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Old 7th Mar 2024, 19:32
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Iíve been doing some similar research for my son who is looking at becoming a Pilot. I found www.oziflyer.com an interesting option. I hope that helps👍
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Old 7th Mar 2024, 22:12
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Originally Posted by hoss
I’ve been doing some similar research for my son who is looking at becoming a Pilot. I found www.oziflyer.com an interesting option. I hope that helps👍
Just be mindful that the piloting journey is not "a one size fits all" and that for many and varied reasons it is not at all uncommon for a student pilot to pass through both multiple instructors and multiple schools along the way. That's true here and even more so in the USA where there are so many more places to choose from and even more to avoid!

Think of this as a good start.. he'll need to work it out from there himself. Good luck.
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Old 8th Mar 2024, 00:33
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I don’t think that US flight schools will sponsor a visa as an Australian
Look into it, but my understanding is that so long as you do the training with them (or FAA conversion of an existing license + instructor ratings), they will sponsor your employment you as an instructor up to at least the ATPL hours. Some of the visas for training also include a couple of years working rights post completion of your training.

This is pretty much what happens in Aus with uni degrees, international students come here, do their degree and are given a couple of years working rights on completion. That's usually enough for them to find either a longer term sponsor or start the permanent resident process.

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Old 8th Mar 2024, 06:18
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Originally Posted by X670
Look into it, but my understanding is that so long as you do the training with them (or FAA conversion of an existing license + instructor ratings), they will sponsor your employment you as an instructor up to at least the ATPL hours. Some of the visas for training also include a couple of years working rights post completion of your training.
The issue then is, what happens if you don't complete your training with them? For any reason: eg. you find out the school is dodgy/overcharging you, the CFII is a maniac/drill sergeant, they have no aircraft available or you just plain feel unsafe. It would be really easy to get over there and find all the promises simply evaporate and you get kicked out of the country as an "illegal alien" (the same happens to international students coming here, BTW).

No, it's far safer/better in the long run to find your own way there on a tourist visa, go meet up with the folks from AOPA.org (or similar) and see what the go is for yourself.
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Old 12th Mar 2024, 02:30
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The issue then is, what happens if you don't complete your training with them? For any reason: eg. you find out the school is dodgy/overcharging you, the CFII is a maniac/drill sergeant, they have no aircraft available or you just plain feel unsafe. It would be really easy to get over there and find all the promises simply evaporate and you get kicked out of the country as an "illegal alien"
One should absolutely go check out an operation before signing up... One should also seek contracts rather than promises, which are on offer in the US.



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Old 28th Mar 2024, 07:46
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Hi Guys,

I'm looking for a change in career, i'm 37, married to a wife who support all my decisions and hobbies, father of one, i work in a large corporate company that pays very well but to be honest i am well and truly over it, i'm thinking of obtaining my CPL (A) or (H) and trying to make a go of it, i understand i will have to start from the bottom and be paid accordingly but the money is not an issue at this stage in my life. At 37 realistically if i give it all i have and obtain my license i will be 38, what are the real chances of getting a job at that age?

Also can someone recommend some good Schools in Melbourne to look at?

Thanks!
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Old 29th Mar 2024, 02:00
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Originally Posted by VH_AGB
Hi Guys,

I'm looking for a change in career, i'm 37, married to a wife who support all my decisions and hobbies, father of one, i work in a large corporate company that pays very well but to be honest i am well and truly over it, i'm thinking of obtaining my CPL (A) or (H) and trying to make a go of it, i understand i will have to start from the bottom and be paid accordingly but the money is not an issue at this stage in my life. At 37 realistically if i give it all i have and obtain my license i will be 38, what are the real chances of getting a job at that age?
With a good work ethic and a bit more life experience than some of the others going through, I'd say you have a very real chance of making a go of it (outside of the usual airline conveyor that is) so long as you're willing to leave the big smoke also. Corporate charter, survey, running a flight school someplace.. Australia is your oyster. Go for it.

