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JB wrote "Look the PFA is being run by a group of idoits who have created handy we numbers for themselves.
If any other company was run by such it would go bust in a few months"
JB - am just a bit confused now about who the idiot is? The PFA is not a company it is an association run by unsalaried volunteers. As for handy we (sic) numbers - most of the NC and EC spend several hours unpaid hours a week on Association business.
Quite certain though, who is a muppet! If you have missed the point of this, drop me a PM with your phone number and I'll happily give you a call and talk you through the intracacies of the governance model of the PFA.
Stik
If any other company was run by such it would go bust in a few months"
JB - am just a bit confused now about who the idiot is? The PFA is not a company it is an association run by unsalaried volunteers. As for handy we (sic) numbers - most of the NC and EC spend several hours unpaid hours a week on Association business.
Quite certain though, who is a muppet! If you have missed the point of this, drop me a PM with your phone number and I'll happily give you a call and talk you through the intracacies of the governance model of the PFA.
Stik
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"If Pprune would allow it, a running 'PFA' thread on this forum would be much better IMHO. Ordinary members could discuss things freely AND not have the committee types and their awestruck groupies wading in whenever someone has the audacity to dare suggest the top brass are doing something wrong."
Top idea but it won't work while the PFA VIPs and their hangers on stand by this stupid notion nobody's entitled to say they think the EC are doing anything wrong or could do anything better unless their prepared to stand for election themselves.
This idea ordinary members of an organisation aren't allowed to say anything critical is potty and very convenient for the 'important' types to stifle any criticism.
Top idea but it won't work while the PFA VIPs and their hangers on stand by this stupid notion nobody's entitled to say they think the EC are doing anything wrong or could do anything better unless their prepared to stand for election themselves.
This idea ordinary members of an organisation aren't allowed to say anything critical is potty and very convenient for the 'important' types to stifle any criticism.
As somebody of mild public notoriety in the GA world, I simply won't post anything other than some very bland statements in a non-anonymous forum, I can't afford to. If or when the PFA noticeboard comes back if as-threatened it's going to be real-names only, they'll have to live without me - as would Pprune if that happened.
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Yes, G, but we all know who you are, don't we 
My worry with the PFA wasn't that the committee (unpaid) says "put up or shut up"; it was that the outgoing and highly respected bosswallah reckoned he needed to write to me to tell me things aren't right.
As some geezer in olden times writ, "A house divided against itself cannot stand".
My worry with the PFA wasn't that the committee (unpaid) says "put up or shut up"; it was that the outgoing and highly respected bosswallah reckoned he needed to write to me to tell me things aren't right.
As some geezer in olden times writ, "A house divided against itself cannot stand".
Ah, but the fact is that if I post criticising anybody in my real name of Lord Brabazon, it causes all sorts of fuss - whilst if posting under an alias, then people may well guess who I am, but can't take heed of the fact - it's only the words that count, not who said them.
Surely however, in this day and age, a house divided against itself is a healthy democracy? Does Pprune suffer because people publically criticise Danny? Does anybody stop voting Tory because they criticise the government? (possibly for other reasons, but not that one anyway).
G
Surely however, in this day and age, a house divided against itself is a healthy democracy? Does Pprune suffer because people publically criticise Danny? Does anybody stop voting Tory because they criticise the government? (possibly for other reasons, but not that one anyway).
G
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To expand upon a previous post to make sure that I have managed to get my thoughts over in a way that cannot be misconstrued....
I am very aware that the PFA does have serious issues that need to be addressed. Bitching and sniping don't help - if you want to see change then do something to evoke change!
Join a strut, let your NC rep know how you'd address the issues. Canvass an EC member - contact him, full details are available within every PF. Contact HQ, do something constructive, bitching on a BB that makes up part of the PFA's electronic shop-front to the world really does nothing to enhance the image of the PFA.
