BA Strike - Your Thoughts & Questions III
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Given that BA returned Staff Travel as a gesture of goodwill, whats the chance of them removing it again as this offer is not being accepted?
And I think BA are probably laughing about it.
No need to return ST with seniority. Most staff with no MTP - so less potential cost. Most staff with no pay rise - reduced cost. None of which will change while this dispute runs on. So cost savings to BA.
Any lost staff would be replaced with Mixed Fleet - cheaper again.
BA have gained all that. What have the strikers gained?
And I think BA are probably laughing about it.
No need to return ST with seniority. Most staff with no MTP - so less potential cost. Most staff with no pay rise - reduced cost. None of which will change while this dispute runs on. So cost savings to BA.
Any lost staff would be replaced with Mixed Fleet - cheaper again.
BA have gained all that. What have the strikers gained?
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to vote or not to vote
if Unite are withdrawing the ballot, it will be a victory for the (mostly sacked) reps over the members. it's difficult to read it any other way and going on past performance, Unite are gambling on the membership being supine enough to accept it.
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Unite are gambling on the membership being supine enough to accept it.
Bassa members should be asking "Why am I not able to vote to reject the offer?" at the very least.
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what BA do now...
I think BA can sit back and watch for now, and repeat their message about "100% long haul to fly" should any strike be forthcoming.
They have already won so much from this dispute, and they have two jokers in their pack:
1) If all staff keep their staff travel per the last agreement (despite the union reneging upon it), then how many strikers, when it comes to the crunch, will prepared to stomach a further strike, purely to continue the campaign, when they know that another strike will result in their ST being removed again - no "5 minute" return folks!
2) Unprotected Strike. Quite what the union will ballot members on is unclear, as so much has been covered in previous private negotiations, and in the public domain, that it will be difficult to substantiate a new protected reason to ballot. If BA call the strike unprotected, and commence proceedings accordingly, how many staff will be silly enough to actually strike and leave their careers in the hands of the lawyers?
....especailly based upon BASSA's recent history in the courts
They have already won so much from this dispute, and they have two jokers in their pack:
1) If all staff keep their staff travel per the last agreement (despite the union reneging upon it), then how many strikers, when it comes to the crunch, will prepared to stomach a further strike, purely to continue the campaign, when they know that another strike will result in their ST being removed again - no "5 minute" return folks!
2) Unprotected Strike. Quite what the union will ballot members on is unclear, as so much has been covered in previous private negotiations, and in the public domain, that it will be difficult to substantiate a new protected reason to ballot. If BA call the strike unprotected, and commence proceedings accordingly, how many staff will be silly enough to actually strike and leave their careers in the hands of the lawyers?
....especailly based upon BASSA's recent history in the courts
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Presumably the Holly and the Ivy will now see us through two more Christmases.
On another note, I see that a prominent poster on the other thread has upped sticks from her previous domicile and now resides in Canterbury.
Is this because it is closer to LGW or because of the superior facilities of the local cathedral?
The way things are going for the BASSA die-hards they are certainly in need of divine intervention.
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The return of staff travel and long distance commuting
We have not heard a single peep out of that erstwhile long-distance commuter and prolific poster, Ava Hannah from South Africa.
Is she still (allegedly) spending thousands of Rands to get to work every month, or has she returned to the recesses of BASSA spin doctors' imaginations?
I suspect the latter.
Is she still (allegedly) spending thousands of Rands to get to work every month, or has she returned to the recesses of BASSA spin doctors' imaginations?
I suspect the latter.
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I suppose she just might have upped sticks to Canterbury in New Zealand? Oh silly me, she has not got her staff travel concession back yet!
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Well it certainly doesn't stand for Marple, as she shows no ability to rationalise events a come to a logical conclusion.
... but then again, maybe I am wrong, after all it is a work of fiction
... but then again, maybe I am wrong, after all it is a work of fiction
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On Flyertalk Speedbird218 quotes something from the BA Intranet - scroll down to posting 1057
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the airline says
"We believe that British Airways cabin crew deserve the opportunity to vote on these proposals, which address all their concerns and represent a fair resolution of this dispute.
"The way forward is for all sections of Unite to put aside their internal divisions and allow crew to have a direct say on their own future."
"We believe that British Airways cabin crew deserve the opportunity to vote on these proposals, which address all their concerns and represent a fair resolution of this dispute.
"The way forward is for all sections of Unite to put aside their internal divisions and allow crew to have a direct say on their own future."
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The Bunfight Emerges
With all three Union elements, Unite, Amicus/CC89, BASSA, now agreeing, in the statements made in the last few days, we can clearly see that the Cabin Crew/Union Members, have no relevance or influence in any way to any of the issues with BA that the unions may have, real or imagined, or their intended actions.
Also it would appear that any reps still existing or involved, probably only have any voice if they agree with those that are driving the unions strategy, if that is not too grand a description.
The influences that now appear to be the driving forces in this conflict are;
TW, whose ambition is probably to retire with the crowing glory of politically (& financially) owning the labour party and co-ordinating nationwide strikes to bring down the coalition government. (No - crowing is not a spelling mistake!). Needs to go along, under pressure, with the other elements, otherwise seen to be weak and won't win his accolade.
