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it's a shame that THE FIN didn't bother to get some balance in it's report, some advertising dollars were about to be pulled by the looks of it
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and not to forget that when Q was "sold to the public" the Hawke/Keating Gov't wiped Q's $700 odd million debt so it could start out debt free........
what a great gift from the Aus taxpayer.
and not to forget that when Q was "sold to the public" the Hawke/Keating Gov't wiped Q's $700 odd million debt so it could start out debt free........
what a great gift from the Aus taxpayer.
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What does Dixon care anyway?He is outta here within the next 18 months.
Win,lose or draw, he will either be the hero or the fallguy,and with a good PIA from us,being the fallguy is the preferred option.
But don't forget,he still has his money and bonuses regardless of the outcome of the PIA.
Win,lose or draw, he will either be the hero or the fallguy,and with a good PIA from us,being the fallguy is the preferred option.
But don't forget,he still has his money and bonuses regardless of the outcome of the PIA.
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GD is so wealthy that the money is no longer the issue. Pride is. Playing the game is. So let's make sure he loses. Pride comes before the fall. We have so much more to lose than he does. So let's dent that pride. Let's bring them all down a notch or two.
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Questions for ALAEA Fed Sec.
Questions for ALAEA Fed Sec.
Lets get it totally right this time please.
As you are aware, there is a lot riding on this action. Not just 5%
Voting ends Thursday 8th May, counting complete Friday 9th May.
Assuming that the YES vote gets up.
1. When does PIA start.
2. Considering that we must give QF, 3 WORKING days notice. Do we notify them on Friday 9th May and give them an extra 2 days over the weekend to sort themselves out, or do we notify them of action on Monday 12th May, meaning that action should start on Thursday 15th May.
4. With the industrial laws in force at the moment does QF need to give us any notice at all about what their action will consist of.
Thank you for your efforts up till now.
Lets get it totally right this time please.
As you are aware, there is a lot riding on this action. Not just 5%
Voting ends Thursday 8th May, counting complete Friday 9th May.
Assuming that the YES vote gets up.
1. When does PIA start.
2. Considering that we must give QF, 3 WORKING days notice. Do we notify them on Friday 9th May and give them an extra 2 days over the weekend to sort themselves out, or do we notify them of action on Monday 12th May, meaning that action should start on Thursday 15th May.
4. With the industrial laws in force at the moment does QF need to give us any notice at all about what their action will consist of.
Thank you for your efforts up till now.
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Cert IV trainers
So who really knows what the Fed Sec and Fed Pres are up to with jammimg our Cert IV LAME trainers?
You know - the ones that we rely on day in day out to make our lives easier?
Is it true that Fed Pres held the gun to the head of one of them in MEL, telling him to watch his back?
Is it also true that the Fed Pres was sitting on his butt, in a Human Factors course being taught by two other Cert IV LAME trainers who he wouldn't take on coz they'd stand him up?
Is it then true that another Fed Exec member - arm's healing nicely I'm told after falling off his trike - was frothing off over the weekend coz his driver's license lapsed and he had no Cert IV to teach him.
Perhaps the Fed Pres doesn't tell his mates what he's up to.
With all of that, let's face it - banning these training guys is just dumb - the headline will look good - ALAEA bans safety trainers.
GD will no doubt use that one when the Fed Sec claims the big Q isn't as safe as it used to be.
Anyway, isn't banning Cert IVs unprotected industrial action? Thought the Fed Sec was a self - taught expert on this stuff.
PIA might well just do the big Q in - but casualties will be many - on our side. I say we should NOT put our own in the middle - it's just bad leadership - that in my worldly experience - professional union organisers would never do.
You guys shouting PIA had better hope this Exec knows what they are doing.
You know - the ones that we rely on day in day out to make our lives easier?
Is it true that Fed Pres held the gun to the head of one of them in MEL, telling him to watch his back?
Is it also true that the Fed Pres was sitting on his butt, in a Human Factors course being taught by two other Cert IV LAME trainers who he wouldn't take on coz they'd stand him up?
Is it then true that another Fed Exec member - arm's healing nicely I'm told after falling off his trike - was frothing off over the weekend coz his driver's license lapsed and he had no Cert IV to teach him.
Perhaps the Fed Pres doesn't tell his mates what he's up to.
With all of that, let's face it - banning these training guys is just dumb - the headline will look good - ALAEA bans safety trainers.
GD will no doubt use that one when the Fed Sec claims the big Q isn't as safe as it used to be.
Anyway, isn't banning Cert IVs unprotected industrial action? Thought the Fed Sec was a self - taught expert on this stuff.
PIA might well just do the big Q in - but casualties will be many - on our side. I say we should NOT put our own in the middle - it's just bad leadership - that in my worldly experience - professional union organisers would never do.
You guys shouting PIA had better hope this Exec knows what they are doing.
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And just what is your 
point.
The fact is QE would/should have to pay for appropriately trained personnel for the duties that the Cert IV trainers conduct, be they internal or external.
By rightfully paying internal trainers they would still be saving a buttload of $$$ so let them play their silly little game and find out the real world cost of this sort of training and in the mean time sit back and laugh and put up with the QE imposed inconvenience.
