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Old 8th Oct 2012, 08:21
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Not trying to defame you, so you could have got 747 rating for just few hundred dollars! Vow that sounds good PicMas!

I will pretend I believe you on that one!

Point is that all depending on where we are in our career we will look for what chances we have and how the market is!

At moment it is dire, and a lot have changed since you got inside!
USA is not the instructor market it used to be, due to major changes in visa regulations!

Turbo props don't hire low hour pilots here and biz. Prop or Jet have higher requirements to get a job than airlines have.

Every job that gets announced have few thousand applications!

RYR have so many applications that they can be very selective!

The never pay for TR is nice in an ideal world, but I notice more and more TRTOs are run by pilots, from majors!
Hmm isn't this than a bit ironic!

Lo Co companies will never take over the market, they have increased the demand for pilots over the years, now people either gain few thousand hours and move on to majors or they stay and get their command!

Your approach is to attack the weakest, and again it will never happen, the majors are more than happy to take a RYR pilot who has done 4 sectors a day, with loads of airline experience!

The idea that let the company go bust unless we get what we want is also selfish, I know Spanair pilots with over 10000 hours who can't get a job, because experience on wrong type!

It's tough out there for everybody, and you see for yourself, you also so high and allmighty considered to pay for your own TR if the situation was just right!

You are a hypocrit PicMas! That's the truth!
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Old 8th Oct 2012, 12:50
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It's nice how you're all going at each others throats. Probably just want the airlines want these days. As long as the pilots are fighting each other, then there's no worry of any united front being presented.

The fact of the matter is that, no matter how many people you try to stop from doing P2F, pay for type rating, pay for training, there will be hundreds more you can't stop.
Of course it's a bad thing, it's the single most idiotic thing existing in this industry for pilots right now (at least imo), but is the right way to go about it to attack the low-time pilots who choose this option? Imo no.

The only way to really change this, is to change the rules/regulations, to safeguard a minimum of T&Cs, and/or strengthen the pilot unions to be able to stand against it. The problem lies in the fact that, if one union in one company is able to force the company to stop, it wont really matter when 2 other companies have managed to throw out any unions, and are by that 10x as competitive in pricing, causing the other companies to go belly up either way.

You can sit here and shout at all the low timers accepting lower and lower pays, accepting P2F, accepting type ratings, but it's not going to stop it.

But to stop myself from regurgitating what has been said already, I'll just stop here.
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Old 8th Oct 2012, 14:43
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I don’tthink there’s anything wrong with any of you personally or professionally nomatter where you work or what type of entry into the business you did.

What socalled major airlines have the most problems with today is lowering their cost.A contribution to make a lower difference in cost between them and the lowcostairlines is the following: Train young pilots yourself and don’t employ fromlowcost. This will, even if it takes time, higher the cost of lowcost airlines.It also will bring turmoil into these airlines, sooner or later pilots will befed up by nickels and dimes. Even the young guys without family and house,hoping for an eventually better post will be fed up after some years.

This is notmy opinion but I believe this is one the arguments why “major” airlines traintheir own pilots. And I believe this practice will increase.

I alsobelieve this is a good argument that all pilots no matter where you come from,needs to stand together. It will hinder the “major” airline pilots to sink tolow cost level and it will hinder the “low cost” pilots from being stuck withnickels and dimes.
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Old 8th Oct 2012, 20:36
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Terms are only controlled by guys with a job, they sets up a companies training standards!
WRONG! Terms are controlled by supply and demand. When there is a long queue of scabs willing to pay for jobs, terms get worse. Likewise when these wannabe pilots run out of cash to pay for more flying, terms improve. It's rather easy.
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Old 9th Oct 2012, 07:57
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However as some others are here, branding other colleagues, pilots, calling them scabs because they work for companies such as RYR or Norwegian is out of order!
It is in my opinion clear that the pilots in the comfy seats today, are just to comfortable to want to start a revolution, make a stand, and say that the new recruits should be offered similar conditions as the ones already in the company!
Well, most of the pilots in NF were ready to support our fellow pilots in DY last time. But that didnt happen did it?? Everyone was prepared to go all the way and take a stand!! But it was not the NF pilots that gave up, was it??
So your quote about pilots in the comfy seat not ready to start a revolution, is quite wrong my friend
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Old 9th Oct 2012, 11:44
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truckflyer, how are you not "P2F", when you just bought a typerating?
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Old 9th Oct 2012, 12:19
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Does a military pilot pay his checkout on a c-130?
Does a cruiseship officer pay his checkout on the QE2?
Does a doctor pay his checkout on the hospitals equipment?
Do traindrivers, heavy equipment handlers, nurses, astronauts, oilworkers etc. Pay.......

