BA Strike - Your Thoughts & Questions III
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This is the last word I am going to say on this subject.
I AM NOT ASKING OR WANTING TO WEAR THE HAT.!!!
What I am saying is that uniform standards should be STANDARD and UNIFORM.
I was just pointing out, that, the having of two separate standards was actually causing many crew, that have not striked and always been loyal, to feel like they are no longer valued by BA. It is also causing distress to a great many new joining crew.
I have at NO TIME said that non strikers should have the hat and strikers should not.
I have, and always do, give the best service possible. So do thousands of BA cabin crew, strikers and non-strikers alike.
Some of the posts on here actually make me wonder if all of you actually fly on BA flights. Some of you make it sound as if ALL BA cabin crew are horrible to our customers and in my daily life, I don't see that at all. I fly regularly with loads of Gold card holder that love BA cabin crew and are very loyal to BA as a company, many of whom I am on first name terms with.
I am not actually against Mixed Fleet and never have posted as such. I do worry that some will struggle living on the current package as a main crew member but as many have said, that is their choice. I personally know many that have gone for promotion as CSM and have recommended them to do so and I would always be very welcoming to any new crew.
Could some of you now stop having a go at me personally because apart from making the mistake, of explaining my feelings of how it feels to see new crew being treated differently, and this was in direct response to a post on here, about a post I made on the CC forum, I have done nothing wrong.
P.S. Thanks very much to those that have been supportive to me. x
I AM NOT ASKING OR WANTING TO WEAR THE HAT.!!!
What I am saying is that uniform standards should be STANDARD and UNIFORM.
I was just pointing out, that, the having of two separate standards was actually causing many crew, that have not striked and always been loyal, to feel like they are no longer valued by BA. It is also causing distress to a great many new joining crew.
I have at NO TIME said that non strikers should have the hat and strikers should not.
I have, and always do, give the best service possible. So do thousands of BA cabin crew, strikers and non-strikers alike.
Some of the posts on here actually make me wonder if all of you actually fly on BA flights. Some of you make it sound as if ALL BA cabin crew are horrible to our customers and in my daily life, I don't see that at all. I fly regularly with loads of Gold card holder that love BA cabin crew and are very loyal to BA as a company, many of whom I am on first name terms with.
I am not actually against Mixed Fleet and never have posted as such. I do worry that some will struggle living on the current package as a main crew member but as many have said, that is their choice. I personally know many that have gone for promotion as CSM and have recommended them to do so and I would always be very welcoming to any new crew.
Could some of you now stop having a go at me personally because apart from making the mistake, of explaining my feelings of how it feels to see new crew being treated differently, and this was in direct response to a post on here, about a post I made on the CC forum, I have done nothing wrong.
P.S. Thanks very much to those that have been supportive to me. x
A strike song for the SLF??
Neptunus Rex's comment about songs made me think. (OK, not a lot). Sadly, the rugby hasn't started on the tv yet.
The SLF don't have a song for this dispute. Maybe we should.
Here's a very early first draft - unfortunately, our across the pond colleagues might not get it, as it is, I believe, a very British sort of song. AND - the scanning is pathetic.
Any one else fancy a go at composing the SLF song?
She was a non-striker, but she was honest,
Victim of Bassa CSDs.
First they fleeced her,
Then they chucked her.
When she'd had a claim to make.
(Chorus)
It's the same the whole world over,
It's the non-strikers what gets the blame.
It's the branch what gets the money.
Ain't it all a bleedin' shame?
Need a verse about being left in her room?
Need a verse about hats?
Need a verse about being sent to Coventry?
Need a verse about their love for TW and WW?
The SLF don't have a song for this dispute. Maybe we should.
Here's a very early first draft - unfortunately, our across the pond colleagues might not get it, as it is, I believe, a very British sort of song. AND - the scanning is pathetic.
Any one else fancy a go at composing the SLF song?
She was a non-striker, but she was honest,
Victim of Bassa CSDs.
First they fleeced her,
Then they chucked her.
When she'd had a claim to make.
(Chorus)
It's the same the whole world over,
It's the non-strikers what gets the blame.
It's the branch what gets the money.
Ain't it all a bleedin' shame?
Need a verse about being left in her room?
Need a verse about hats?
Need a verse about being sent to Coventry?
Need a verse about their love for TW and WW?
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how can they prove a substantial reason
As BA have what they need at the moment in terms of savings, I would be really quite surprised if they were to use SOSR, but it is important to note that a substantial reason could quite simply be to end the dispute.
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a substantial reason could quite simply be to end the dispute.
