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Griffy, I'll do my best.
Not sure about this one, but I am sure someone will know details.
I beleive it is fairly high, with only very few people dropping the course or being let go due to various reasons. I think most people understand the opportunity they have been given, and therefore give it everything they have to do well. If you make it through the course, all cadets SHOULD be offered CIPP positions, depending on recruitment and what not at the time.
Are you talking about the cadetship of the university side of the program? If its the uni work you are talking about, then its entirely up to the faculty/university, but most places seem to work something out with the students.
I am sure someone knows more than I do, but hopefully this cures your thirst for some info for the time being
mins
1. for the Qantas Swinburne bachelor of aviation, i heard that 2nd to 3rd year uni students are offered places in the cadetship. if this is true, does any1 know is it only the best students are offered places depending on spaces available due to dropouts?how many places are offered and do they approach u or u have to go and apply for it?
2. what are the pass rate for cadets? do most of them pass into the workplacement program or only the top cadets go through?
3. can u minimise your time spent in the course by continuing classes during holiday breaks as a cadet? i know that normal uni students are offered the choice to finish faster by going to them.
I am sure someone knows more than I do, but hopefully this cures your thirst for some info for the time being
mins
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So if you really wanted to be pilot why didn't you go out there and give it a go?? Sure it might have taken time and if QF called you up in the meantime then you haven't lost anything?
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A lot of stories floating around atm...I don't want to give too much away because anybody who knows me will work it out quickly.
-You can get through the psych and skills testing with bugger all practice. Admittedly I was already a PPL holder the few times I did those tests, but in prep for the psych testing all I did was the questions in the pamphlet you can download the recruitment website.
-From experience, interviews vary greatly. One interview I was asked a whole heap of aviation questions and some with regards Qantas (make sure you know who the chief pilot and possibly his assistant are!). Another interview I was only asked about scenarios I had been in in which I had conflict and how I resolved it. (That can be hard if you're like me and just deal with a situation without agression)
-Make sure if you get selected you speak up. You're paying for it, if you're not getting what you need try and get it. Especially if you are going for level 2.
-For whomever asked it, I believe there was 7 started the latest QF course at FTA. Will it stay that way, that is the question...
-People don't, and won't look at you as special for getting the course. Harping on about it in post job interviews won't necessarily help you. If you end up on the street looking for work (been there) the only real interest is that you have ATPL Subjects and MECIR.
-Budget for extra costs too. FTA's (and I imagine GFS') course doesn't include ASL exams which are something in the vicinity of $1500. You're going to spend money on food too, that's a given. So give yourself budget there and make sure you have spending money to visit places, buy stuff like DVDs or what have you.
Has anyone heard whether the new QF course at FTA will be flying the BE-76 or DA-42?
-You can get through the psych and skills testing with bugger all practice. Admittedly I was already a PPL holder the few times I did those tests, but in prep for the psych testing all I did was the questions in the pamphlet you can download the recruitment website.
-From experience, interviews vary greatly. One interview I was asked a whole heap of aviation questions and some with regards Qantas (make sure you know who the chief pilot and possibly his assistant are!). Another interview I was only asked about scenarios I had been in in which I had conflict and how I resolved it. (That can be hard if you're like me and just deal with a situation without agression)
-Make sure if you get selected you speak up. You're paying for it, if you're not getting what you need try and get it. Especially if you are going for level 2.
-For whomever asked it, I believe there was 7 started the latest QF course at FTA. Will it stay that way, that is the question...
-People don't, and won't look at you as special for getting the course. Harping on about it in post job interviews won't necessarily help you. If you end up on the street looking for work (been there) the only real interest is that you have ATPL Subjects and MECIR.
-Budget for extra costs too. FTA's (and I imagine GFS') course doesn't include ASL exams which are something in the vicinity of $1500. You're going to spend money on food too, that's a given. So give yourself budget there and make sure you have spending money to visit places, buy stuff like DVDs or what have you.
Has anyone heard whether the new QF course at FTA will be flying the BE-76 or DA-42?
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quote: 1. for the Qantas Swinburne bachelor of aviation, i heard that 2nd to 3rd year uni students are offered places in the cadetship. if this is true, does any1 know is it only the best students are offered places depending on spaces available due to dropouts?how many places are offered and do they approach u or u have to go and apply for it?
I'm doing the Swinburne one next year griffy, after failing the Qantas cadet ship stage two assessments. At the information night there was a tiny hint at the prospect of standard Swinburne aviation students being able to branch into the cadetship. I also know that there is absoluetely no difference between the Qantas Bachelor of Aviation 3 year cadetship and the stndard Swinburne course. The Qantas cadets do everything with the Swinburne students. As I am assuming that Qantas closely monitors it's cadets' progress, the Swinburne students would inadvertantly come into contact with Qantas recruitment. If you do the Swinburne course you can offset $83000 of the quoted $88000 (upon choosing instructor rating) course fee. If you do the cadetship, you are still up for somewhere around $50000 worth of upfront payments. Ill also point out that the training company General Flying Services is now also a branch of Oxford Aviation Academy, which I believe have a pretty good rep in the aviation world.
