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Hi Garman
Work on the basis of no news is good news.
I went to Mascot for Assessment for the Spring 08 Program, the cut off was 30th June but my assessment was late July. They were just running late!
Good Luck - and make sure you are well prepared (practice cubes!!!!)
Work on the basis of no news is good news.
I went to Mascot for Assessment for the Spring 08 Program, the cut off was 30th June but my assessment was late July. They were just running late!
Good Luck - and make sure you are well prepared (practice cubes!!!!)
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Qantas cadet question
hey guys i've got a couple of questions that are aimed for current/ex cadets so here it goes:
1. for the Qantas Swinburne bachelor of aviation, i heard that 2nd to 3rd year uni students are offered places in the cadetship. if this is true, does any1 know is it only the best students are offered places depending on spaces available due to dropouts?how many places are offered and do they approach u or u have to go and apply for it?
2. what are the pass rate for cadets? do most of them pass into the workplacement program or only the top cadets go through?
3. can u minimise your time spent in the course by continuing classes during holiday breaks as a cadet? i know that normal uni students are offered the choice to finish faster by going to them.
thats all the questions so far and thanks in advance!
1. for the Qantas Swinburne bachelor of aviation, i heard that 2nd to 3rd year uni students are offered places in the cadetship. if this is true, does any1 know is it only the best students are offered places depending on spaces available due to dropouts?how many places are offered and do they approach u or u have to go and apply for it?
2. what are the pass rate for cadets? do most of them pass into the workplacement program or only the top cadets go through?
3. can u minimise your time spent in the course by continuing classes during holiday breaks as a cadet? i know that normal uni students are offered the choice to finish faster by going to them.
thats all the questions so far and thanks in advance!
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Phone Interview?
Hey guys....firstly, good luck to all of you.
Secondly, I received an email this morning from QF wanting me to email back with a preferred time for a 10-15min phone interview. I applied for the Commercial Cadet program about 3-4 months ago. Are any of you able to shed some light on what the phone interview is all about? I mean, is it a "get to know you" call, or do they fire questions etc etc.. thanks!
Secondly, I received an email this morning from QF wanting me to email back with a preferred time for a 10-15min phone interview. I applied for the Commercial Cadet program about 3-4 months ago. Are any of you able to shed some light on what the phone interview is all about? I mean, is it a "get to know you" call, or do they fire questions etc etc.. thanks!
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I think the phone interview is a fairly casual affair. But don't quote me on that. I'm sure someone on here will be able to shed some light. I myself didn't have a phone interview (well, at least they didnt tell me it was a phone interview) but I know some people that did.
I received a phone call after I submitted my app, but it was just some casual questions about my application, and a bit of a chat about the recruitment process.
If I were to offer any advice on a phone interview, it would be to know your application and know a bit about the recruitment process. Have an idea for when you might be available to go down for testing/interviews as well, saves you having to stumble around dates on the phone if they offer it to you.
Hope it helps
mins
I think the phone interview is a fairly casual affair. But don't quote me on that. I'm sure someone on here will be able to shed some light. I myself didn't have a phone interview (well, at least they didnt tell me it was a phone interview) but I know some people that did.
I received a phone call after I submitted my app, but it was just some casual questions about my application, and a bit of a chat about the recruitment process.
If I were to offer any advice on a phone interview, it would be to know your application and know a bit about the recruitment process. Have an idea for when you might be available to go down for testing/interviews as well, saves you having to stumble around dates on the phone if they offer it to you.
Hope it helps
mins
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Things must be pretty bad on the recruitment front at QF / QL.
The latest course of graduating Qantas Commercial Cadets from Parafield have been told 'Don't call us - We'll call you'.......when we know what is happenning with pilot recruitment. In the meantime get a job elsewhere!!!!
They have no industry placements for these guys after them spending $45k on the most expensive instrument rating ever.
I feel for these guys!!!
If you are considering the QF Cadet program - think hard about it cause it seems recruitment are hiding behind the 'no guarantees' spiel at the moment.