Originally Posted by VH_AGB
Also can someone recommend some good Schools in Melbourne to look at?
Do you have a PPL or are you starting from scratch? Presuming you already have a PPL, check out Bini's or Base Aviation at Moorabbin or Lilydale Flying School if you're out that way.

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Old 29th Mar 2024, 02:57
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Originally Posted by PiperCameron
With a good work ethic and a bit more life experience than some of the others going through, I'd say you have a very real chance of making a go of it (outside of the usual airline conveyor that is) so long as you're willing to leave the big smoke also. Corporate charter, survey, running a flight school someplace.. Australia is your oyster. Go for it.



Do you have a PPL or are you starting from scratch? Presuming you already have a PPL, check out Bini's or Base Aviation at Moorabbin or Lilydale Flying School if you're out that way.
it would be from scratch , I did some flying a long while ago but I fear to much time as passed.
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Old 29th Mar 2024, 23:39
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Originally Posted by Clare Prop
If you think you could be interested in instructing there are great careers doing that for people who are tenacious and mature. There is definately a gap in the market for older wiser instructors with life experience as a bonus to pass on to thier students, people who will get to the top and stay there, not nick off as soon as a shiny jet beckons. You need to want to teach and be patient as it's a career that can start off quite slowly but the rewards at the top are great. As an employer of instructors my ideal age would be someone in their 30s upwards. Plus you will not be out in woop-woop.
Many of my grads go on to do survey work, that can be interesting and again they need people who will stick around.
I wouldn't recommend an integrated course personally as you don't have enough command hours when you finish to be of any use to anyone. Also you might find being in a classroom with people much younger to be frustrating at times (I speak as someone doing a uni course in my 60s) Spend half as much and go non-integrated, build up your hours and add ratings when you need them, don't spend money on things you won't be using for years, if ever.
Hi Clare Prop ,

Thanks for your thoughts. I have great respect for brilliant teachers and the difference they can make in the lives of their students. Unfortunately instructing is really not where I see myself in aviation.

All the best for your uni course. Yes, I find many people frustrating. Hopefully there a a few there that are also inspiring or at least interesting.
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Old 29th Mar 2024, 23:43
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Originally Posted by nomess
Generally is three age brackets for those job hunting. This is from past experience running a GA outfit looking over what seemed like a billion resumes coming through the door each year.

20-30yrs 95%
30-40yrs 4%
40-50yrs 1%

Our preferred candidate age was someone in the second bracket. Sadly they just didnít exist. And the last bracket, they most certainly did not exist.

The interesting thing was, the more Ďcreativeí and interesting CVs, came from the second and third bracket. Past life experience is of interest to myself in addition to flying skills. When my admin said she had a mid 30s boy or girls resume in her hand, my ears picked up, only get a couple a year. All resumes from 20 year olds are the same, most of them have no life experience and cannot even have a decent conversation with you, let alone dress appropriately for an interview. I hired the 35 yr old who then became the CP, and many years later is now a Training Captain on the Airbus at a bigger outfit.
Hi nomess ,

Thanks for your reply and positivity. That being said, I get the distinct impression that I would have to extraordinarily lucky to get anywhere near where I would like to end up. Or, to put it another way, I am most likely to end up exactly where I don't want to be. If it was just a matter of having a go, that would be one thing. But the potential life-changing effects (financial and personal) seem a great risk for an endeavor relying on luck rather than perseverance.

Hopefully I'm not being pessimistic here. Rather, going on the experience of others as far as what Australian aviation currently is and is not. Another time, another place maybe. It is a shame, but I can live without being a pilot.

All the best.
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Old 31st Mar 2024, 23:14
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Originally Posted by Climb150
My advice to you is do not do it. First hurdle is getting a job. There are literally hundreds of younger people in front of you already. Many will offer to work for free and not complain.

Accommodation in outback towns is generally poor and the pay even worse.

In the short time I was in GA it seemed more like a high school popularity contest than professional job.

