BA Strike - Your Thoughts & Questions
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How very thoughtful of the Socialist Worker:
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Union Subs
Do I understand correctly that BA deduct Unite subs from their workforce pay directly and transfer it to Unite?
If so they have accurate figures of membership and resignations from all departments. This must give an invaluable insight into the Unite support level.
What if BA decided not to do this any more, after all there must be a cost to it and cost savings need to be made? Wouldn't it cost Unite some considerable effort and money to set up all those Standing Orders/Direct Debits not to mention lost cash flow? Also how many current members would use the opportunity not to comply - lost form etc?
Perhaps only the threat of removal would focus negotiations somewhat.
If so they have accurate figures of membership and resignations from all departments. This must give an invaluable insight into the Unite support level.
What if BA decided not to do this any more, after all there must be a cost to it and cost savings need to be made? Wouldn't it cost Unite some considerable effort and money to set up all those Standing Orders/Direct Debits not to mention lost cash flow? Also how many current members would use the opportunity not to comply - lost form etc?
Perhaps only the threat of removal would focus negotiations somewhat.
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That's quite a splendid suggestion. Merely tell people that they have to make their own arrangements.
It would also probably cause those who are wavering not to bother doing it.
<evil cackle>
It would also probably cause those who are wavering not to bother doing it.
<evil cackle>
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Thanks for posting that. I will certainly use the opportunity to show "my support", though perhaps not in the way they intended.
Suggest we all do the same withot sinking to the level of the Bassaites.
Thanks for posting that. I will certainly use the opportunity to show "my support", though perhaps not in the way they intended.
Suggest we all do the same withot sinking to the level of the Bassaites.
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New Ballot
Unite say they will ballot 'on staff travel and disciplinaries'. They also say they need the new ballot to extend the legal protection period for the strikers.
But, I thought that, in the spirit of preventing strikes dragging on indefinitely, any further ballot would be invalid if deemed an extension to an unsettled dispute.
And I think Unite will have trouble there because BASSA have insisted on tagging the ST and disciplinaries onto the 'acceptable' part of the current dispute, thereby making a link. Unless they accept the deal on offer and go back to work in the meantime, I doubt they'll have much chance of making this new ballot stand up.
Unite and BA talks to resume on Friday | Business | The Guardian
But, I thought that, in the spirit of preventing strikes dragging on indefinitely, any further ballot would be invalid if deemed an extension to an unsettled dispute.
And I think Unite will have trouble there because BASSA have insisted on tagging the ST and disciplinaries onto the 'acceptable' part of the current dispute, thereby making a link. Unless they accept the deal on offer and go back to work in the meantime, I doubt they'll have much chance of making this new ballot stand up.
Unite and BA talks to resume on Friday | Business | The Guardian
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Do I understand correctly that BA deduct Unite subs from their workforce pay directly and transfer it to Unite?
If so they have accurate figures of membership and resignations from all departments. This must give an invaluable insight into the Unite support level.
What if BA decided not to do this any more, after all there must be a cost to it and cost savings need to be made? Wouldn't it cost Unite some considerable effort and money to set up all those Standing Orders/Direct Debits not to mention lost cash flow? Also how many current members would use the opportunity not to comply - lost form etc?
Perhaps only the threat of removal would focus negotiations somewhat.
If so they have accurate figures of membership and resignations from all departments. This must give an invaluable insight into the Unite support level.
What if BA decided not to do this any more, after all there must be a cost to it and cost savings need to be made? Wouldn't it cost Unite some considerable effort and money to set up all those Standing Orders/Direct Debits not to mention lost cash flow? Also how many current members would use the opportunity not to comply - lost form etc?
Perhaps only the threat of removal would focus negotiations somewhat.
DOCAS is a collective agreement and would probably be seen as contractual...
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So.............there is something slightly illogical about this next ballot to restore staff travel and overturn disciplinaries.
For discussion purposes, let's assume for a mo' that 2500 went on strike of the total 9900 or so remaining BASSA members.
Why would any of the members who came to work, did not strike and did not lose their staff travel and might even have been the subjects of harrassment, bullying and the infamous facebook finger pointing incidents by some of these same 2500 strikers, then....
.....vote to go on strike AGAIN (when they didn't strike the first time, even after the previous ballot) to give back perks and reinstate some of the 2500 they clearly opposed by coming into work and ignoring the strike???
It was one thing for them all to vote against imposition. But now Unite is asking the non-strikers to vote............against THEMSELVES!
What the ruddy heck kind of logic is Unite employing with this new rocket scientist gambit???
p.s. It also strikes me that Unite are asking non-strikers to vote "yes" also to provide employment protection for the strikers---the disappearance of which by dismissal would presumably move all of the non-strikers up the seniority lists, ST lists, more opportunities for promotion. Good move Unite. Geesh. "Vote no and get a promotion!" Hoo haw.
For discussion purposes, let's assume for a mo' that 2500 went on strike of the total 9900 or so remaining BASSA members.
Why would any of the members who came to work, did not strike and did not lose their staff travel and might even have been the subjects of harrassment, bullying and the infamous facebook finger pointing incidents by some of these same 2500 strikers, then....
.....vote to go on strike AGAIN (when they didn't strike the first time, even after the previous ballot) to give back perks and reinstate some of the 2500 they clearly opposed by coming into work and ignoring the strike???
It was one thing for them all to vote against imposition. But now Unite is asking the non-strikers to vote............against THEMSELVES!