Next intake of cadets started this week.
The latest course of graduating Qantas Commercial Cadets from Parafield have been told 'Don't call us - We'll call you'.......when we know what is happenning with pilot recruitment. In the meantime get a job elsewhere!!!!
They have no industry placements for these guys after them spending $45k on the most expensive instrument rating ever.
I feel for these guys!!!
If you are considering the QF Cadet program - think hard about it cause it seems recruitment are hiding behind the 'no guarantees' spiel at the moment.
Next intake of cadets started this week.
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Biggles,
Back in an earlier post you mentioned that a group of cadets skipped the industry placement and went straight to mainline. Are you now saying that for this latest group, there is no industry placement available AND they aren't being offered the same opportunity to go direct to mainline?
I'm about to put in my application for the commercial course so this news is obviously a concern.
Back in an earlier post you mentioned that a group of cadets skipped the industry placement and went straight to mainline. Are you now saying that for this latest group, there is no industry placement available AND they aren't being offered the same opportunity to go direct to mainline?
I'm about to put in my application for the commercial course so this news is obviously a concern.
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No course of cadets has ever not made it into QF, and QF have never used their 'no guarantees' clause on any cadet who has otherwise met all of their requirements. In the event that recruitment slows or is suspended, graduated cadets who've met the requirements of their course (and placement, if applicable) are first cabs off the rank when QF recruit again. In any case, even under the present circumstances, it is highly unlikely that recruitment will completely shut down.
So if you're thinking about applying for it, carry on!
That is all.
So if you're thinking about applying for it, carry on!
That is all.
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Some perspective is probably in order here - firstly, it is not out of the ordinary that graduating cadets not be given industry placements immediately after finishing training. Many previous courses have waited for months for placement to start, with little to no information provided in the mean time. Although this is certainly not ideal for all concerned, everyone got a job in the end. The current group may be waiting a while, but I certainly wouldn't expect that QF will just turn around in the end with a "no guarantees" line (although there are indeed "no guarantees").
On a strict accuracy front, I believe there has been a cadet who completed (and passed) the training course in Melbourne but who was removed from the program and not offered an industry placement. I will not speculate as to reason for that decision here.
QF have never used their 'no guarantees' clause on any cadet who has otherwise met all of their requirements.
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Agreed, Icarus. I'm aware of that particular case (I think), but far from being some sort of arbitrary 'slashing', the company had reasons for doing it, and - rightly or wrongly - it's their trainset, and they can reject who they like, provided it's lawful.
I guess my observation was aimed more generally at those going through, or contemplating the cadetship. If you jump through the hoops, stay out of trouble, and don't turn out to be quite a different person from the one they thought they'd selected, then you have little to fear from the 'no guarantees' clause or any downturn or recruitment suspension, beyond the inconvenience of an employment delay.
I guess my observation was aimed more generally at those going through, or contemplating the cadetship. If you jump through the hoops, stay out of trouble, and don't turn out to be quite a different person from the one they thought they'd selected, then you have little to fear from the 'no guarantees' clause or any downturn or recruitment suspension, beyond the inconvenience of an employment delay.
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Biggles
Any idea how many cadets started the course this week?
A mate I trained with got knocked back for that intake only after his refs were called, qf security checks, and dental records requested. Standard rejection letter. Zero feedback.
Is this unusual for QF HR department?
Any idea how many cadets started the course this week?
A mate I trained with got knocked back for that intake only after his refs were called, qf security checks, and dental records requested. Standard rejection letter. Zero feedback.
Is this unusual for QF HR department?
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Hi Chives
Dunno the numbers but am sure I could find out.
Re the standard rejection letter - this is totally normal irrespective of how far you get. Recruitment will not give an inch if you ring up and try to find out - you get told company policy says ....... blah blah blah.
I also got told that once you get the rejection letter any future applications will not be considered until 12 months have passed. Did your friend's letter say that?
Biggles
Dunno the numbers but am sure I could find out.