I am still of the opinion that BA won't go that route, for the other reasons I said.
It was a hypothetical situation anyway, and if, hypothetically, BA could just offer the terms signed up to by the non union CC, to specific current contract groups within BA, ie LHR WW and EF, then I would consider they might go that route.......hypothetically
I still think the Union is using the fear of enforced MF contracts within CC to bolster their own power over CC, whilst no more expecting it to happen than I am.
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We will not tolerate users bullying others into what forum/thread they should post on. The offending posts have been removed and the user involved is having a few days off.
This thread is open to all to post on.
This thread is open to all to post on.
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Safety Concerns AKA Duncan H - Objectivity ?
From your post 644 of 11th November - Now this is Objectivity !!
"you can all say what you want it makes no difference. Until Bassa members either hand in their membership cards or call for a vote of no confidence in the leadership, everything is fine and dandy.
I would like to tend to my tomatoes but I am too busy preparing for a xmas strike."
I must admit that your above message does encapsulate very nicely the conundrum that faces the Bassa members - their chance of being able to get a concerted call for a vote of no confidence in you is zero - and with the few reps left, it is unlikely that any rep or number of them, would be allowed to canvas for a vote - plus of course some members still believe that you are actually looking after their interests!!. You obviously feel that you have a hand of aces, and as you say, "EVERYTHING IS FINE AND DANDY". And of course - the money keeps rolling in.
So the only way that things are going to change, is to convince your members to leave - hopefully that process will have now started given your response.
"you can all say what you want it makes no difference. Until Bassa members either hand in their membership cards or call for a vote of no confidence in the leadership, everything is fine and dandy.
I would like to tend to my tomatoes but I am too busy preparing for a xmas strike."
I must admit that your above message does encapsulate very nicely the conundrum that faces the Bassa members - their chance of being able to get a concerted call for a vote of no confidence in you is zero - and with the few reps left, it is unlikely that any rep or number of them, would be allowed to canvas for a vote - plus of course some members still believe that you are actually looking after their interests!!. You obviously feel that you have a hand of aces, and as you say, "EVERYTHING IS FINE AND DANDY". And of course - the money keeps rolling in.
So the only way that things are going to change, is to convince your members to leave - hopefully that process will have now started given your response.
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let cabin crew have their say!
i'm a bit late on this one, but fully agree Betty girl and others like her - even MissM - should be welcome here. it is the variety of opinion here that makes the discussions so readable and we would be the poorer if we did not get the depth of feeling from the CC themselves. added to which they have access to info we mere observers cannot reach. and it should be remembered that the moderator here works to far more civilised standards than those we hear about on the BASSA forums.
i am dismayed at the repeated references to petty but vindictive bullying mentioned by others on the CC forum. even if some of the victims are delicate or over-sensitive flowers, it does make me think there is something endemic here that needs to be sorted before this whole sorry mess can be finally declared over. i wonder whether there are psychological assessments that BA could and should be using to determine fitness for CC - not just at the outset but periodically throughout employment?
finally a big 'thank you' to Gay Gourmet for the two liner on the CC forum: it lit up my sunday morning!
i am dismayed at the repeated references to petty but vindictive bullying mentioned by others on the CC forum. even if some of the victims are delicate or over-sensitive flowers, it does make me think there is something endemic here that needs to be sorted before this whole sorry mess can be finally declared over. i wonder whether there are psychological assessments that BA could and should be using to determine fitness for CC - not just at the outset but periodically throughout employment?
finally a big 'thank you' to Gay Gourmet for the two liner on the CC forum: it lit up my sunday morning!
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Rethymon - MissM was active on this discussion thread until Churchinchow had a go at her - which he has occassionally continued to do since she left the thread. Another member also said to her return to the other thread.
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Miss M, as well as Betty Girl, understand that they are free to post on this thread and that many welcome the exchanges.
That does not mean that there can't be disagreement with their statements.
I should hardly be expected to tippy toe around some of Miss M's rather extreme and bizarre views simply because she is militant Cabin Crew.
That does not mean that there can't be disagreement with their statements.
I should hardly be expected to tippy toe around some of Miss M's rather extreme and bizarre views simply because she is militant Cabin Crew.
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From Yellow Pen on that other thread:
I should think, that in such a situation, their employer would be fully justified in getting rid of them. Sack the malcontents and await the tribunals. In the doubtful situation that the employer lost all the cases, it would take years to resolve, and the cost would still be less than their continued employment - in more ways than one.
Don't BASSA realise this?
...todays employment situation in IFCE in which a sizeable element are trapped in a job they dislike with an employer they despise because they at least have the sense to realise nobody will employ them on such lucrative terms elsewhere.