Remember it is QE that imposes most of this bull training.
point.The fact is QE would/should have to pay for appropriately trained personnel for the duties that the Cert IV trainers conduct, be they internal or external.
By rightfully paying internal trainers they would still be saving a buttload of $$$ so let them play their silly little game and find out the real world cost of this sort of training and in the mean time sit back and laugh and put up with the QE imposed inconvenience.
Remember it is QE that imposes most of this bull
training.
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Cert IVs
Now now - take a chill pill buddy.
My points are pretty clear.
Fed Pres is a hypocrit - bans training while he is on a course.
Fed Exec doesn't know of that ban coz he's out complaining that he hasn't got anyone to train him.
I'm unsure that the Exec knows what they are doing by putting a LAME (must be a member) directly in the position where he will have action taken against him by the company.
Fed Sec claims to be a self taught expert in IR. No union organiser I've ever been represented by would do any of the above - especially sacrifice a member.
Shame I had to spell all of this out. I thought LAMEs were intelligent.
My points are pretty clear.
Fed Pres is a hypocrit - bans training while he is on a course.
Fed Exec doesn't know of that ban coz he's out complaining that he hasn't got anyone to train him.
I'm unsure that the Exec knows what they are doing by putting a LAME (must be a member) directly in the position where he will have action taken against him by the company.
Fed Sec claims to be a self taught expert in IR. No union organiser I've ever been represented by would do any of the above - especially sacrifice a member.
Shame I had to spell all of this out. I thought LAMEs were intelligent.
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Cert IVs again...
Thx for your views Mendaero.
Isn't true that the guys doing the training are being paid already? Sure better to have the payment in the EBA.
Has it ever dawned on you that some proportion of the LAME headcount is driven by this type of work?
Have you stopped to wonder whether they will start it up again after they find an external training company to do the work?
You and your loud mates can shut me down again, but once again you just show that your whole strategy is to be bullies - with no ability to keep the jewels safe. You just play into their hands. Less LAMEs from wrecking HM, less LAMEs from making it hard to use them on work that can be done by others, less LAMEs because of high wages (yeh - I've enjoyed them too - investments have been hammered recently though - but then again I did sell some Qantas shares at $5.10)...difference I can see what's coming. You and the wrestlers just enjoy the blue.
My view (which I think this site says should be respected) is that we are being poorly lead. I also think many of my LAME colleagues think what I am willing to say.
I'm off to bed now, so save your fury - you might pop a valve!
Isn't true that the guys doing the training are being paid already? Sure better to have the payment in the EBA.
Has it ever dawned on you that some proportion of the LAME headcount is driven by this type of work?
Have you stopped to wonder whether they will start it up again after they find an external training company to do the work?
You and your loud mates can shut me down again, but once again you just show that your whole strategy is to be bullies - with no ability to keep the jewels safe. You just play into their hands. Less LAMEs from wrecking HM, less LAMEs from making it hard to use them on work that can be done by others, less LAMEs because of high wages (yeh - I've enjoyed them too - investments have been hammered recently though - but then again I did sell some Qantas shares at $5.10)...difference I can see what's coming. You and the wrestlers just enjoy the blue.
My view (which I think this site says should be respected) is that we are being poorly lead. I also think many of my LAME colleagues think what I am willing to say.
I'm off to bed now, so save your fury - you might pop a valve!
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Your name implies much but your words present little I am as I have stated before a reasonably moderate individual, so
My understanding of the Cert IV's is that if there are safety issues (real not perceived) then someone not particularly a Cert IV can do the training.
The Cert IV issue I believe is about making the payment for ALL CERT IV TRAINERS in writing which the company refuses to do.
Your vent / ramble / alcohol induced rant provides us with an insight into who you are rather than the Fed Pres or the Fed Sec especially when you insult rather than explain.
I think that you are simply as this site/forum often suggests a Troll wishing to stir **** for the companies benefit and at this point I hope you stay away
Your name implies much but your words present little I am as I have stated before a reasonably moderate individual, so
My understanding of the Cert IV's is that if there are safety issues (real not perceived) then someone not particularly a Cert IV can do the training.
The Cert IV issue I believe is about making the payment for ALL CERT IV TRAINERS in writing which the company refuses to do.
Your vent / ramble / alcohol induced rant provides us with an insight into who you are rather than the Fed Pres or the Fed Sec especially when you insult rather than explain.
I think that you are simply as this site/forum often suggests a Troll wishing to stir **** for the companies benefit and at this point I hope you stay away
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I guess what you didn't see is your investments about to be hammered. Pretty silly thing if you can see what's comming. You seem to be a new member here (joined in Apr '08). Were you banned as a previous alias? Stop spreading your FUD.
My view (which this site and 98% of this thread's members respect) is that we are being led brilliantly. We are finally getting e-mails and notices sent to all the members as soon as it happens. Information, meetings and feedback has never looked so good from Bexley. They are also always contactable and willing to help ASAP. These blokes are doing a magnificant job and I certanly could not be happier. WELL DONE!
