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I wouldn't necessarily blame Flyer, PFA or any other service you subscribe to. These B
d spammers 'sniff' the world-wide information superweb for email addresses. The main way to stay spam-free(ish) is never subscribe to these services and never inlcude the email address in a form being submitted unencrypted.
Was working for me until Mrs bcfc ordered some flowers using my mail address and now the spam flood gates are well and truly open.
Topical understatement of the year...
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d spammers 'sniff' the world-wide information superweb for email addresses. The main way to stay spam-free(ish) is never subscribe to these services and never inlcude the email address in a form being submitted unencrypted. Was working for me until Mrs bcfc ordered some flowers using my mail address and now the spam flood gates are well and truly open.
Topical understatement of the year...
Spam Beeb article
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Tall guy, did you elect to make your e-mail address public on the FLYER Forum?
The option to make your e-mail address public on the forum is turned off by default when you sign up. If you have switched it on, any robot out there on the web can harvest e-mails addresses of a website. FLYER do NOT use the registered e-mail addresses from the forum for marketing purposes or give them out to anyone else
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The option to make your e-mail address public on the forum is turned off by default when you sign up. If you have switched it on, any robot out there on the web can harvest e-mails addresses of a website. FLYER do NOT use the registered e-mail addresses from the forum for marketing purposes or give them out to anyone else
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I set "show your email address" to No.
I did add a link to my www page though (I just removed it). Maybe the email harvester is clever enough to work out an email address from the home-page?
It was a major UK ISP.
Do you think it is worth a post on the FF to see if there is a pattern developing?
TallGuy.
p.s. I wasn't blaming the Forum, just commenting.
I set "show your email address" to No.
I did add a link to my www page though (I just removed it). Maybe the email harvester is clever enough to work out an email address from the home-page?
It was a major UK ISP.Do you think it is worth a post on the FF to see if there is a pattern developing?
TallGuy.
p.s. I wasn't blaming the Forum, just commenting.
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BlueRobin,
I am guessing that work has a decent spam filter on their email server. Many ISPs have a similar thing. Check out their homepage, and they may have something like [email protected]. You forward the spam email to the address and it adds the email characteristics to the filter. Not 100% effective, but helps...
I am guessing that work has a decent spam filter on their email server. Many ISPs have a similar thing. Check out their homepage, and they may have something like [email protected]. You forward the spam email to the address and it adds the email characteristics to the filter. Not 100% effective, but helps...
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We hope to re-open the Bulletin Board on Wednesday 7th April and apologise for the inconvenience caused. 2.4.04
Was Tue 6th
"If tomorrow never comes" should be the PFA theme song
JB
We hope to re-open the Bulletin Board on Wednesday 7th April and apologise for the inconvenience caused. 2.4.04
Was Tue 6th
"If tomorrow never comes" should be the PFA theme song
JB
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We hope to re-open the Bulletin Board this week and apologise for the inconvenience caused.
Webmaster - Wednesday 7th April 04
Webmaster - Wednesday 7th April 04
Definition from Dictionary.com
The final sentence appears to have hit the nail on the head.
<World-Wide Web> (Sometimes "webmistress") The alias or role
of the person(s) responsible for the development and
maintenance of one or more web servers and/or some or all of
the web pages at a web site. The term does not imply any
particular level of skill or mastery (see "webmonkey").
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No problem.
The suspense (ok, idle curiosity) of wondering when the PFA BB will reopen is the most interesting thing that's ever happened to it in its boring history by a long way.
If Pprune would allow it, a running 'PFA' thread on this forum would be much better IMHO.
Ordinary members could discuss things freely AND not have the committee types and their awestruck groupies wading in whenever someone has the audacity to dare suggest the top brass are doing something wrong.
The suspense (ok, idle curiosity) of wondering when the PFA BB will reopen is the most interesting thing that's ever happened to it in its boring history by a long way.
If Pprune would allow it, a running 'PFA' thread on this forum would be much better IMHO.
