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mr hilter, sorry if my last post was a bit too 'dry', I will remove tongue from cheek. You are right though, this is a rumour network but it is preferred that rumours have at least a skerrick of truth about them. Hence, DC is unable to post his LAME pay rate comparison table on this site. What he has omitted to include is almost as corrupt as what he has included. Emirates is one of a few airlines that thank their employees with generous bonuses. Singapore being another one that gives at least a bonus 4 weeks pay. Makes our $2000 bonus look very generous, doesn't it? Not bad seeing that Bloomburgs has benchmarked all the major airlines and found that QE is 10% more productive than SQ Engineering.
P.S. Just between you and me, my first name isn't PIOT.
ALAEA Fed Sec, you obviously have contact with a members in all ports but I think you will be surprised at the large majority that will vote Yes. There are very few that I have come across that are willing to give any support to the company line. The only ones that I have stand to get big bonuses themselves if PIA doesn't get up.
P.S. Just between you and me, my first name isn't PIOT.
ALAEA Fed Sec, you obviously have contact with a members in all ports but I think you will be surprised at the large majority that will vote Yes. There are very few that I have come across that are willing to give any support to the company line. The only ones that I have stand to get big bonuses themselves if PIA doesn't get up.
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Hey there PIOT (and I know it's not your first name), I think we are on the same side.
By the way, I come neither from London or Sydney. As best I can tell, votes in my station are about 60:40, but those that say no will comply with union commands.
Looking forward to the stoush,
Hilter
By the way, I come neither from London or Sydney. As best I can tell, votes in my station are about 60:40, but those that say no will comply with union commands.
Looking forward to the stoush,
Hilter
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Percentages!
Dear Mr Fed Sec,
Just a quick note to suggest you may be underestimating the yes/no ratio. Sydney 'precinct' modestly would have to be rated at 75 yes/25 no. Communications I have had with a reasonable spread of individuals from most departments leaves me in no doubt.
1 no vote out of 3 = 66% in favour of PIA
1 no vote out of 4 = 75% in favour of PIA
One no in four is my bet! 75% is yet another all time record response!
We are strong, we are resolved, and many of the 75% don't see the money as the first priority! Its worth so much more! Vote YES for no confidence in managements ability to steer this ship away from the iceburg. It is plain for all but the blinded top to see. Former Prime Minister John Howard lost government and destroyed a party. He learnt it the hard way. Look after the engine room. Keep it serviced, and don't forget the good oil and respect. Will QF learn before its too late? I doubt it!
Just a quick note to suggest you may be underestimating the yes/no ratio. Sydney 'precinct' modestly would have to be rated at 75 yes/25 no. Communications I have had with a reasonable spread of individuals from most departments leaves me in no doubt.
1 no vote out of 3 = 66% in favour of PIA
1 no vote out of 4 = 75% in favour of PIA
One no in four is my bet! 75% is yet another all time record response!
We are strong, we are resolved, and many of the 75% don't see the money as the first priority! Its worth so much more! Vote YES for no confidence in managements ability to steer this ship away from the iceburg. It is plain for all but the blinded top to see. Former Prime Minister John Howard lost government and destroyed a party. He learnt it the hard way. Look after the engine room. Keep it serviced, and don't forget the good oil and respect. Will QF learn before its too late? I doubt it!
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You boys should see what Dixon thinks of his loyal employees front page todays financial review.
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The management of this company has contributed more to the well being of ths company than any bloody union has.
Qantas has the balance sheet to defend any strikes and any such action will put Australian jobs at risk
Leave Cancelled...oh well, Whatever...
Well, I received my Cancellation of Annual Leave letter today, hand delivered by courier. I knew that would be coming. No worries, I’ll survive. It will take substantially more than the cancellation of my annual leave to stop carrying out my legally protected industrial action and sign up to an EBA. Hmmm...I think 5% will probably do it…maybe…
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600ft-lb, the benchmarking study has not been published on the internet. If you contact Bloomberg direct you might be able to get a copy. The only reference I could find on the internet is at http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...efer=australia
Well done ALAEA, the campaign is starting to produce results. GD doesn't like to get personally involved in the 'dirty work' but the media are asking questions. Nobody accepts that 3% is a reasonable offer, it will be hard for GD to defend QE's stance.
By now my YES vote will have already been counted.
Well done ALAEA, the campaign is starting to produce results. GD doesn't like to get personally involved in the 'dirty work' but the media are asking questions. Nobody accepts that 3% is a reasonable offer, it will be hard for GD to defend QE's stance.
By now my YES vote will have already been counted.
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I think it's time we all rolled over and took the 3% and the 14 weeks bonus-pay
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$110000 average LAME multipled by current offer (3-5%) equals $3300-$5500 pay increase pa.
Cost to Qantas - 1700 LAME's (approx) multipled by $3300-$5500 equals $5,610,000 - $9,350,000 pa.
