BA Strike - Your Thoughts & Questions III
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Is Duncan Holley, just Willie Walsh in disguise
Just a thought ... after all, have they ever been seen in the same room together? There seems to have been a very convenient arrangement where by DH stays in charge at BASSA while not working for BA. And if you look at what WW has been able to achieve with DHs assistance in terms of the introduction of New Fleet and significantly reduced BASSA membership then I'm starting to get suspicious.
Perhaps the final confirmation is from BGs "rumour" on the CC thread that DH has said that if you didn't vote for strike action then you should leave BASSA. Hmmm ... with only 5700 members, it would be possible to de-recognise BASSA .... I think your secret is out Duncan .... just wonder what BASSA did to you to make you so desperate to destroy it
Perhaps the final confirmation is from BGs "rumour" on the CC thread that DH has said that if you didn't vote for strike action then you should leave BASSA. Hmmm ... with only 5700 members, it would be possible to de-recognise BASSA .... I think your secret is out Duncan .... just wonder what BASSA did to you to make you so desperate to destroy it
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BASSA's time-warp
As with so many other issues, BASSA - the cabin crew union - appears to have something of a yearning for its past days of glory when it comes to its website.
See: http://www.bassa.co.uk/BASSA/downloa...cationform.pdf.
I am more than willing to be corrected - nay, castigated -by the faithful disciples but surely the T&G was subsumed into Untied rather more than a year past?
NB: Perhaps the BASSA website manager might usefully use a spellchecker if and when corrections are made to this page; see:
Those comedians appear unfit to run a chip shop - let alone to play a crucial part in the lives and livings of their benighted members!
See: http://www.bassa.co.uk/BASSA/downloa...cationform.pdf.
I am more than willing to be corrected - nay, castigated -by the faithful disciples but surely the T&G was subsumed into Untied rather more than a year past?
NB: Perhaps the BASSA website manager might usefully use a spellchecker if and when corrections are made to this page; see:
For most benefits members must have been paid up for at least 39 weeks and be less than six weeks in areas.
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Well they certainly need to chop the bit about taking part in meetings with Rod Eddington !
But then again, perhaps that's the reason they aren't making any progress in their negotiations
But then again, perhaps that's the reason they aren't making any progress in their negotiations
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On the "airline staff only" thread the following statement is attributed to Duncan Holley:
"I would like to send this message to everyone who has either left BASSA, voted NO, or to a lesser extent not voted. You have been given your say and the majority has spoken. If you have any integrity you should accept Bill Francis's offer straight away because your actions and votes are a tacit acceptance of what BA propose."
This is bizarre for the reasons given by posters on that thread, but does it also mean that the union is unilaterally removing the restriction that only those who had left the union at the time of the offer can accept it?
Would anyone in BA care to raise this question, maybe on that thread, on PCCC or any other forum or even with BA management?
"I would like to send this message to everyone who has either left BASSA, voted NO, or to a lesser extent not voted. You have been given your say and the majority has spoken. If you have any integrity you should accept Bill Francis's offer straight away because your actions and votes are a tacit acceptance of what BA propose."
This is bizarre for the reasons given by posters on that thread, but does it also mean that the union is unilaterally removing the restriction that only those who had left the union at the time of the offer can accept it?
Would anyone in BA care to raise this question, maybe on that thread, on PCCC or any other forum or even with BA management?
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Someone must have have some record somewhere of how many people went on strike last time as a % of those who voted for the previous strike.
This should give an indication as to the expected striking numbers next time around
This should give an indication as to the expected striking numbers next time around
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just suppose...
... that short of an injunction or terminating employment, BA stopped deducting union subs from pay for BASSA members?
with the apathy we've witnessed in the ballot and the invitation to leave if you voted 'NO', how many CC would take the initiative to fill in a direct debit or standing order?
they only need to cite computer problems or discrepancies in the paper work......
with the apathy we've witnessed in the ballot and the invitation to leave if you voted 'NO', how many CC would take the initiative to fill in a direct debit or standing order?
they only need to cite computer problems or discrepancies in the paper work......
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BA have no reason to get bogged down in such silliness - leave the playground antics to the strikers.
Judging by how they have played this so far, I suspect they will play a waiting game and let BASSA \ striking cabin crew make as many of their own mistakes as possible. I certainly don't think BA will go for an injunction. It wouldn't benefit them to drag this out any longer. If strike action does take place I would suspect:
a) Sue Unite for losses on basis that strike is related to previous strike. This approach is a gamble with the courts but victory would mean it would be "easier" to sack whichever strikers they wished on the basis the Court would have ruled that the strike was "not valid". Allows sackings to be due to Union incompetence rather than BA bullying. As others have said, this will greatly sour the relationship with Unite but BA would then have room to make some compromises and build bridges directly with Unite if BASSA can be sidelined.
Or
b) See how how the strike goes. If it is poorly supported then just see it out, perhaps with targetted sackings of the "ring leaders". This is a gamble as sackings could be seen as bullying by BA rather than due to Union incompetence. Personally, I don't see BA taking this option as it potentially drags the dispute out for another 3 months and \ or opens them up to a heap of bad publicity.