Might see ya next year ay?
I'm doing the Swinburne one next year griffy, after failing the Qantas cadet ship stage two assessments. At the information night there was a tiny hint at the prospect of standard Swinburne aviation students being able to branch into the cadetship. I also know that there is absoluetely no difference between the Qantas Bachelor of Aviation 3 year cadetship and the stndard Swinburne course. The Qantas cadets do everything with the Swinburne students. As I am assuming that Qantas closely monitors it's cadets' progress, the Swinburne students would inadvertantly come into contact with Qantas recruitment. If you do the Swinburne course you can offset $83000 of the quoted $88000 (upon choosing instructor rating) course fee. If you do the cadetship, you are still up for somewhere around $50000 worth of upfront payments. Ill also point out that the training company General Flying Services is now also a branch of Oxford Aviation Academy, which I believe have a pretty good rep in the aviation world.
Might see ya next year ay?
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ooooh, interesting damo1089!
yea i might do the bachelor course at uni either next year or the year after lol. i missed out this years cadetship interview so ill guess ill see how things go!
yea i might do the bachelor course at uni either next year or the year after lol. i missed out this years cadetship interview so ill guess ill see how things go!
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Been watching this thread for a while, I am a first year Swinburne aviation degree student, so from my experience here is some facts and advice:
According to the course planner which is on the password protected Swinburne student site the Associate Degree Qantas Cadets continue flying training and theory class through all holiday breaks, in order to finish in 18 months. The 3 year course cadets and other aviation students do not as many of the aviation subjects are not offered during the holiday breaks and so they are in it for the full 3 years.
Being a Swinburne student does not give you any advantage over anyone else when it comes to the cadetship. Even though the degree students and the 3 year cadets do the same subjects there is no link up, and you simply can't transfer over. You still have to apply to Qantas over the internet like everyone else, and do all the same testing and interview stages. Several first year students applied for the cadetship, and all failed at either stage 2 or stage 3.
Take this next comment as a peice of advice, not as an attack on yourself. Don't get yourself into the Swinburne degree, simply because it is what the Qantas cadets do. It is a long course and tough one from an academic point of view. You have to do the degree because you want it, not for any other reason. I know this comment sounds dumb, but everyone contemplating the Swinburne course should think long and hard about it. I have seen several guys, all with fantastic piloting skills, struggle in the swiburne course over the year. They will one day make great pilots, but not great academics. The course costs a lot of money in HECS, the uni subjects are expensive and it is vital that you know what you are getting yourself into.
Don't believe anything you hear at the information night. A lot of the figures about there rates of employment after the course are made up. The fact that they have many lecturers from the industry can be a double edged sword. Many of the lecturers know there stuff back to front, and there great guys, but there not teachers and it can make the course quite difficult. There is also next to no help for struggling students.
I hope that I have answered some of the questions posted by other members of this board. Think long and hard before you join Swiburne. Overall it is a good course, but it just doesn't suite some people. Doing it, 'because it's what the Qantas Cadets do', is not a good reason and if you find it is not for you, then you can end up in a large financial hole.
Anyway, if anyone has anymore questions about the course, don't hesitate to ask
3. can u minimise your time spent in the course by continuing classes during holiday breaks as a cadet? i know that normal uni students are offered the choice to finish faster by going to them
1. for the Qantas Swinburne bachelor of aviation, i heard that 2nd to 3rd year uni students are offered places in the cadetship. if this is true, does any1 know is it only the best students are offered places depending on spaces available due to dropouts?how many places are offered and do they approach u or u have to go and apply for it?
At the information night there was a tiny hint at the prospect of standard Swinburne aviation students being able to branch into the cadetship.
I'm doing the Swinburne one next year griffy, after failing the Qantas cadet ship stage two assessments.
At the information night there was...
I hope that I have answered some of the questions posted by other members of this board. Think long and hard before you join Swiburne. Overall it is a good course, but it just doesn't suite some people. Doing it, 'because it's what the Qantas Cadets do', is not a good reason and if you find it is not for you, then you can end up in a large financial hole.
Anyway, if anyone has anymore questions about the course, don't hesitate to ask
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thanks for the info on that vh_bza. I'm still going to do it, and wanted to do it even before I knew that it was the same thing as the three year cadetship. The degree and the academic study involved appeals to and interests me. Anyway, tell me any other flight training courses that allow you to put your flight training on feehelp...
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wow, thanks vh_bza. those words u said made me rethink on what to do, the position im in is similar to damo1089. im interested in the course as well, but does anyone know if deakin or other Uni/TAFEs have the goverment help scheme for aviation courses?
. those words u said made me rethink on what to do, the position im in is similar to damo1089. im interested in the course as well, but does anyone know if deakin or other Uni/TAFEs have the goverment help scheme for aviation courses?