If you pay, you pay to work. Period. The rest is just semantics. Dont be naive!
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Old 9th Oct 2012, 13:42
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Back in the days I believe the airlines paid for all your training.
Are you p2f if you pay for your CPL? I mean, we should all just stand together until the airlines finance all our training again, right?
Are the guys flying around in C152s to gain experience/hours p2f? I mean, they're basically just bleeding thousands of dollars to improve their resume?
Are the guys accepting ultra low salary in the USA p2f?

Imo p2f starts when you pay to work. I.e paying to sit in a seat, where a paid pilot should be sitting.
Naivety seems to reside mostly with you guys. Paying for airplane specific training has been around for a long time now, and is not going to leave unless the supply of pilots take a major plunge.
I don't condone p2f in my own definition listed above, and would never pay 40k to work for someone like Lion Air. However I would pay for a type rating if offered a job.
You usually pay through reduced salary anyway, so why not just pay up front.
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Old 9th Oct 2012, 15:22
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TF,
Let me confuse you with some facts!

YES, you do pay to fly. A few years ago the airlines found it lucrative to let the newhires pay for their typeratings, enabling them to keep ticketprices low. People like you finance our €29 Alicante tickets.
YOU are financing the airlines low fares.
Me and my fellow aviators never payed a dime for our typeratings (I have 6). The passengers payed them.
You sold out, not me!
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Old 9th Oct 2012, 15:28
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TF,
Ofcourse The taxpayers pay for the C-130 pilots typerating. HE IS EMPLOYED BY THEM!
Cant say the same for the Ryanair FO.
Why is that so hard to understand
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Old 9th Oct 2012, 17:29
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I have decided to delete my participation in this thread, the attacks and assumed motives are rapidly exceeding my threshold of tolerance.

Last edited by PicMas; 9th Oct 2012 at 18:41.
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Old 9th Oct 2012, 18:01
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Picmas;
You sound like the moralist among moralists. I first assumed you were ex raf and been arround in this bussiness for ages. If so, I would partly understand your anger, but.....you HAVEN'T!!

From many of your previous posts it appears that you are 33 years old and been in WF for less than 1,5 years. I hope you don't share your hostile attitude with your colleagues in Wf.
I can tell for sure that the majority of them DON'T share your hostile attitude towards low rang " low cost pilots". I do agree that what's going on in DY is a disgrace and has to be stopped. However, the guys that have been in the company for years are on quite good deals and many of them are ex sas, braathens, wf, raf etc. I guess from your Ivory tower you are considering them as the same low level pilots as the rest?
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Old 9th Oct 2012, 19:03
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What happen PicMas?

Did you feel the heat coming to close to home?

Not sure, but can't be to many guys from Denmark in Wideroe!

By the way, an excellent company!
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Old 9th Oct 2012, 19:05
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TF, hvis forstanden din er like dårlig som engelsken er det jaggu ikke rart det tok 43 år før du fikk kjøpt deg pilotjobb
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Old 9th Oct 2012, 20:00
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Goldenbawls!

Artig, dersom du har problem med Engelsken min, saa er det vel heller du som har problem med aa forstaa Engelsk!

Gidder ikke mere PPRuNe skitkasting - bortkasta tid!

Jeg har en jobb aa forbrede meg til, en jobb hvor jeg faar betalt for aa fly, kan ikke klage paa! Selv om det tok meg 43 aar!

Tenk deg noe annet, jeg gjennomforte PPL/CPL / ME/IR /MCC ute ei krone i gjeld!
Og jeg fikk jobb garanti/kontrakt for jeg startet TR, som ogsaa har blitt gjort uten ekstra gjeld!

Men for noen av oss i denne verden, som har bodd i utlandet mesteparten av livet, saa har vi sett hva resten av verden har aa tilby, og funnet ut at Norge er ikke saa ille likevel!