Seriously, how many LAME collegues are under that manager's desk... What are you complaining about?
investments have been hammered recently though - but then again I did sell some Qantas shares at $5.10)...difference I can see what's coming.
My view (which I think this site says should be respected) is that we are being poorly lead.
I also think many of my LAME colleagues think what I am willing to say.
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I think most are aware that TRUSTEE is winding all up with typical management rhetoric. If any non puppet readers would like any of his rubbish answered just ask and I will be more than happy to.
There was a question about timing of the action. It is in a notice from yesterday but I will repeat. Qantas will be notified this Thursday if the ballot is announced and successful. First day of action the following Wednesday.
There was a question about timing of the action. It is in a notice from yesterday but I will repeat. Qantas will be notified this Thursday if the ballot is announced and successful. First day of action the following Wednesday.
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TRUSTEE-Your officially added to the ignore list!
Boys at Bexley-Brilliant job,you certainly have your act together. Very proud to be led by you guys and such a shame QF management aren't as professional to deal with. If so all this would have been over long ago.
Unfortunately our Cert IV trainers are still training and ignore the notices.Our new DMM/trainer would do anything they ask but of course that's why he got the job. Its certainly not through ability or respect. In the words of another trainer on 12 hrs O/T "Im getting $1000 today to train you blokes"
Thats OK we will just leave you out of any ALAEA negotiated agreements.
Right then, just got to check out the Hotels to see what scabs are waiting to swoop in!
Boys at Bexley-Brilliant job,you certainly have your act together. Very proud to be led by you guys and such a shame QF management aren't as professional to deal with. If so all this would have been over long ago.
Unfortunately our Cert IV trainers are still training and ignore the notices.Our new DMM/trainer would do anything they ask but of course that's why he got the job. Its certainly not through ability or respect. In the words of another trainer on 12 hrs O/T "Im getting $1000 today to train you blokes"
Thats OK we will just leave you out of any ALAEA negotiated agreements.
Right then, just got to check out the Hotels to see what scabs are waiting to swoop in!
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A rumor that may cheer people up.
I heard our illustrious leader, G.D. was on the Afternoon flight from Perth back to Sydney yesterday.
After he boarded, the Perth boys found something wrong with the aircraft. One thing led to another, and soon GD was heading to a Perth hotel for the night. They just couldn’t fix it before it missed curfew.
If he thinks that was inconvenient, just wait for the PIA.
I heard our illustrious leader, G.D. was on the Afternoon flight from Perth back to Sydney yesterday.
After he boarded, the Perth boys found something wrong with the aircraft. One thing led to another, and soon GD was heading to a Perth hotel for the night. They just couldn’t fix it before it missed curfew.
If he thinks that was inconvenient, just wait for the PIA.
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Rumours out of asia suggest the QF/MAS venture has hired a few ex SYDHMers and they are ready to do 744's for two months of 'a' checks in addition to their contract for 744 C checks and A330 heavy
...A330 heavy did I say????
Yes BNEHM....you were NEVER going to get it......so much for THAT promise GD & DC....things like that don't happen overnight....another blatant QF LIE !!
So, 2 months of no annual leave, 2 months of MAS/QF A checks.....chances are 767 and 737 to ANZ or JHAS......do these QF twits think we'll only last for two months??????
That's two months of having no 'A' checks to interrupt our defect searching on transits...............suckers!!!!!!
Go to it boys, be dilligent, and don't forget....stick to the Policy manual like glue.........wouldn't hurt to have that AMM printout in your pocket for ANY job too.....even the tyre pressures!!
and don't forget to take 5 before you do anything..........
...A330 heavy did I say????
Yes BNEHM....you were NEVER going to get it......so much for THAT promise GD & DC....things like that don't happen overnight....another blatant QF LIE !!
So, 2 months of no annual leave, 2 months of MAS/QF A checks.....chances are 767 and 737 to ANZ or JHAS......do these QF twits think we'll only last for two months??????
That's two months of having no 'A' checks to interrupt our defect searching on transits...............suckers!!!!!!
Go to it boys, be dilligent, and don't forget....stick to the Policy manual like glue.........wouldn't hurt to have that AMM printout in your pocket for ANY job too.....even the tyre pressures!!
and don't forget to take 5 before you do anything..........
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A rumor that may cheer people up.
I heard our illustrious leader, G.D. was on the Afternoon flight from Perth back to Sydney yesterday.
After he boarded, the Perth boys found something wrong with the aircraft. One thing led to another, and soon GD was heading to a Perth hotel for the night. They just couldn’t fix it before it missed curfew.
If he thinks that was inconvenient, just wait for the PIA.
I heard our illustrious leader, G.D. was on the Afternoon flight from Perth back to Sydney yesterday.
After he boarded, the Perth boys found something wrong with the aircraft. One thing led to another, and soon GD was heading to a Perth hotel for the night. They just couldn’t fix it before it missed curfew.
If he thinks that was inconvenient, just wait for the PIA.
.....and then when he did get out of there they ran out of butter and salad dressing and took his off him for the PAYING passengers that he so utterly detests......