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Judging by the reactions on Qroom, an EBA for long haul pirates that offers 3% (less than inflation) with tradeoffs (ie a real wage reduction whilst trading away conditions) is going to be laughed all the way to a resounding NO vote.
Watch this space....
Watch this space....
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QANTAS has reached an in-principle agreement with unions on a new wages deal for its long haul pilots.
The agreement with the Australian International Pilots' Association allows for a 3 per cent yearly wage rise until 2013, and follows 18 months of negotiations.
"This is a significant agreement that locks in the company's 3 per cent per annum wages policy for a further five years,'' Qantas chief executive Geoff Dixon said.
As well, all Qantas pilots will now have part of their remuneration linked to the company's performance.
"Under this new agreement, the difference between the three per cent per annum wage increase and CPI (consumer price index), along with a proportion of overtime payments, will be paid out in a similar way to executive bonuses,'' Mr Dixon said.
The agreement re-writes decades of accumulated employment conditions and rules into one simplified document.
"It finalises the pay arrangements for the launch of the (Airbus) A380 aircraft later this year, with multiple pay rates rationalised and new rules on career progression that will reduce the cost of training associated with pilots moving between aircraft types,'' Mr Dixon said.
The agreement comes into effect when it is voted on by the Qantas pilots.
Sounds like 3% plus lots of sweetners, but is that for ALL pilots?
Oh, we had a simplified document too .. turned out to be an attempt to sabotage our membership. Read that agreement very carefully. If the numbers add up, well good for you.
We asked for nothing more than a FAIR wage outcome.
The agreement with the Australian International Pilots' Association allows for a 3 per cent yearly wage rise until 2013, and follows 18 months of negotiations.
"This is a significant agreement that locks in the company's 3 per cent per annum wages policy for a further five years,'' Qantas chief executive Geoff Dixon said.
As well, all Qantas pilots will now have part of their remuneration linked to the company's performance.
"Under this new agreement, the difference between the three per cent per annum wage increase and CPI (consumer price index), along with a proportion of overtime payments, will be paid out in a similar way to executive bonuses,'' Mr Dixon said.
The agreement re-writes decades of accumulated employment conditions and rules into one simplified document.
"It finalises the pay arrangements for the launch of the (Airbus) A380 aircraft later this year, with multiple pay rates rationalised and new rules on career progression that will reduce the cost of training associated with pilots moving between aircraft types,'' Mr Dixon said.
The agreement comes into effect when it is voted on by the Qantas pilots.
Sounds like 3% plus lots of sweetners, but is that for ALL pilots?
Oh, we had a simplified document too .. turned out to be an attempt to sabotage our membership. Read that agreement very carefully. If the numbers add up, well good for you.
We asked for nothing more than a FAIR wage outcome.
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"Look, we have no plans to replace our workforce..........."
HAHAHAHAHAHAA...
Guess who said that on a radio interview.....A forked tongued
HAHAHAHAHAHAA...
Guess who said that on a radio interview.....A forked tongued
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Beware our flying friends. The A.L.A.E.A had an in principle agreement with the company too.It was a shame,That when the agreement was to be put into print, That the company decided to change everything in it at the eleventh hour and not actually furnish a document at all.So while letters are given to pax regarding said eba proposals. No lame has actually seen a document
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To All Licensed Aircraft Maintenance Engineers
An In Principal Agreement has been reached on the EBA 8 between Qantas and the ALAEA.
Effective immediately all industrial action will stop and LAME’s should resume work in accordance with normal practice.
We will communicate the terms of this agreement on Monday the 21st of July.
Sue Bussell
Group General Manager
Industrial relations
Qantas Airways Limited
Steve Purvinas
Federal Secretary
Australian Licensed Aircraft Engineers
Association
Enjoy your weekend guys. I know I will. Please don't call the Execs they are tidying a few bits up, announcements Monday.
An In Principal Agreement has been reached on the EBA 8 between Qantas and the ALAEA.
Effective immediately all industrial action will stop and LAME’s should resume work in accordance with normal practice.
We will communicate the terms of this agreement on Monday the 21st of July.
Sue Bussell
Group General Manager
Industrial relations
Qantas Airways Limited
Steve Purvinas
Federal Secretary
Australian Licensed Aircraft Engineers
Association
Enjoy your weekend guys. I know I will. Please don't call the Execs they are tidying a few bits up, announcements Monday.
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Congratulations ALAEA negotiators and those who have
done work towards this.
Lets hope it's a fair and reasonable offer
and goes someway to a feeling of goodwill
once again.