New Unite General Secretary - currently infighting between half a dozen wouldbe's, including ancient warriors from the Coal, Motor and Docks industry, with a pedigree of wreaking industries and lives in the name of power, versus the Hammer & Sickle Marxists with the same ambitions. Personal power.
Hammer & Sickle boys, in the form of Jerry Hicks - seems to be gaining quite a base in various branches of Unite and possibly elsewhere, including Amicus/CC89, on what seems to be a base of pure rhetoric and has no relevance to/or intention of relying on/or needing members votes for taking action. Wants a strike - political power.
BASSA Branch Secretary and Chairman - desperately hanging onto power in order to keep their income coming in, until they can retire with a union pension at the earliest possible moment, appear not to place any importance on the needs and wishes of their members/reps and have no intention of arriving at any form of agreement with BA. Started as normal power demand now appears to be personal gain, but hates WW - will sabotage any attempt.
Reminds of McBeth, Blasted Heath and Witches Brew.
And still members of BASSA want/demand a strike!!!
Also it would appear that any reps still existing or involved, probably only have any voice if they agree with those that are driving the unions strategy, if that is not too grand a description.
The influences that now appear to be the driving forces in this conflict are;
TW, whose ambition is probably to retire with the crowing glory of politically (& financially) owning the labour party and co-ordinating nationwide strikes to bring down the coalition government. (No - crowing is not a spelling mistake!). Needs to go along, under pressure, with the other elements, otherwise seen to be weak and won't win his accolade.
New Unite General Secretary - currently infighting between half a dozen wouldbe's, including ancient warriors from the Coal, Motor and Docks industry, with a pedigree of wreaking industries and lives in the name of power, versus the Hammer & Sickle Marxists with the same ambitions. Personal power.
Hammer & Sickle boys, in the form of Jerry Hicks - seems to be gaining quite a base in various branches of Unite and possibly elsewhere, including Amicus/CC89, on what seems to be a base of pure rhetoric and has no relevance to/or intention of relying on/or needing members votes for taking action. Wants a strike - political power.
BASSA Branch Secretary and Chairman - desperately hanging onto power in order to keep their income coming in, until they can retire with a union pension at the earliest possible moment, appear not to place any importance on the needs and wishes of their members/reps and have no intention of arriving at any form of agreement with BA. Started as normal power demand now appears to be personal gain, but hates WW - will sabotage any attempt.
Reminds of McBeth, Blasted Heath and Witches Brew.
And still members of BASSA want/demand a strike!!!
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Well it certainly doesn't stand for Marple, as she shows no ability to rationalise events a come to a logical conclusion.
... but then again, maybe I am wrong, after all it is a work of fiction
... but then again, maybe I am wrong, after all it is a work of fiction
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and you still consider this discussion to be objective?
are unions not actually run by the members?
If bassa members are so adamant that their leadership has got it wrong won't they vote with their feet?
This unfortunately remains in the most part an anti bassa, anti union thread.
are unions not actually run by the members?
If bassa members are so adamant that their leadership has got it wrong won't they vote with their feet?
This unfortunately remains in the most part an anti bassa, anti union thread.
I dont think the discussion is objective SC, its clearly subjective.
Unite/BASSA/CC89 have withdrawn their members' chance of having a say in their own future.
If decrying this is anti-union then so be it.
Unite/BASSA/CC89 have withdrawn their members' chance of having a say in their own future.
If decrying this is anti-union then so be it.
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For those that are interested -
XpertHR > Article > British Airways cabin crew lose breach of contract appeal
For those of you that are itunes enabled, there is an xperthr podcast on this too.
XpertHR > Article > British Airways cabin crew lose breach of contract appeal
For those of you that are itunes enabled, there is an xperthr podcast on this too.
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You may have noticed that several thousand already have left!!
The 8-9000 members who still pay their dues are once again being denied their democratic right to vote (on a very generous BA offer) by a thoroughly discredited leadership who are hanging on by their fingertips at the edge of the precipice. Let's hope they don't take the majority of honest, hardworking decent colleagues with them.
This group of "reps" are the worst example of a union leadership looking after their own narrow interests. They are a disgrace to the whole union movement.
It is difficult to figure how they still have the support of approximately 4-500 members. Beyond belief!!
You may have noticed that several thousand already have left!!
The 8-9000 members who still pay their dues are once again being denied their democratic right to vote (on a very generous BA offer) by a thoroughly discredited leadership who are hanging on by their fingertips at the edge of the precipice. Let's hope they don't take the majority of honest, hardworking decent colleagues with them.
This group of "reps" are the worst example of a union leadership looking after their own narrow interests. They are a disgrace to the whole union movement.
It is difficult to figure how they still have the support of approximately 4-500 members. Beyond belief!!
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I should have added that the majority of comments are NOT anti union or anti BASSA, but anti the incompetent and anti-democratic leadership.
You say that the union is the members...you are absolutely right, Tell that to Holley/Malone and their acolytes.
I should have added that the majority of comments are NOT anti union or anti BASSA, but anti the incompetent and anti-democratic leadership.
You say that the union is the members...you are absolutely right, Tell that to Holley/Malone and their acolytes.