Ordinary members could discuss things freely AND not have the committee types and their awestruck groupies wading in whenever someone has the audacity to dare suggest the top brass are doing something wrong.
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AM - is this a hook? If so, you can start reeling in, now!
"not have the committee types and their awestruck groupies wading in whenever someone has the audacity to dare suggest the top brass are doing something wrong."
The PFA as an organisation does have a curious system of governance. Permanent staff (some technically qualified, the majority clerical) are led by a committee of unsalaried volunteers. Those volunteers are there for a variety of reasons, generally the only thing that they have in common is a genuine love of grass-roots flying. A more disparate and eclectic cross-section of society would be hard to find.
Love it or hate it, the PFA has a very important role to play in private aviation today.
Some years ago, so disillusioned was I with the state of affairs that I felt that something positive had to be done for the Association, I went to PFA HQ and expressed my concerns. Some months later I was approached by the Chairman and persuaded to put myself forward for EC candidature as my comments and criticisms were deemed useful and valid.
I had never been on a committee but had built an aeroplane and I had been a succesful MD of a company with a turnover in excess of $14m, pa. I rather naively assumed that committee work would be a rather refreshing challenge.
As with all non-cohesive units, in-fighting and empire building is prevalent. During the tenure of the previous chairman, all out guerilla-like faction fighting occured on many occasions!
I am no longer on the EC as I was not able to make the difference that I had hoped. In general most of the EC members that I have met over the years, have been there for the right reasons, the constituition of the PFA as it currently stands does not lend itself to easy governance and occasionally personalities and egos do rather get in the way, too.
What also does not help the smooth running of an Association for amateurs run by amateurs is the constant sniping from afar and behind the safety of a computer by members and sometimes non-members on the BB. I admit that even today the EC, the Chief Exec et al, do not seem terribly good at disseminating information to the membership via the website and for historic reasons seem to prefer PF for any missives.
PFA members have voted for the Executive. If you do not feel that the organisation is going the way you want it, then vote them out or even stand yourselves. It is the easiest thing in the world to bitch about something, especially when not in possession of all of the facts, it is far harder to actually do something about it.
I remain passionate about the PFA. I own 2 PFA types, one that I built from drawings and am currently making good progress with my new build project.
Stik
"not have the committee types and their awestruck groupies wading in whenever someone has the audacity to dare suggest the top brass are doing something wrong."
The PFA as an organisation does have a curious system of governance. Permanent staff (some technically qualified, the majority clerical) are led by a committee of unsalaried volunteers. Those volunteers are there for a variety of reasons, generally the only thing that they have in common is a genuine love of grass-roots flying. A more disparate and eclectic cross-section of society would be hard to find.
Love it or hate it, the PFA has a very important role to play in private aviation today.
Some years ago, so disillusioned was I with the state of affairs that I felt that something positive had to be done for the Association, I went to PFA HQ and expressed my concerns. Some months later I was approached by the Chairman and persuaded to put myself forward for EC candidature as my comments and criticisms were deemed useful and valid.
I had never been on a committee but had built an aeroplane and I had been a succesful MD of a company with a turnover in excess of $14m, pa. I rather naively assumed that committee work would be a rather refreshing challenge.
As with all non-cohesive units, in-fighting and empire building is prevalent. During the tenure of the previous chairman, all out guerilla-like faction fighting occured on many occasions!
I am no longer on the EC as I was not able to make the difference that I had hoped. In general most of the EC members that I have met over the years, have been there for the right reasons, the constituition of the PFA as it currently stands does not lend itself to easy governance and occasionally personalities and egos do rather get in the way, too.
What also does not help the smooth running of an Association for amateurs run by amateurs is the constant sniping from afar and behind the safety of a computer by members and sometimes non-members on the BB. I admit that even today the EC, the Chief Exec et al, do not seem terribly good at disseminating information to the membership via the website and for historic reasons seem to prefer PF for any missives.
