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Old 13th May 2023, 04:18
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Courses at the Quantas Group Flying Academy are not cadetships. Ask them what their percentage is of people who start the course to people who get a job with Qantas at the end of it. I know the answer but I'd be very interested to hear what they say.
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Old 10th Aug 2023, 11:19
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Instructor Ratings - Melbourne, Victoria

Hi All,

Looking for some recommendations for instructor ratings in Victoria, Can anyone recommend any good flight schools? Has anyone completed one at InterAir at Essendon or LTF at Moorabbin?

Thank you for your help.
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Old 11th Aug 2023, 02:30
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Interair, better choice
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Old 11th Aug 2023, 04:42
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You're pretty safe with any of the major schools that aren't starving, Tyabb is an unreal operation.
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Old 11th Aug 2023, 07:34
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Originally Posted by LaurenF1980
Hi All,

Looking for some recommendations for instructor ratings in Victoria, Can anyone recommend any good flight schools? Has anyone completed one at InterAir at Essendon or LTF at Moorabbin?

Thank you for your help.
Interair is a solid operator and have been around a long time. Thoroughly recommend them.
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There is a lot of movement at the moment, considering how tight things are going to get soon for pilots, I would consider not spending the money for an instructor rating and get yourself ready to slot into a proper commercial transport/charter role.
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Old 14th Aug 2023, 07:10
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Only do the rating with a school that will agree to employ you after completion. If they won't offer some surety of it you could be looking for work for a while after the course. As for getting charter work in states like Victoria its almost non existent for low time pilots, and by the time you have the hours you will be Airline fodder.
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Old 15th Aug 2023, 05:30
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Melb training questions... so many....

Originally Posted by Mach1Muppet
You're pretty safe with any of the major schools that aren't starving, Tyabb is an unreal operation.
Hiya, new here. Thinking of starting my flight training (RPL to start with) (after 20 years of thinking about it). Not interested in a career in GA, but possibly building a Vans plane or similar in the future... who knows....

Options seem to be Moorabbin, Tyabb and Lilydale for me, Moorabbin being the closest. Have a few questions for the group.

# You say Tyabb is unreal, meaning good? If so why? Is it 'better' training, or cheaper or both, better setup?
# Would like to take TIF flights at all these airports to see what suits me best, do the operators get antsy if you do this? I did have a logbook (lost long ago with 1 hour logged) but would like to take one along to each flight to get time logged.
# Is there an online course where I can do all the theory AND EXAMS components required for RPL (and PPL) without doing the flight training first? Is this even possible without starting an actual flight training course?
# Does in-person training become cheaper if you do the theory and exams yourself? Or is DIYing the theory courses expected anyway?
# Lastly, highly subjective, but anyone have recommendations for flight schools in either of these locations???

Thanks in advance!
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Old 15th Aug 2023, 22:10
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Originally Posted by Abs81
Hiya, new here. Thinking of starting my flight training (RPL to start with) (after 20 years of thinking about it). Not interested in a career in GA, but possibly building a Vans plane or similar in the future... who knows....

Options seem to be Moorabbin, Tyabb and Lilydale for me, Moorabbin being the closest. Have a few questions for the group.

# You say Tyabb is unreal, meaning good? If so why? Is it 'better' training, or cheaper or both, better setup?
# Would like to take TIF flights at all these airports to see what suits me best, do the operators get antsy if you do this? I did have a logbook (lost long ago with 1 hour logged) but would like to take one along to each flight to get time logged.
# Is there an online course where I can do all the theory AND EXAMS components required for RPL (and PPL) without doing the flight training first? Is this even possible without starting an actual flight training course?
# Does in-person training become cheaper if you do the theory and exams yourself? Or is DIYing the theory courses expected anyway?
# Lastly, highly subjective, but anyone have recommendations for flight schools in either of these locations???

Thanks in advance!
Hey Mate, will do my best to answer these, itís just my opinion, but have a good read of this thread, most information still seems real valid.

