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Old 23rd Mar 2009, 16:08
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It was a 402a when I flew it for him once on a day off from Talair. Same aircraft he later died in. I think he operated a B too at one time.

I have only ever flown a C on one occasion, Richard Leahy's P2-KAA ex Lae when our Talair base 402a was broken and Richard lent us KAA for an RPT to Girua and Gurney.

He most assuredly had a 185 'cause he ground looped it at POM and I had to do some remedial circuits with him when it was fixed at the behest of DCA. In fact I may be why he bought it in the first place...he asked me one day why I liked them so much and I told him...plus they were LOTS cheaper to buy than an equivalent C206.

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Old 23rd Mar 2009, 22:45
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You wouldn't like to hear about poor old KPA then,

Currently on its fifth life...that's four ground loops in its life, only one due to a a wheel hub failure,,,the rest due to just plain LOC.
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LOC, is that like The GLOOT syndrome?
Gross Lack Of Operator Technique??
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Old 24th Mar 2009, 01:59
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Tin and Chuckles; Thanks. Was not aware of that.
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Old 24th Mar 2009, 08:10
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Cessna 402A

Reference the discussion about an "A" or a "C" in the picture, from my memory I thought the "A" models were all short nosed and the "C" were long nose.

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Old 24th Mar 2009, 08:52
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Not quite that simple...pinky and I are not discussing whether the aircraft in the pic is an A or a C but whether Mac Lee had an A or a C. He owned an A and also operated a B at one stage.

Talair had C402s (short nose/round windows/tip tanks) and 402As (long nose/round windows/tip tanks).

C402Bs had long nose/square windows/tip tanks and the 402Cs were essentially, outwardly at least, a B with wet wings.
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Old 24th Mar 2009, 11:21
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He had a PA31 as well. Seem to recall all his aircraft had names painted on the nose like goilala goari (something like that...it was a long time ago)
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Old 24th Mar 2009, 22:14
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That would be the P31 between the Winjeel and the 185 then! You can see the names painted on the front of the aircraft.
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Old 24th Mar 2009, 23:40
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FWIW I did a tiki tour of PNG in '76 in brand new PA31
If you had of tried some of the stuff we pulled off in a 402 you would have been dead meat.
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Old 29th Mar 2009, 23:31
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Just wanted to get the thread back to the front.

Going out in true 'bou style: Yesterday was probably my last oportunity for a 'bou sortie (since I don't do this for a living anymore). But in true 'bou style the aircraft went u/s.

Some crews got sorties in later, when they got it going, but I was at home by then.



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Old 30th Mar 2009, 01:36
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Reference the discussion about an "A" or a "C" in the picture, from my memory I thought the "A" models were all short nosed and the "C" were long nose.
The short nose version is the straight C402.
The C402A, C402B and C402C all had the long nose.
Same applies to the 401 and 401A
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Old 30th Mar 2009, 02:46
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Same applies to the 401 and 401A
I used to fly a 401A with a short nose.... Just to further confuse the issue!
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Old 30th Mar 2009, 02:49
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Only recall there ever being one 402B in PNG, P2-EAA I think, operated by Elomair (remember them?). Don't know what happened to it.
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Old 30th Mar 2009, 03:21
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Itís been many years since I saw a photo of P2-ASI. I flew her for Ray back in 97 for about six months. He later sold her and his other PA60 in the late 90ís after the second was restored to flying condition by Hinterland Engineering in Cairns. Someone told me that on the delivery flight to the US ASI was lost in an accident. You wouldnít happen to know what happened would you?
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Old 30th Mar 2009, 03:43
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I used to fly a 401A with a short nose.... Just to further confuse the issue!
hmmmm, maybe I'm incorrect for the 401

While hunting around for further info I discovered that back in the 70's American Jet Industries obtained an STC to convert 402B's to Allison 250-B17 power.
I always thought such a conversion would be fun on a 310.

Seems AJI also did the Allison conversions on Barons.
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Old 30th Mar 2009, 05:40
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404 Titan no I didn't know that but it does not surprise me in the least...Ray's two deathstars represent approximately 2% of my TT and about 75% of my airborne mechanical 'problems'.

Was it you with me that day I was test flying his other Aerostar, P2-PHC, ex Cairns and massively fluctuating fuel flow on one engine forced a return - to find after shutdown raw fuel sloshing around the bottom of L/H (or R/H can't remember) engine cowl?

Pretty aeroplane but.....
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Chimbu,
P2-NCD at NCA was a 402B
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Old 31st Mar 2009, 10:50
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Long Nose C402A

I can confirm that the C402A had both short and then long nose. At about serial # 60 they started putting the long nose on them. Will stand corrected on wich serial number it started. In any event it was one of the best Cessna twins I ever flew. Would have been perfect with 350 horses per side but alas it was not to be.

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OK, back to the quiz.

What, when, and why?


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