PFA members have voted for the Executive. If you do not feel that the organisation is going the way you want it, then vote them out or even stand yourselves. It is the easiest thing in the world to bitch about something, especially when not in possession of all of the facts, it is far harder to actually do something about it.
I remain passionate about the PFA. I own 2 PFA types, one that I built from drawings and am currently making good progress with my new build project.
Stik
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It's a fair bet that whoever is trying to get the PFA BB up and running is an unpaid volunteer who is not professionally qualified for the task and has a full time job to do as well. I admit that it does the PFA no favours at all but that's the way it is. If you could do better, go and do it. If you couldn't, or are not prepared to, Shut up.
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If you could do better, go and do it. If you couldn't, or are not prepared to, Shut up.
Happily agree with the first part of your statement, however can not do the same with the latter.
Those in office of any organisation or club have the duty to discharge themselves of their responsibilities in the best way possible.
If the membership of the club has founded concerns they should be able to vent them in a constructive manner, stating that you can just 'do it yourself if you know better' holds no water.
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Dutch,
Sorry, I see nothing wrong with my put up or shut up call. As far as I know, the PFA has no DUTY to provide a BB. I don't think the membership has ever voted on whether or not we should have a presence in the WWWeb. I think we should and I wish it was a hell of a lot better than it is. I have neither the skills nor the time to help (but have done my bit in other directions in the past and, hopefully will in the future).
How do we know that the people doing all the complaining are members?
The easiest way to stop the complaints is to abandon the service. Just close it down altogether.
If you can't help, don't hinder.
Or, as someone has as a tag line to his posts:-
Lead, follow or get out of the bluddy way.
Mike W
Sorry, I see nothing wrong with my put up or shut up call. As far as I know, the PFA has no DUTY to provide a BB. I don't think the membership has ever voted on whether or not we should have a presence in the WWWeb. I think we should and I wish it was a hell of a lot better than it is. I have neither the skills nor the time to help (but have done my bit in other directions in the past and, hopefully will in the future).
How do we know that the people doing all the complaining are members?
The easiest way to stop the complaints is to abandon the service. Just close it down altogether.
If you can't help, don't hinder.
Or, as someone has as a tag line to his posts:-
Lead, follow or get out of the bluddy way.
Mike W
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Obviously there may well be/have been folks that were complaining on the PFA BB but ISTR that most people on there were posting under their real name rather than an alias.
It is clear that a lot of people are a more thoughtful and careful when they are posting under their real name.
You can take the view that the PFA does not have to provide a BB but that would be pretty shortsighted. There can be no doubt that the internet and BB have their limitations and can be misused by people to whip up negative sentiments.
It can however also be a very efficient thermometer to gauge what is happening out there and be a fond of knowledge for its membership.
How you view these benefits/risks may well depend on how you stand in life as an individual/organisation.
As you so eloquently state you can live by slogans. On the whole more the domain of despots.
Nowt wrong with some constructive debate and positive criticism. Or do the people you work and live with get treated to a healthy dose of rhetoric when they raise an issue?
FD
It is clear that a lot of people are a more thoughtful and careful when they are posting under their real name.
You can take the view that the PFA does not have to provide a BB but that would be pretty shortsighted. There can be no doubt that the internet and BB have their limitations and can be misused by people to whip up negative sentiments.
It can however also be a very efficient thermometer to gauge what is happening out there and be a fond of knowledge for its membership.
How you view these benefits/risks may well depend on how you stand in life as an individual/organisation.
As you so eloquently state you can live by slogans. On the whole more the domain of despots.
Nowt wrong with some constructive debate and positive criticism. Or do the people you work and live with get treated to a healthy dose of rhetoric when they raise an issue?
FD
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So the PFA board is down! So Bl@@dy what? Plenty more BB's including this one isn’t there? If I was with the PFA hierarchy I would chuck out the BB for keeps. With all the bitching going on, I think that the PFA and mankind is better off without BB's judging by the total kiddy cr@p posted on them. Why should the PFA spend money for the benefit of those intent on bringing it into disrepute?