Yeah can break down a few, Tyabb, was and in my opinion still has the best culture of any aero club or airfield Iíve ever been to, a real credit to the Melbourne area. Itís surprisingly cheap as well!

Nah operators Iíd say love doing TIFs, no shame in a try before you buy, just remember that itís only a 30min insight into the actual flying side, there will be good days and bad days, just roll with the punches, youíll get there.

Yep 100% dependant on what you want to do, you can have a crack at RPL/PPL before youíre licensed. While it can be done, Iíd strongly advise doing some flying before you attempt them, youíll wrap your head around the subjects much easier. Check out bob tait for RPL/PPL. Will lessen the cost if you self study but doesnít hurt to ask for help.

Tyabb and Lilydale are awesome schools, Moorabbin also has its fair share, just be cautious if sausage factories. Iíd honestly say if youíre going to build an RV, either or will be a wealth of knowledge.

Sorry for the war and peace, but hope this helps.

Cheers,
M1M




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Old 17th Aug 2023, 02:50
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Originally Posted by Abs81
Hiya, new here. Thinking of starting my flight training (RPL to start with) (after 20 years of thinking about it). Not interested in a career in GA, but possibly building a Vans plane or similar in the future... who knows....

Options seem to be Moorabbin, Tyabb and Lilydale for me, Moorabbin being the closest. Have a few questions for the group.

# You say Tyabb is unreal, meaning good? If so why? Is it 'better' training, or cheaper or both, better setup?
# Would like to take TIF flights at all these airports to see what suits me best, do the operators get antsy if you do this? I did have a logbook (lost long ago with 1 hour logged) but would like to take one along to each flight to get time logged.
# Is there an online course where I can do all the theory AND EXAMS components required for RPL (and PPL) without doing the flight training first? Is this even possible without starting an actual flight training course?
# Does in-person training become cheaper if you do the theory and exams yourself? Or is DIYing the theory courses expected anyway?
# Lastly, highly subjective, but anyone have recommendations for flight schools in either of these locations???
Having followed a similar path to the one you're considering, to add to M1M's reply above, a few questions:

LSA or GA?? If you're thinking of building an RV (RAAus probably) at some point, then I'd recommend an RAAus RPC first up (the cheapest way to go) and convert that into an RPL on completion. Even if Moorabbin is closest, then although it's a bit further for you to drive, for a great school with friendly staff, Lilydale (LFS) may still be the place for you to start, moving your training to Moorabbin a bit later.

At LFS, you'd start your RPC in either Foxbats or Jabirus (or the Alpha Electro, if electric flight appeals to you!) and move up to their Piper Warriors, Archers, etc. for RPL then PPL as you get hooked. Lilydale also just happens to be on the corner of the main VFR route to everywhere, making navs a bit cheaper plus there are a few SAA builders out there you'd get to know. Nice as they are, if this LSA-to-GA is appealing to you, neither Tyabb nor Moorabbin can offer as many opportunities nor diversity of aircraft as Lilydale does and many pilots (myself included) choose to fly at both Lilydale and Moorabbin for different parts of their training.

High wing or low?? Tyabb fly Cessnas mostly, which leaves Moorabbin. At Moorabbin you have a choice depending on the school you pick. Ideally you want somewhere with an excellent reputation, good instructors and well-maintained aircraft. Staying out of the way of career students rules out CAE-Oxford and LTF... leaving you with either Tristar (Cessnas) or RVAC (Pipers) as the only other places that tick all the boxes.

Course-work? RAAus https://www.raa.asn.au/fly-with-us/ have their own path but Bob Tait's books are the place to start for either. Read up as much as you can and don't be afraid to ask questions. Bob Tait also runs on-line theory courses which are worth doing: https://www.bobtait.com.au/

My 5 cents worth:
1. Organise a TIF in an RAAus registered aircraft at Lilydale and one in a GA aircraft at either Tristar or RVAC.
2. Talk to the instructors about costs and weigh it up.

It will definitely be more expensive to get to RPL at either Moorabbin or Tyabb than Lilydale, but maybe the drive is worth it to you?
https://www.yarravalleyaviation.com.au/
http://www.tristaraviation.com.au/
https://www.rvac.com.au/home

Warning: Flying is addictive. Have fun!