Yes your age will work against you. Old people complain is what i was told. Leave it to the 21 year olds.
Hi Climb150 ,

Thanks for taking the time to share your thoughts. Will put you firmly as a +1 in the Concerns Confirmed camp.
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Old 1st Apr 2024, 22:24
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Originally Posted by VH_AGB
it would be from scratch , I did some flying a long while ago but I fear to much time as passed.
In that case I'd recommend (disclaimer: no personal links to the following, just the personal experience of learning as an older pilot!), in no particular order, either:
* Tristar (Moorabbin) - for that larger flight-school feeling whilst still being treated as an individual
* Oasis Flight Training (Moorabbin) - for one-on-one with a highly experienced instructor
* Lilydale Flight School - grass strip country
There are others of course, but that's 3 to start.

If it's been a while, book a TIF with each and see how you feel. Enjoy the journey - you won't regret it!
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Old 20th Apr 2024, 21:02
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MECIR Moorabbin or elsewhere

Gíday everyone,
Iím have a CPL with around 300 hours or so with the normal stuff like NVFR,Multi engine rating and CSU/Retractable. After having a big break from flying of a few years, I have recently got back on board. Unfortunately for me Iím not in a position to give up my trade and try to pursue flying as a full time career at this current time. However I have been toying with the idea of doing my CIR as Iíve just completed the IREX and then potentially doing some kind of part time flying,whether that be trying to get some hours on weekends doing skydive ops or another path if the opportunity where to arise. My thoughts are that when Iím ready to step away from the tools I would have some kind of experience and would have built some hours that would make me more employable for whatever path I take then.

I am wondering where to do my CIR training? Iíve done all my training at a small school in Melbourne that has changed significantly in the last few years and Iím looking to do whatís best for me. Iíve been wondering about Moorabbin as itís full of operators and flight training schools which could be a great opportunity for the Networking side of things as Iíve never really done much of this. Also Iíve read a lot about what aircraft to do it in. Would I be best looking for a school that has something like a Baron as a pose to a Seminole to get experience and hours on?

can anyone suggest places to do the CIR and what type of aircraft would be a wise choice for someone like myself. Cheers

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Old 22nd Apr 2024, 09:59
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You're correct that the Qantas Group Pilot Academy does not guarantee you a job, but from what I've been hearing, they do offer you the chance at an interview with Qantaslink and Jetstar. But only a lucky few then get the nod, like 10 to 15%.
I heard from a captain at Qantas that itís more like the single top boy and girl from each intake score a job (if theyíre able to get through the hiring process). QGPA is as close to a scam as they get
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Old 26th Apr 2024, 00:03
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Originally Posted by hazza4257
I heard from a captain at Qantas that it’s more like the single top boy and girl from each intake score a job (if they’re able to get through the hiring process). QGPA is as close to a scam as they get
That's a little bit harsh. You got delivered the service you paid for, that being CPL/IR? Aviation jobs will always be competitive, whether it's your first grass-roots job or an airline job, and no-one can guarantee you a job. People will make the most of the opportunities they're given.
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Old 29th Apr 2024, 05:46
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25 Year-Old (HK) Aspiring to Re-enter Aviation - Advice Needed

Dear fellow aviators,

I'm a 25-year-old Hong Kong citizen with a strong desire to return to the world of aviation. I hold a FAA CPL, Multi-Engine Instrument Rating, and CFI certification, with approximately 300 total flight hours and Bachelor's Science in Aeronautics degree at Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University. While I've spent the past few years pursuing opportunities in the startup industry, the allure of flight remains my true passion.

Given my citizenship and career aspirations, Cathay Pacific is naturally a top choice. However, I'm facing a bit of a conundrum regarding re-entry options:

1) Direct Entry Second Officer (DESO) Path: This route seems ideal, but I need to obtain the ATPL Theory Exam exam credits. The associated costs for the ATP-CTP course, flight review, and potential relocation to the US are significant (estimated $10,000-$15,000). Unfortunately, this exceeds my current financial capabilities.