Hva fremtida bringer vet vi ikke, men at de som er "old school" eller for fattige til aa betale sin egen TR, skal angripe de av oss som har vaert flinke til aa opparbeide oss langsomt, uten aa sette kniven paa strupen med gjeld osv., syntes jeg er rikt!

De fleste "old school" - har ingen kontakt lengre paa bakkenivaaet i bransjen! De tror de vet alt, fordi de gjorde ting paa sin egen maate i fortida, desverre har verden endret seg enormt de siste 5 -10 aar!

Som tidligere bedrifts eier, hvor jeg hadde til tider mange ansatte/ og kontrakts personell, saa er det helt klart at jeg saa store fordeler for mitt eget firma med kontrakts personell, spesielt pga de store arbeidsgiver avgifter og sosial stonader man har i Norge!

Helt klart at den Norske staten er ogsaa veldig graadig, og for at ting skal lose seg, saa maa det ogsaa en politisk vilje til for aa gjore Norske bedrifter mere konkuranse dyktige!

Men jeg gidder ikke aa begynne paa dette, fordi for noen saa er det umulig her aa holde en saklig debatt, og prove aa finne svar/losninger, istedet for flere splider/strider mellom de ulike gruppene innenfor det samme yrket!

Jeg er UTROLIG takknemlig for jobben jeg har faatt, hvor jeg faar betalt under linjetrening osv. Desverre vi kan ikke faa alt vi onsker med engang, men naar til og med noen saa "dum som meg" har klart aa faa seg jobb, saa er det haap for alle!

Ikke sant Goldenbawules!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 9th Oct 2012, 22:07
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Trucker, Jeg tror du bare er en "Net-Troller" jeg!
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Old 9th Oct 2012, 22:40
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Vel jeg legger ikke skjul paa at jeg vil veldig gjerne jobbe for Norwegian i fremtiden, saa faar vi se hva som skjer!

Hvem vet, mange troll i Norge for tiden virker det som!
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Old 9th Oct 2012, 23:21
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So if you type yourself at a normal school/TRTO, where the "profits" do not go to an airline, is it still p2f? Or where does the p2f limit go for you guys?
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Old 10th Oct 2012, 12:14
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I am worried about the latent CRM issues with this too!

My friend applied WF, now currently with RyR, would he be met by such hostile attitude as PicMas has shown here?
Just because he previously worked for RyR?
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Old 10th Oct 2012, 13:23
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Is PicMas with WF? Didn't know that!
To answer your Q; anyone meeting the credentials is welcome to apply. The process is debated in aborter thread, so I won't bring it up now. If accepted, and all requirements are met, the applicant will (at some time in the future...) be contacted with a starting date and a contract for permanent employment (yes, permanent) and further details. The applicant is considered a WF employee from day 1, and is treated accordingly. You ask if, e.g. FR or DY pilots (former) are treated differently than others? Absolutely not. We are all colleagues who work together (not split/divided), with mutual respect, and have a great time doing it. There are a lot of pilots with various backgrounds who apply to WF. Some make it and some don't. Including the FR and DY pilots you mention.
There is nothing wrong with pilots seeking to better their TCs. This should really go without saying. Back in the day, pilots would aim for the big jets (747) for their career goals. Big jets = big bucks and favorable nightstops. Pilots put in the work, did their time, and finally made it (not all, but some - to keep the dream alive for the newbies). Nowadays everyone still has the same dream, but everyone is so afraid of getting bypassed that they pay their way up the ladder. Problem is, this isn't the same ladder. The bar has been raised, cashwise, for employment (which for all practical purposes isn't a complete employment package), thus bringing the TCs down. Now, legacy airlines (mind I did not say majors), struggle to compete with LoCos on many of the same routes, but having quite inferior (and often totally unacceptable conditions for the seasoned pilot) TCs. That's one battlefront. Another one is the competition with the ME airlines who fly around with governmentsponsored fuel. And now, BK wants the Norwegian government to change the rules regarding crew nationalitites (cabincrew to begin with) so he can keep pressing TCs further down the drain.
So please tell me, how far is far enough? When has the rubbel band been stretched far enough, and where/when will it snap? What is your own role in this game?
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