Don't BASSA realise this?
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Just a quick Hello!
I am BA short haul crew... Love my job, love meeting all you lot when you are onboard...
I was a member of BASSA till November last year. I did, at first when this all started to brew, go along with what was being said and think that many of the points were valid. After the intention to strike over Christmas was made known, I resigned from the union. I just could not be part of something that would have ruined so many peoples time with family and friends. I then started to question what was happening and at that point decided I could no longer be part of it.
I made my decision to leave the union and as part of that, not strike. I am pleased that I made my decision and have stood by it since. I feel sorry for the vast majority of crew who have been lead up the garden path. We, the crew, are nothing more than pawns in a game between Ms. Malone, Mr. Holly and Mr. Walsh, and I do not want to be one any more.
I adore my job and worked hard to get the job with BA. I missed having face to face contact with the public in my last job and now absolutely love working onboard, and even in the terminals when walking to aircraft, I often will stop and ask if someone needs help when they look a bit lost.
I just want to get on with things. I wish Unite/BASSA would sort them selves out and stop holding us all to ransom, not just the other crew, but everyone else in the company, and the public who fly with us.
TS
I am BA short haul crew... Love my job, love meeting all you lot when you are onboard...
I was a member of BASSA till November last year. I did, at first when this all started to brew, go along with what was being said and think that many of the points were valid. After the intention to strike over Christmas was made known, I resigned from the union. I just could not be part of something that would have ruined so many peoples time with family and friends. I then started to question what was happening and at that point decided I could no longer be part of it.
I made my decision to leave the union and as part of that, not strike. I am pleased that I made my decision and have stood by it since. I feel sorry for the vast majority of crew who have been lead up the garden path. We, the crew, are nothing more than pawns in a game between Ms. Malone, Mr. Holly and Mr. Walsh, and I do not want to be one any more.
I adore my job and worked hard to get the job with BA. I missed having face to face contact with the public in my last job and now absolutely love working onboard, and even in the terminals when walking to aircraft, I often will stop and ask if someone needs help when they look a bit lost.
I just want to get on with things. I wish Unite/BASSA would sort them selves out and stop holding us all to ransom, not just the other crew, but everyone else in the company, and the public who fly with us.
TS
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Tray Surfer:
These must be difficult times for you.
Please understand that the vast majority of SLF recognize that their is diversity in Cabin Crew and truly admire those that are behaving honorably.
I would suggest that "you are getting on with it", as is BA. BASSA has become more of an interesting side issue while BA and its employees look towards the future.
It is simply unfortunate that BASSA has worked as hard as possible to diminish the reputation of all cabin crew. I can tell you that your frequent business flyers do, for the most part, understand that there is a difference.
Can't imagine what this is like for you dealing with the situation from the inside but you have all positive thoughts I can send..not that that's worth much.
These must be difficult times for you.
Please understand that the vast majority of SLF recognize that their is diversity in Cabin Crew and truly admire those that are behaving honorably.
I would suggest that "you are getting on with it", as is BA. BASSA has become more of an interesting side issue while BA and its employees look towards the future.
It is simply unfortunate that BASSA has worked as hard as possible to diminish the reputation of all cabin crew. I can tell you that your frequent business flyers do, for the most part, understand that there is a difference.
Can't imagine what this is like for you dealing with the situation from the inside but you have all positive thoughts I can send..not that that's worth much.
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From that other thread:
From gingerminge (great handle, if that is the right word.)
Read Tray Surfer's post #720 on that other thread. You might then begin to comprehend that you and your mates need to lift your game. Three years experience in your profession is in abundance, and merely means that BA can be more discriminating in who they select to serve your customers. The BASSA CSDs days are numbered, and it is their own fault for being too greedy, so arrogant and utterly intransigent.
From gingerminge (great handle, if that is the right word.)
I honestly believe the legacy fleet as it is now refered (sic) to will be around for quite a while yet.
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From the "Other Pplace" ...
And best wishes to Tray Surfer, who seems to have a firm grasp on reality.
In simple terms which hopefully even the most entrenched die hard union member will understand...having operated a flight this week with my crew being new fleet....without hesitation I can say that atmosphere/enthusiasm/professionalism of the whole new fleet crew was exemplary.
ALL highly experienced and motivated ex VS/BMI
A refreshing change and looking forward to BUD and the rest:
ALL highly experienced and motivated ex VS/BMI
A refreshing change and looking forward to BUD and the rest:
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All our posts will drop to zero once this saga is over
Diplome has 99% of its posts on this thread and all pro BA. Very revealing