GtE - you do yourself a disservice, notwithstanding the fact that I know who you are, M'Lord, your posts (across pprune & the pfa bb) are generally useful, informative and timely! They are also brief, clear and pretty concise.
Stik
I am very aware that the PFA does have serious issues that need to be addressed. Bitching and sniping don't help - if you want to see change then do something to evoke change!
Join a strut, let your NC rep know how you'd address the issues. Canvass an EC member - contact him, full details are available within every PF. Contact HQ, do something constructive, bitching on a BB that makes up part of the PFA's electronic shop-front to the world really does nothing to enhance the image of the PFA.
GtE - you do yourself a disservice, notwithstanding the fact that I know who you are, M'Lord, your posts (across pprune & the pfa bb) are generally useful, informative and timely! They are also brief, clear and pretty concise.
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When the chairman can at a whim without the EC or NC even being informed, suspend the chieff engineer it tells us all that the PFA is run by paid staff at the office and if they could they would even delete this thread
JB
JB
GtE - you do yourself a disservice, notwithstanding the fact that I know who you are, M'Lord, your posts (across pprune & the pfa bb) are generally useful, informative and timely! They are also brief, clear and pretty concise.
G
N.B. As I recall it was the Chief Inspector, not the Chief Engineer who was suspended by the (then!) chairman. And also not informed was the CAA, who weren't best impressed about a key member of a delegated organisation being sent home without their knowledge either.
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Of course you are right it was the chief inspector, But when his lawyer got on the ball he was soon re-instated
But then no one knows anything about this
Just like the Adams case when the pfa helped the caa to build a case against a pfa inspector in N Ireland only to find the main witnesses (another pfa inspector and a member) lied to the caa in statements to get the case to court and then lied in the crown court only to have the charges withdrawn by the caa after 8 days and 450K spent in costs.
Even the evidence was not secured by the pfa as had been requested by the caa.
Did I mention I thought the ass was run by idoits.
JB
But then no one knows anything about this
Just like the Adams case when the pfa helped the caa to build a case against a pfa inspector in N Ireland only to find the main witnesses (another pfa inspector and a member) lied to the caa in statements to get the case to court and then lied in the crown court only to have the charges withdrawn by the caa after 8 days and 450K spent in costs.
Even the evidence was not secured by the pfa as had been requested by the caa.
Did I mention I thought the ass was run by idoits.
JB
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And how long do you think you would last if you berated the management of PPRuNe? I would suggest that it would be for a lot shorter time than the PFA have endured abuse! If everybody uses the PFA board responsibly then it has a chance of survival.
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Pinga
Just what are you saying??
The CEO told a lie on the BB to save face and it backfired on him.
The PFA has been run like a bad youth club and those of us who "were" members were told to shut up.
Some of us were told we would be put out of the ass and we could not then own an another homebuilt.
They then close the BB for weeks and bann non members because people ask a few searching questions.
And you defend them??
JB
Just what are you saying??
The CEO told a lie on the BB to save face and it backfired on him.
The PFA has been run like a bad youth club and those of us who "were" members were told to shut up.
Some of us were told we would be put out of the ass and we could not then own an another homebuilt.
They then close the BB for weeks and bann non members because people ask a few searching questions.
And you defend them??
JB
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DamienB
You're right. Posts do occasionally 'disappear' here. Moderators remove posts if people flout the rules. eg By trying to use PPRuNe to promote and/or advertise their own business ventures without paying our (very modest) advertising charges.
But, of course, you know all about that.
However, we don't remove posts just because they're silly so don't worry, your post above won't 'vanish'.
Heliport
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You're right. Posts do occasionally 'disappear' here. Moderators remove posts if people flout the rules. eg By trying to use PPRuNe to promote and/or advertise their own business ventures without paying our (very modest) advertising charges.
But, of course, you know all about that.
However, we don't remove posts just because they're silly so don't worry, your post above won't 'vanish'.
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