Re the standard rejection letter - this is totally normal irrespective of how far you get. Recruitment will not give an inch if you ring up and try to find out - you get told company policy says ....... blah blah blah.
I also got told that once you get the rejection letter any future applications will not be considered until 12 months have passed. Did your friend's letter say that?
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Yes you are correct.
QF22 were told they were going direct to mainline on A330 ops.
few months later...........QF23 have been told no placements at the moment....we'll call you!!
I am aware that historically this has happenned before where there is a 'waiting period' between graduation and placement but all the information on the QF website doesn't mention that this may be the case, it suggests the different phases of the cadetship are practically seamless.
I apologise if my previous post suggested these guys would not get a placement, I am sure they will, my comment regarding no guarantees related to being given a placement immediately on completion of the course.
Biggles
Yes you are correct.
QF22 were told they were going direct to mainline on A330 ops.
few months later...........QF23 have been told no placements at the moment....we'll call you!!
I am aware that historically this has happenned before where there is a 'waiting period' between graduation and placement but all the information on the QF website doesn't mention that this may be the case, it suggests the different phases of the cadetship are practically seamless.
I apologise if my previous post suggested these guys would not get a placement, I am sure they will, my comment regarding no guarantees related to being given a placement immediately on completion of the course.
Biggles
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Nunc est bibendum
Prior to the CIPP cadets have had delays of up to three years. Mine was 2 years, 3 months and 21 days.....but who's counting. Admittedly this was all the way back in '92-95. I guess most of the current cadet applicants were in nappies back then! 
My point is that QF cadet applicants should read these forums regularly and glean from the regular QF contributors to get an idea of the dynamic nature of the industry. Things change. Learn to roll with the punches and to not take it personally and you're setting yourself up for a peaceful and joyful career.
Admittedly this was all the way back in '92-95. I guess most of the current cadet applicants were in nappies back then! My point is that QF cadet applicants should read these forums regularly and glean from the regular QF contributors to get an idea of the dynamic nature of the industry. Things change. Learn to roll with the punches and to not take it personally and you're setting yourself up for a peaceful and joyful career.
Nunc est bibendum
Work in aviation? No. Pilots were falling out of trees and those who had C500 time in their log books from the Australian Aviation College weren't viewed all that highly out in GA land because we 'had our career coming and so we're going to give a go to a kid who needs the hours'. Fair enough i guess.
There was no industry placement back in those days. Four cadets ended up with National Jet and that was organised by QF but that wasn't a formal thing. We heard essentially nothing from QF for 18 months after graduation. At that time they told us to 'forget QF'. If they called in three to five years and we were still available then great. If not then QF admitted that was to be their loss. They took the first cadet two months later and we were all in by the following January. It's a dynamic industry. Things change. Don't expect anything and you won't be disappointed. Being a QF cadet does not give you the right to expect to be treated well by anyone in aviation- and that includes QF.
There was no industry placement back in those days. Four cadets ended up with National Jet and that was organised by QF but that wasn't a formal thing. We heard essentially nothing from QF for 18 months after graduation. At that time they told us to 'forget QF'. If they called in three to five years and we were still available then great. If not then QF admitted that was to be their loss. They took the first cadet two months later and we were all in by the following January. It's a dynamic industry. Things change. Don't expect anything and you won't be disappointed. Being a QF cadet does not give you the right to expect to be treated well by anyone in aviation- and that includes QF.
So if you really wanted to be pilot why didn't you go out there and give it a go?? Sure it might have taken time and if QF called you up in the meantime then you haven't lost anything? I reckon you would have been on the best sure thing in aviation. You had a guaranteed job in QF and you could have had a go in GA with no risk. Wish I had guarantees like that!
I think this is why there is this underlying tension between cadets and non cadets. Non cadets generally have battled hard to get where they are, whereas the cadets maybe just don't want it as bad.
I think this is why there is this underlying tension between cadets and non cadets. Non cadets generally have battled hard to get where they are, whereas the cadets maybe just don't want it as bad.
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