I will reserve my trust of managements offer
until monday.
Have a well earned beer or something.
I will,
done work towards this.
Lets hope it's a fair and reasonable offer
and goes someway to a feeling of goodwill
once again.
I will reserve my trust of managements offer
until monday.
Have a well earned beer or something.
I will,
well done alaea!!
Nice to have good news and yes we will enjoy our weekend.
We have stuck together,maybe not always had the same views or opinions but have shown to all that a fair outcome is all we ever wanted,we have never been greedy and in the end our professionalism has led us to this position.
We have stuck together,maybe not always had the same views or opinions but have shown to all that a fair outcome is all we ever wanted,we have never been greedy and in the end our professionalism has led us to this position.
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Yes Div1, my sentiments exactly. Here's hoping for a fair outcome. Many thanks to the Bexley boys for the many sleepless nights this has caused them. Have a ripper of a night guys.
Thanks also to my LAME brothers who were putting in the hard yards. What doesnt kill you makes you stronger!
Thanks also to my LAME brothers who were putting in the hard yards. What doesnt kill you makes you stronger!
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Congratulations and well done SP and co. There will be a case of beer coming to Bexley for you guys and girls! Here's hoping the inprinciple agreement makes it onto paper the same as it was agreed upon!
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Congratulations Bexley!
however, its not over until we see it in all it's glory and vote it in. Remember the devil is in the detail and we all know what QF can do after an in-principle agreement is reached.
Let's not take our eyes off the ball at such a crucial time...........
But I reckon the ALAEA Exec's wouldn't agree to anything unless it was a hellova lot better than the crap deal previously offered
D4
however, its not over until we see it in all it's glory and vote it in. Remember the devil is in the detail and we all know what QF can do after an in-principle agreement is reached.
Let's not take our eyes off the ball at such a crucial time...........
But I reckon the ALAEA Exec's wouldn't agree to anything unless it was a hellova lot better than the crap deal previously offered
D4
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Bla Bla Bla!
40ish meetings, word of another in principal agreement, and the champagne corks pop. Sorry boys, party on without me. Talk about coming in your pants before the trousers are even off. This broad is one hell of a teaser. Even if its 10%, I don't know if I care any more. The ALAEA exec's should be championed forever considering their efforts and sacrifice. Lets break the finish line first. Then sprinkle the ticker tape.
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Hate to play devils advocate
We have been at this stage many times before. To no avail.
As someone said its all in the detail of the document.
The big problem I see is that I and I presume many others still despise and detest all those whom inhabit the "Bunker". They are the people responsible for the mess we now have to live in.
While they are still in place for mine, nothing has changed.
The same procedures the same daily BS will still be there, and therefore by definition we will be still on a "go slow" if we adhere to them, which we must.
Can see it now, LAME still on go slow reneging on agreement.
Call me doubting Thomas but i foresee a very shallow victory
On another point
The self praise and back slapping since the FED SEC last post is laughable verging on appalling.
Its not over till its over, or from the Fed Secs favorite read, See your enemies bodies floating down a river.
Lets stay profffesional as my personal bans are still in place until I see the cash in my pay slip.
FOM FOC
We have been at this stage many times before. To no avail.
As someone said its all in the detail of the document.
The big problem I see is that I and I presume many others still despise and detest all those whom inhabit the "Bunker". They are the people responsible for the mess we now have to live in.
While they are still in place for mine, nothing has changed.
The same procedures the same daily BS will still be there, and therefore by definition we will be still on a "go slow" if we adhere to them, which we must.
Can see it now, LAME still on go slow reneging on agreement.
Call me doubting Thomas but i foresee a very shallow victory
On another point
The self praise and back slapping since the FED SEC last post is laughable verging on appalling.
Its not over till its over, or from the Fed Secs favorite read, See your enemies bodies floating down a river.
Lets stay profffesional as my personal bans are still in place until I see the cash in my pay slip.
FOM FOC
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Yes well done , but by no means is it nearly over . Remember a while ago when we had then at their knees with some bans and had a agreement and the bans were lifted and everyone went crazy on the available O/T only to clear all outstanding osip and overruns and holds . Then with fresh planes guess who changed their tune and we folded.
So yes well done but far from over !!!!!! Be smart think with your head and not with $$$$ Look at long term not short term gain. The O/T will still be there once voted in , lets not reset the clock for them .
So yes well done but far from over !!!!!! Be smart think with your head and not with $$$$ Look at long term not short term gain. The O/T will still be there once voted in , lets not reset the clock for them .