What the ruddy heck kind of logic is Unite employing with this new rocket scientist gambit???
p.s. It also strikes me that Unite are asking non-strikers to vote "yes" also to provide employment protection for the strikers---the disappearance of which by dismissal would presumably move all of the non-strikers up the seniority lists, ST lists, more opportunities for promotion. Good move Unite. Geesh. "Vote no and get a promotion!" Hoo haw.
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I flew to the middle east this morning and passed the picket line.
What a scruffy bunch of characters, like a collection of characters from Worzel Gummidge.
They were blowing whistles and shouting at cars.
I didn't even bother to say anything back, as most of them looked deranged.
What a scruffy bunch of characters, like a collection of characters from Worzel Gummidge.
They were blowing whistles and shouting at cars.
I didn't even bother to say anything back, as most of them looked deranged.
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Who on board
I will be travelling on the 02:15 DEL LHR on the 30th, not being familiar with vageries of rostering etc can anyone tell me who will be on board? Will it be those that supported BA through this IA or can I expect to come face to face with some of the ever decreasing minority who seem hell bent on detroying BA and themselves.
Just wanted to know whether to bring choccies or not?
Just wanted to know whether to bring choccies or not?
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Quality CC?
Final 3 Greens (you must be ex-RAF)
Glad to see you appreciated the quality of the striking CC. I can only confess to seeing them on TV and wouldn't employ them to run a pig farm based on apearances.
Joking apart this is such a sad episode in the story of a great airline with a superb heritage. For goodness sake let's get rid of this rabble and re-build the company into something we can all be proud of.
PS after wrecking the futures of Messrs W & S and the BASSA leaders.
Glad to see you appreciated the quality of the striking CC. I can only confess to seeing them on TV and wouldn't employ them to run a pig farm based on apearances.
Joking apart this is such a sad episode in the story of a great airline with a superb heritage. For goodness sake let's get rid of this rabble and re-build the company into something we can all be proud of.
PS after wrecking the futures of Messrs W & S and the BASSA leaders.
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Some flying people call their houses 'Short Finals'.
I once called one of my houses 'Downwind', whereupon my neighbour threatened to call his 'Upwind', and the neighbour the other side said he would call his 'Breakwind'
Oh, how I wish this selfish strike would end!!!
I once called one of my houses 'Downwind', whereupon my neighbour threatened to call his 'Upwind', and the neighbour the other side said he would call his 'Breakwind'
Oh, how I wish this selfish strike would end!!!
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How to recognise striking/non-striking cc?
I have a similar question to Jipperty - I'll be travelling EDI-LHR on 4 June. As this is a non-strike day, I assume the crew will not include VCC, but is there any way of knowing whether they are striking or non-striking.
I'd like to thank the non-strikers.
I'm glad now that my onward connections are with Qantas. Much as I'd have liked BA, getting to London was the easy part of my itinerary and I'd hate to be worrying about the long haul sectors too.
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I'd like to thank the non-strikers.
I'm glad now that my onward connections are with Qantas. Much as I'd have liked BA, getting to London was the easy part of my itinerary and I'd hate to be worrying about the long haul sectors too.
Thanks,
LF
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Pictures
So far, the only pictures I have seen of the strikers show a poseur in a 'little douce coupé' and some generously proportioned ladies guzzling grog.
Can anybody post some authentic photos of the picket line and Bedfont to show us the numbers of people involved?
Can anybody post some authentic photos of the picket line and Bedfont to show us the numbers of people involved?
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Something I'm finding quite irritating about this strike, amongst many things obviously, is the apparent mixture of naivety and, I suspect, deliberate misinformation from cc about their salaries
The figures being thrown around when they are claiming poverty appear to be deliberately a mixture of post-tax take home amounts and figures that don't include the bulk of their earnings earnt whilst on duty
I've never heard of anyone outside of these BA stewardesses refer to their salaries in nett amounts, it's unheard of. Everyone talks about their salary in gross figures.
So when you hear people claiming they are having to survive on 12k per year, bear this in mind.
On the main thread, someone was whining that they couldn't afford to live on 27k per year. 27k per year!!!! way above average salary, this shouldn't be any particular hardship to live on, until you hear them refer to mortgages and the like, and it suddenly becomes apparent that this may just be about maintaining a lifestyle they perhaps cannot afford
Especially when it was pointed out that this 27k was TAKE HOME PAY
Laughable, it truly is. I wish more of the press attention was highlighting this
The figures being thrown around when they are claiming poverty appear to be deliberately a mixture of post-tax take home amounts and figures that don't include the bulk of their earnings earnt whilst on duty
I've never heard of anyone outside of these BA stewardesses refer to their salaries in nett amounts, it's unheard of. Everyone talks about their salary in gross figures.
So when you hear people claiming they are having to survive on 12k per year, bear this in mind.
On the main thread, someone was whining that they couldn't afford to live on 27k per year. 27k per year!!!! way above average salary, this shouldn't be any particular hardship to live on, until you hear them refer to mortgages and the like, and it suddenly becomes apparent that this may just be about maintaining a lifestyle they perhaps cannot afford
Especially when it was pointed out that this 27k was TAKE HOME PAY
Laughable, it truly is. I wish more of the press attention was highlighting this
EGLD has made some good observations.
I know lots of people that would love to be able to survive on a salary where the take home pay is in the mid 20,000's.
At the rate CC are going, they might not have an airline to work for in the near future. Suck it up boys and girls. Chalk this one down to experience and get back to work.
I know lots of people that would love to be able to survive on a salary where the take home pay is in the mid 20,000's.
At the rate CC are going, they might not have an airline to work for in the near future. Suck it up boys and girls. Chalk this one down to experience and get back to work.