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cadetship quesitons
guys,
this thread has been helpful, i wanted to confirm a few things
1. why is it that you have to pay some 50k cash for the course if its has a hecs offset of 80k??
2. can you guys confirm how many days the course in for swineborne? and also the cadets get to income from qantas during the time in melb?
3. what is the pay like when you move into the industry programe? and would u get paid if you had to wait for placement??
cheers, any help on the above would be great!!!
this thread has been helpful, i wanted to confirm a few things
1. why is it that you have to pay some 50k cash for the course if its has a hecs offset of 80k??
2. can you guys confirm how many days the course in for swineborne? and also the cadets get to income from qantas during the time in melb?
3. what is the pay like when you move into the industry programe? and would u get paid if you had to wait for placement??
cheers, any help on the above would be great!!!
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Can't answer all of those but I can say:
no money unless you are employed by somebody. If you have a "break" between course and CIPP, even if just a few weeks or a year you will not get paid. You will not get paid on your course. As for the pay, depends on who they stick you with for your CIPP (if anyone).
no money unless you are employed by somebody. If you have a "break" between course and CIPP, even if just a few weeks or a year you will not get paid. You will not get paid on your course. As for the pay, depends on who they stick you with for your CIPP (if anyone).
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I'm not 100% sure about this, but I would say the upfront costs on TOP of the deferred $80K is more around $30K. Swinburne has a description of the associate program quoting around $110K for the entire course (hence the additional upfront costs).
As for QF paying the cadets while undergoing training.....I'll let you figure that one out
With regards to CIPP - It all depends on the demand, etc at the time of graduation...some may not even be offered CIPP altogether. QF does not guarantee anything so you have to certain this is the right path for you before spending the $$.
Good luck
As for QF paying the cadets while undergoing training.....I'll let you figure that one out
With regards to CIPP - It all depends on the demand, etc at the time of graduation...some may not even be offered CIPP altogether. QF does not guarantee anything so you have to certain this is the right path for you before spending the $$.
Good luck
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however, working with averages, for CIPP, you will be typically placed in Qlink as a first officer on the standard first officer wages. After you fork out another $10g for your dash 8 rating 
However, the last bunch of cadets to graduate skipped industry placement, so they went straight into long haul QF operations as SOs. Imagine that.. some of those guys would have been 19
However, the last bunch of cadets to graduate skipped industry placement, so they went straight into long haul QF operations as SOs. Imagine that.. some of those guys would have been 19
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The facts are Damo that the current course of QF cadets got no placement into QLink, or any airline for that matter. They are out on the street.
They are unemployed awaiting the call from QF, as did a lot of the cadets of the early 90's.
Keg will elaborate further facts if you wish.
Some will go out and actively seek work, while others will sit around and wait for the call.
The circle of life continues
They are unemployed awaiting the call from QF, as did a lot of the cadets of the early 90's.
Keg will elaborate further facts if you wish.
Some will go out and actively seek work, while others will sit around and wait for the call.
The circle of life continues
Exactly, Hugh.
Nasty game this aviation industry sometimes. The planets are quickly aligning to lead most to believe that the time the cadets will spend in the wilderness during this forthcoming downturn will be long.
All current cadets that were only months from starting the dash work have been shown the reality of the situation first hand.
It's very quickly turning back into the early nineties scenario. No recruitment for a long, long time. ie years, boys and girls.
Nasty game this aviation industry sometimes. The planets are quickly aligning to lead most to believe that the time the cadets will spend in the wilderness during this forthcoming downturn will be long.
All current cadets that were only months from starting the dash work have been shown the reality of the situation first hand.
It's very quickly turning back into the early nineties scenario. No recruitment for a long, long time. ie years, boys and girls.
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A prescribed waiting period is normal.
They probably will only have to wait 6 months or so.
Qantas recruiting will go ahead as normal, pilots are needed for all the new acft that are arriving/on order.
Get your applications in.
They probably will only have to wait 6 months or so.
Qantas recruiting will go ahead as normal, pilots are needed for all the new acft that are arriving/on order.
Get your applications in.
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I'm not sure how you can say that with any confidence YCOY given that the current downturn is without precedent. Surely if passenger numbers (particularly business passengers) decline considerably then cutbacks are inevitable, including reductions in, or delays to aircraft deliveries. Given that airlines were proclaiming a 'pilot shortage' only 5 months ago, I believe that long-term projections by anyone in the current economic situation are naive at best. I don't think there's an airline CEO out there (not even Alan Joyce) who could honestly say where pilot recruitment will be in a year or two.
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Originally Posted by YCOY
A prescribed waiting period is normal.
They probably will only have to wait 6 months or so.
Qantas recruiting will go ahead as normal, pilots are needed for all the new acft that are arriving/on order.
Get your applications in.
They probably will only have to wait 6 months or so.
Qantas recruiting will go ahead as normal, pilots are needed for all the new acft that are arriving/on order.
Get your applications in.