil at HCAP HQ to write the above as they waded through all the press cuttings last year revealing the solo headlines months earlier were untrue.

I won't bother posting the original from Chris Ford.

Terry Holloway..She got sponsorship from Boeing for flying a Boeing aircraft (leading up to their centenary). Sponsorship is intended to gain publicity and that seems to have been successful!
I am not sure Boeing want to post this picture in their reception Terry.


Or this one


The above are ironic given this quote.
Amy Johnson, who dared the unique venture had completed less than 100 flying hours and had literally crashed, while making a forced landing in Australia, as Tracey apprised the media of that historic feet. She smilingly said, ‘I can’t reproduce what she did’.
source https://www.liverostrum.com/karachi-...l#.WKRRwXgbmrU

If you really think the thread deserves closing Terry then a question and answer session on PPRuNe with TCT, Boeing,Artemis,Tim Kelley and D'Arcey Partnership will achieve that.

All the above were more than happy to talk to the media last year.

However when the truth started to emerge they avoided the limelight.

Answers to Jonzarno's questions might be a start?

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Old 15th Feb 2017, 12:08
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in order to keep this thread alive
With respect: the biggest single reason for the longevity of the thread is Ms Curtis-Taylor's refusal to answer the questions asked of her. She seems to be hoping that if she ignores them, the thread will fade away. So far, that strategy seems not to be working too well.
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Old 15th Feb 2017, 12:21
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Originally Posted by Jonzarno View Post
With respect: the biggest single reason for the longevity of the thread is Ms Curtis-Taylor's refusal to answer the questions asked of her. She seems to be hoping that if she ignores them, the thread will fade away. So far, that strategy seems not to be working too well.
I cannot, and do not speak for her, but perhaps she does not consider it necessary to respond to anonymous individuals on a social media site.
She turned up to address the LAA AGM and seemingly "won (those who were present) over" by what she said.

I don't intend to post anymore on here, unless I see me being misquoted again, or see downright lies and distortion!!

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I am surprised that no one has found some obscure connection with the flowers in the photo!
Thanks Terry, I missed that crucial point. They are probably plastic flowers and as such are as fake as the whole charade.

As for the Mark Thatcher comment being libelous, difficult to say without the aid of a smiley or two but I take it you are joking. It is simply a statement of fact; Mark Thatcher could have navigated that route.

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She turned up to address the LAA AGM and seemingly "won (those who were present) over" by what she said.
Did she really win them over? Bearing in mind this vote was held BEFORE we saw the Herne bay video of her continuing the downright lie and distortion. I would bet that the vote would have been even less in her favour had that surfaced before the AGM, don't you?
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I cannot, and do not speak for her, but perhaps she does not consider it necessary to respond to anonymous individuals on a social media site.
Terry

Again with respect: I am anything but an anonymous individual, you know exactly who I am and where I can be found. The questions I asked were strictly factual and couched in moderate language. You yourself have confirmed that you passed them on to her. In an earlier post I even offered to speak to her away from the forum.

I agree that some of the posts in the thread have been pretty offensive and would distance myself from those posts. Their existence, however, does not diminish the relevance of the questions that have been asked and which Ms Curtis-Taylor chooses to ignore.

I suggest again that whether she has good answers to the questions and justifies her actions, or doesn't and offers a genuine apology; that will lance the boil and get at least the more moderate and objective amongst us on her side. Personally, I hope that she will reflect and choose to go this route.

Absent that: I'm afraid she has rather made the rod for her own back.
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Terry : I am sorry to have to inform you that Tracey's presence at the LAA-AGM did nothing more than pour rather alot more petrol on what was already a pretty ferocious fire. It was pretty obvious to most that she had managed to recruit some support and that they had hatched a plot to get the proxy votes thrown out and allow a minority of hand wavers to win the day for her.

Luckily , she was stamped upon from the Chair in pretty short order and reminded of the LAA's Articles & Memoranda of Association . Afterwhich , the motion was carried by a majority.

You are correct , this thread has dragged on for far too long. Unfortunately , the only reason that it has generated so much response is because of T.Curtis-Taylor's long-term and continued misuse of the Press/Social Media. She misused it when it suited her and was eventually bitten very , very hard.

The people who want answers are not low-life trolls , but ones like yourself Terry. Respectable, professional people , many themselves from within the professional world of aviation , who respect the meritocracy that exists here and who have gained their credentials and achievements without obfuscation.

Curtis-Taylor has played the system to her own rules [ and I use the word loosely] right from day 1. She continues to do so even now , long after Boeing and Artemis have baled out.
But as Jonzarno say's : The question's still remain . And with TC-T's reputation for honour and integrity. I fear that they always will .

Regarding her "wings" . Well , I don't really care where she puts them. They're meaningless ! Her conduct prior to the LAA-AGM was reprehensible.
Her conduct at the LAA-AGM was reprehensible.
Her conduct since has been reprehensible.

Probably a bit late in the day now for career advice. But had time been on her side , my advice WOULD have been;,,, Play it straight next time !!

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Terry : I am sorry to have to inform you that Tracey's presence at the LAA-AGM did nothing more than pour rather alot more petrol on what was already a pretty ferocious fire. It was pretty obvious to most that she had managed to recruit some support and that they had hatched a plot to get the proxy votes thrown out and allow a minority of hand wavers to win the day for her.

Luckily , she was stamped upon from the Chair in pretty short order and reminded of the LAA's Articles & Memoranda of Association . Afterwhich , the motion was carried by a majority.

You are correct , this thread has dragged on for far too long. Unfortunately , the only reason that it has generated so much response is because of T.Curtis-Taylor's long-term and continued misuse of the Press/Social Media. She misused it when it suited her and was eventually bitten very , very hard.

The people who want answers are not low-life trolls , but ones like yourself Terry. Respectable, professional people , many themselves from within the professional world of aviation , who respect the meritocracy that exists here and who have gained their credentials and achievements without obfuscation.

Curtis-Taylor has played the system to her own rules [ and I use the word loosely] right from day 1. She continues to do so even now , long after Boeing and Artemis have baled out.
But as Jonzarno say's : The question's still remain . And with TC-T's reputation for honour and integrity. I fear that they always will .

Regarding her "wings" . Well , I don't really care where she puts them. They're meaningless ! Her conduct prior to the LAA-AGM was reprehensible.
Her conduct at the LAA-AGM was reprehensible.
Her conduct since has been reprehensible.

Probably a bit late in the day now for career advice. But had time been on her side , my advice WOULD have been;,,, Play it straight next time !!
Very well said!

I wasn't able to be at the LAA AGM, but if, as it seems, TCT thought that she could have persuaded the Board to abandon its duty to their membership to abide by the Mem & Arts of the Association in her favour it just reinforces what an unrealistic and manipulative character she must be. If anyone else, male or female, had tried to pull the wool over so many peoples' eyes, whatever the sport, pastime or profession, they would surely receive the same treatment from their so called peers as has TCT in this and many other aviation related platforms.

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