$110000 average LAME multipled by ALAEA claim (5-7%) equals $5500-$7700 pay increase pa.
Cost to Qantas - 1700 LAME's (approx) multipled by $5500-$7700 equals $9,350,000 - $13,090,000 pa.
Qantas Cost Difference between ALAEA claim and current offer $3,740,000.
$3,740,000 divided by profit forecast $1,400,000,000 equals 0.00267%
Qantas downgrades profit forecast to $1,396,260,000. Doh.
HAPPY WORKFORCE - PRICELESS
Cost to Qantas - 1700 LAME's (approx) multipled by $3300-$5500 equals $5,610,000 - $9,350,000 pa.
$110000 average LAME multipled by ALAEA claim (5-7%) equals $5500-$7700 pay increase pa.
Cost to Qantas - 1700 LAME's (approx) multipled by $5500-$7700 equals $9,350,000 - $13,090,000 pa.
Qantas Cost Difference between ALAEA claim and current offer $3,740,000.
$3,740,000 divided by profit forecast $1,400,000,000 equals 0.00267%
Qantas downgrades profit forecast to $1,396,260,000. Doh.
HAPPY WORKFORCE - PRICELESS
Mr. Dixon:
Bull**** - and it proves the man doesn't even understand what his role is.
The effects of the decisions Dixon and his Board have made in the last five years are only now becoming apparent, starting with this ALAEA PIA stouch.
Time horizon of Board - 5 to 10 years.
Time horizon of Senior Management 3-5 years.
Time Horizon of Middle management 1 -2 years.
Time Horizon of junior mangement/ supervisors - next three months.
Engineers, Cabin crew and Pilots - today, right now, immediate - since it is they, not the other lot, that deliver the goods to the customers NOT management.
To put it another way, the Chickens are going to come home to roost for Qantas over the next five to ten years, as the long term effects of Mr. Dixon's decisons become apparent.
Annual bonuses for such people don't make much sense do they? They focus senior managers on short term thinking when they should be focussed on long term thinking.
The management of this company has contributed more to the well being of this company than any bloody union has.
The effects of the decisions Dixon and his Board have made in the last five years are only now becoming apparent, starting with this ALAEA PIA stouch.
Time horizon of Board - 5 to 10 years.
Time horizon of Senior Management 3-5 years.
Time Horizon of Middle management 1 -2 years.
Time Horizon of junior mangement/ supervisors - next three months.
Engineers, Cabin crew and Pilots - today, right now, immediate - since it is they, not the other lot, that deliver the goods to the customers NOT management.
To put it another way, the Chickens are going to come home to roost for Qantas over the next five to ten years, as the long term effects of Mr. Dixon's decisons become apparent.
Annual bonuses for such people don't make much sense do they? They focus senior managers on short term thinking when they should be focussed on long term thinking.
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The management of this company has contributed more to the well being of this company than any bloody union has.
and don't forget the failed private equity "grab for cash"........
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"the wellbeing of Qantas...! "
Can't see that the efforts of management are such a significant factor in "the wellbeing of Qantas"
One has only to look at the "management" of Regional Op's (Jetconnect / Qlink) to see the contribution of NK.
Perhaps the most significant factor is the destruction of Ansett
ie. Engineering - 747 / 767 / 737 and A320(Jet*) licenced and little or no training costs:
Flight crew - 747 / 767 / 737 and A320(Jet*) endorsed and little training costs:
Flight attendants - many available and willing to regain employment - little training cost.
What a bonus to have those resources available to ramp up operations , together with having 40% of the market dumped in one's lap!!!!!
Qantas management have never really been put to the test.
Perhaps the Engineers will do it?
Role on.....
One has only to look at the "management" of Regional Op's (Jetconnect / Qlink) to see the contribution of NK.
Perhaps the most significant factor is the destruction of Ansett
ie. Engineering - 747 / 767 / 737 and A320(Jet*) licenced and little or no training costs:
Flight crew - 747 / 767 / 737 and A320(Jet*) endorsed and little training costs:
Flight attendants - many available and willing to regain employment - little training cost.
What a bonus to have those resources available to ramp up operations , together with having 40% of the market dumped in one's lap!!!!!
Qantas management have never really been put to the test.
Perhaps the Engineers will do it?
Role on.....
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Don't forget the fleets of new aircraft they were enabled to buy at half price due 911 and Ansett coincidence.
Super cheap aircraft, no waiting, a ready market and a cherry picked workforce!
What about the 90 million wasted on the A330 floor due buying the wrong aircraft.
APA jes would have loved carrying that debt today! Another reason to cut workers wages I suppose.
Super cheap aircraft, no waiting, a ready market and a cherry picked workforce!
What about the 90 million wasted on the A330 floor due buying the wrong aircraft.
APA jes would have loved carrying that debt today! Another reason to cut workers wages I suppose.