It might well be Unite can somehow pull themselves back from abyss but with BASSA pushing everyone ever closer and TW having shown a complete lack of balls so far (will LM really be any better), lets hope that those cabin crew who voted for strike action are aware of the potential consequences.
Judging by how they have played this so far, I suspect they will play a waiting game and let BASSA \ striking cabin crew make as many of their own mistakes as possible. I certainly don't think BA will go for an injunction. It wouldn't benefit them to drag this out any longer. If strike action does take place I would suspect:
a) Sue Unite for losses on basis that strike is related to previous strike. This approach is a gamble with the courts but victory would mean it would be "easier" to sack whichever strikers they wished on the basis the Court would have ruled that the strike was "not valid". Allows sackings to be due to Union incompetence rather than BA bullying. As others have said, this will greatly sour the relationship with Unite but BA would then have room to make some compromises and build bridges directly with Unite if BASSA can be sidelined.
Or
b) See how how the strike goes. If it is poorly supported then just see it out, perhaps with targetted sackings of the "ring leaders". This is a gamble as sackings could be seen as bullying by BA rather than due to Union incompetence. Personally, I don't see BA taking this option as it potentially drags the dispute out for another 3 months and \ or opens them up to a heap of bad publicity.
It might well be Unite can somehow pull themselves back from abyss but with BASSA pushing everyone ever closer and TW having shown a complete lack of balls so far (will LM really be any better), lets hope that those cabin crew who voted for strike action are aware of the potential consequences.
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Thanks so much for that download.
http://redirectingat.com/?id=42X4874...ns-iii-85.html
I've literally wet myself reading what wonderful stuff the Bassa reps do and have done in the past. Its so obvious its all been written by the greatest fictional writer since Hans Christian Anderson, the one and only DH
Thanks so much for that download.
http://redirectingat.com/?id=42X4874...ns-iii-85.html
I've literally wet myself reading what wonderful stuff the Bassa reps do and have done in the past. Its so obvious its all been written by the greatest fictional writer since Hans Christian Anderson, the one and only DH
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I've literally wet myself reading what wonderful stuff the Bassa reps do and have done in the past. Its so obvious its all been written by the greatest fictional writer since Hans Christian Anderson, the one and only DH
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I really am dreading this next passage in the history of trade unionism. I believe that this situation will lead to a change in legislation. I actually think that it is needed, but not how I believe the current coalition will act.
If there was meaningful consultation around the right to strike, then adjusting the figures around more than 50%+1 and the mandate of the complete workforce, rather than members, would be a compromise worth exploring.
However, this dispute has not aided the process in any favour other than business.
I shall now put on my hard hat and await incoming
If there was meaningful consultation around the right to strike, then adjusting the figures around more than 50%+1 and the mandate of the complete workforce, rather than members, would be a compromise worth exploring.
However, this dispute has not aided the process in any favour other than business.
I shall now put on my hard hat and await incoming
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If not a change in legislation it has led to the unions walking on egg shells to comply strictly with the law.
The personalising of the dispute by the unite branch rather than deal with the issues in a professional manner has caused the biggest threat to unions for many years
The personalising of the dispute by the unite branch rather than deal with the issues in a professional manner has caused the biggest threat to unions for many years
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BTW, the proprietor of my local chippie has told me in the most forceful of terms that he wants no truck with any employee or representative of BASSA, now or at any time in the future.
He says he has enough slippery fish to deal with.
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West lakes,
I think Unite have not acted that badly after all they did agree an offer with BA and ask Bassa to put it to the membership.
It is Bassa and Amicus that have behaved badly and let down Unite particularly just before the first Christmas by springing strike dates on Woodly and Simpson and recently by not giving crew the chance to vote on the actual offer.
I agree it is a very sad day for unions because if DH continues like this us cabin crew will have NO representation at all.
I think Unite have not acted that badly after all they did agree an offer with BA and ask Bassa to put it to the membership.
It is Bassa and Amicus that have behaved badly and let down Unite particularly just before the first Christmas by springing strike dates on Woodly and Simpson and recently by not giving crew the chance to vote on the actual offer.
I agree it is a very sad day for unions because if DH continues like this us cabin crew will have NO representation at all.
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Absolutely and the Clive Anderson radio programme underlined that reality.
I hope that those who plan union strategy are looking forward, rather than to the past too. Much was made of the word partnership, by Amicus over the last decade. That appears to have been at least called to question, but more likely, disregarded because of this dispute. There is a reason Mr Walsh is paid what he is and he has earn't it well. The branch in question has lost many of it's officers. Those are the facts.
I just cannot see any successful outcome because of the numbers returned and that the new contract is already in place. I really hope that the current reps are better and brighter than me, because I have no idea what I would do now, if I was in their shoes. Keep the faith is a massive statement.
I hope that those who plan union strategy are looking forward, rather than to the past too. Much was made of the word partnership, by Amicus over the last decade. That appears to have been at least called to question, but more likely, disregarded because of this dispute. There is a reason Mr Walsh is paid what he is and he has earn't it well. The branch in question has lost many of it's officers. Those are the facts.
I just cannot see any successful outcome because of the numbers returned and that the new contract is already in place. I really hope that the current reps are better and brighter than me, because I have no idea what I would do now, if I was in their shoes. Keep the faith is a massive statement.