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Old 17th Aug 2023, 08:28
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As a Tyabb club member, there couple of clarifications with regards to the aerodrome/school/club.

There are Cherokee and Sierra, both low wing aircrafts available for training in Tyabb.

There is a Foxbat in Tyabb available for RAAus training, although if you are thinking about "saving $" through RAAus path, in reality that rarely happens.

Location of school and distance for Nav flights is irrelevant. The flying hours count. Actually, only location and travel time from your home to the aerodrome counts.

For you as a builder, you'd probably want to join SAAA. There is a "Tyabb chapter", but I can't find Lilydale chapter which doesn't mean you won't get support from local members in Lilydale area.

​​​​​​...and finally you won't find awesome views of both Port Phillip and Westernport bays after taking off from Tyabb.. priceless

and yeah, Tyabb has its own flaws, but again nobody's perfect..

Welcome, wherever you decide to learn!
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Old 17th Aug 2023, 11:26
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Originally Posted by Abs81
Hiya, new here.
# Would like to take TIF flights at all these airports to see what suits me best!
I suggest you do some more research and talking to people first.
Both RVAC and LTF have Slings. RVAC also has Cessna 152s.
Consider Coldstream.

Visit a shortlist of schools and talk to the instructors. Choice of instructor is very important.

Do a TIF or two after that.
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Old 18th Aug 2023, 08:48
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Thanks everyone. Really appreciate the info. Spoken with a few friends, one who has built an RV already.

# RPC vs RPL can be done to save a little money, but maybe not as much as I've been thinking. So will go with RPL as no issues with medical. Can do training in a smaller aircraft as well to save money.
# Do flight training 'quickly', i.e. don't leave huge gaps otherwise it will take longer.
# Finding a good instructor is important. However sometimes another instructor in the same school can teach you something you are stuck on
# Do a few TIF at the airports you can easily get to, ask lots of questions,
# Reasonably double min 25 hours if you want to pass comfortably.

Will start down the research path with aim to do RLP over Spring/Summer.... hopefully!

RV stuff, well that's another discussion, but hopefully it happens.
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Old 1st Sep 2023, 00:00
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Seeking advice for becoming commercial pilot after Yr 12

Hi all,

I am at the stage in my life where I need to make the decision for applying to universities as I am nearing completion of year 12.

However, I have had the passion for flying commercially for many years and with uncertainty in the industry of getting jobs from being a fresh CPL student, I am really stuck with what to choose. I am currently looking to do the Swinburne Bachelor of Aviation course, or the Bachelor of Information Technology and later look to fly in my free time and build enough hours (as a flight instructor if I did flight school) to apply to airlines or other charter companies. I also currently hold no pilot license.

I have also been researching the Qantas Pilot Academy program to see if this is another potential option to get my foot into the aviation industry as a pilot.

I would really appreciate advice on the best way to approach this.
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Old 1st Sep 2023, 04:03
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Originally Posted by BPilot11
Hi all,

I am at the stage in my life where I need to make the decision for applying to universities as I am nearing completion of year 12.

However, I have had the passion for flying commercially for many years and with uncertainty in the industry of getting jobs from being a fresh CPL student, I am really stuck with what to choose. I am currently looking to do the Swinburne Bachelor of Aviation course, or the Bachelor of Information Technology and later look to fly in my free time and build enough hours (as a flight instructor if I did flight school) to apply to airlines or other charter companies. I also currently hold no pilot license.

I have also been researching the Qantas Pilot Academy program to see if this is another potential option to get my foot into the aviation industry as a pilot.

I would really appreciate advice on the best way to approach this.
First off, welcome to the forum! The Swinburne course or QPA are both good options and a few other Unis around Australia also offer aviation degrees (including B.Bus Av), so if you're willing to move it would be worth considering them.

With pilots in high demand both now and projected to remain so into the future, the world is your oyster right now. Good luck and I wish you well on your journey - it's an exciting one!
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