2) Cadet Pilot Program: While I'm open to starting fresh, the prospect of restarting from PPL and spending 1.5 years to reach 250 hours feels like a lengthy detour.

3) Building Hours as CFI Internationally: Exploring opportunities as a CFI (or low hour pilot jobs) globally to accrue the required 1500 hours for the ATP and eventually transition to an airline pilot role elsewhere is an option. However, obtaining work visas outside of Hong Kong might pose a challenge.

Are there any alternative routes I might not be considering?
Any guidance or information you can provide would be greatly appreciated!
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Old 2nd May 2024, 12:37
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Advice - how art thou train. 24yo wanting to fly

Hi folks,
Ambiguous & ambitious question here but please bear with me. Any and all advice will be so helpful. I will keep this short.

Me - I am 24, have worked in property since I left high school (no uni) and enjoy flying (did the trial flight and loved it)

My situation - I have accumulated some funds, in the realm of $160,000 - $180,000. My conundrum is how do I go about approaching my avation journey and how to I utilise those funds to best help that journey. My intention would be to study full time and eventually work at an airline down the track. I am located in Auckland, NZ.

Do I;
  • Enrol in a school and go get a student loan (plus pay for any shortfall the student loan wont cover) - Potentially investing the remaining funds whilst training
  • Fly via an aero club and pay the costs as I go
Furthermore, is it in my best interest to pay for a type rating on an aircraft that I would not otherwise get during my training that would help benefit employment opportunities. My questions are endless - whom do you think will give me the better training? Does it matter when/if I apply for roles at an airline? Which one is cheaper? Which one is quicker? The list goes on and on. Again, any advice will be amazing.

To summarise, what would you do if you were in my situation.
Thank you.
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Old 3rd May 2024, 00:19
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Hi folks,
Ambiguous & ambitious question here but please bear with me. Any and all advice will be so helpful. I will keep this short.

Me - I am 24, have worked in property since I left high school (no uni) and enjoy flying (did the trial flight and loved it)

My situation - I have accumulated some funds, in the realm of $160,000 - $180,000. My conundrum is how do I go about approaching my avation journey and how to I utilise those funds to best help that journey. My intention would be to study full time and eventually work at an airline down the track. I am located in Auckland, NZ.

Do I;
  • Enrol in a school and go get a student loan (plus pay for any shortfall the student loan wont cover) - Potentially investing the remaining funds whilst training
  • Fly via an aero club and pay the costs as I go
Furthermore, is it in my best interest to pay for a type rating on an aircraft that I would not otherwise get during my training that would help benefit employment opportunities. My questions are endless - whom do you think will give me the better training? Does it matter when/if I apply for roles at an airline? Which one is cheaper? Which one is quicker? The list goes on and on. Again, any advice will be amazing.

To summarise, what would you do if you were in my situation.
Thank you.
If I was in your position, I'd keep your current job and fly privately with a PPL. IMO, flying GA aircraft is a lot more fun than airline flying, flying on autopilot in a straight-line for hours on end.
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Old 3rd May 2024, 00:53
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Originally Posted by Hollywood1
If I was in your position, I'd keep your current job and fly privately with a PPL. IMO, flying GA aircraft is a lot more fun than airline flying, flying on autopilot in a straight-line for hours on end.
Actually, with that level of funding available and your whole life ahead of you, yes sure, forget the airlines... Go get a CPL and an Instrument Rating instead with a view to getting into private freight charter/survey work somewhere out back.

You'll learn a lot of skills along the way that would be useful in both work and life, and with experience in Property and a clever tax agent you might even be able to claim aircraft hire for you and "potential clients" to go view "potential purchases" around the country! I can't think of a better way to explore Oz and get reimbursed for it myself.

The world is your oyster, my friend!
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Old 3rd May 2024, 10:58
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with a view to getting into private freight charter/survey work somewhere out back
What exactly is private freight charter/survey work ?
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