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NutLoose 26th April 2023 14:12

Though as in the comments, decoy? It looks like a lot of wood flying about after the hit.



Beamr 26th April 2023 15:30

Mig-31 crashed in Murmansk. That's one less to be used to bomb civilians. Good.



Wokkafans 26th April 2023 19:48

The French reportedly delaying delivery of munitions to Ukraine, demanding they be manufactured in the EU, despite insufficient facilities to do so.

"EU ambassadors tonight failed yet again on joint purchases of ammunition for Ukraine as France is refusing to budge on its demand for the ammunition to only be produced in the EU. Poland leads a coalition of countries that has had enough of France’s games"

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langleybaston 26th April 2023 20:57

That makes me sort of Polish.

I suspect France has no concept of "the greater good" transcending local matters.

NutLoose 27th April 2023 01:35

Wow!!

A remote controlled supposed Ukrainian loitering Torpedo with a 1200KM range. That will rid the Black Sea of Russian launch platforms and possibly hit their ports both in Crimea and Russia if true. Range looks erm large but looking at it , the bottom does appear to have a fitting for a bolt on… ballast / fuel tank etc?


NutLoose 27th April 2023 03:30

Everyone should listen to this guy.


NutLoose 27th April 2023 03:43

Transltion.

Latest video of a
Flakpanzer Gepard 1A2 with kill markings. The old girl can still do it



India Four Two 27th April 2023 03:56


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 11426389)
Everyone should listen to this guy.

Absolutely remarkable.

NutLoose 27th April 2023 04:11

Just so damned nice :)

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fdr 27th April 2023 04:41


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 11426199)
Which is why all the Oligarchs are looking at their own PMC's as they can see the writing on the wall.
IMHO several things point to a general breakdown.

1/
The Russian Army, their general powerbase is no longer as it was and probably would struggle to defend the outlying states from insurrection and dissent, along with their overseas commitments such as Syria etc.
2/
Their budget is in tatters, funding a war that it looks like they can no longer afford, their main earners in Gas and Oil a shadow of its former self and with that other large earner, Nuclear energy to also be hit by sanctions, it will get worse. Militarily, I do not think they will have the budget to replace their material losses any time soon..
3/
Conscription, the way it was handled was woofully inept, engineers, those responsible in key infrastructure, heating, power, water, food, production etc were whisked off the streets and sent to be slaughtered in their thousands decimating the factories and infrastructure required to run the Country back home, people that will take two generations to replace.
4/
Police, the latest to be conscripted from the likes of Moscow, meaning a rise in crime, and with the returning prisoners released for serving in Ukraine, a larger criminal base of trained and possibly armed thugs released from prison and finding a lack of police to keep a lid on things.
5/
Conscripted youth slaughtered on the fields of Ukraine for what, Putins vanity, meaning those jobs I mentioned in three will have to skip 2 generations, as the youth that would have filled them is also gone, meaning the generation after them will need to take their place.
6/
High end skills, such as in computing, finance, etc, lost to the country when those with the funds, saw the writing on the wall and fled early on, probably never to return.
7/
Finally, a Country now cut off from the world by just about everyone they used to trade with, who will not wish to trade with nor operate in Russia for a significant time into the future. A Country that is a pariah in the world and far from strengthening it's place and position in the World, has destroyed it and the myth that the Russian Military once had, they have bolstered the Wests resolve and brought NATO back together bigger and stronger than before as no one could have envisioned, and strengthened the cooperation of European countries and the USA.


Hard to argue that Putin hasn't achieved the destruction of the "Nazi regime", he just got the flag wrong. Destruction of Russia's conventional arms and economy in one single hit is worthy of an enduring memory. Pity that innocent people were harmed by Putins need for validation. Would have thought having more loot than any other despot in recent history was a good reason to keep a low profile.

The growth of PMCs puts Russia back to the future for being a failed state overseen by robber barons. Their neighbours have long memories of the kindness shown in the past by Moscow, the wheels are coming off the wagon.

ramble on 27th April 2023 07:55


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 11426389)
Everyone should listen to this guy.



https://youtu.be/d2txQOzZgHc

Dave is a lion heart!

Wokkafans 27th April 2023 09:08

Very grim conditions at the front line - footage of 3rd Assault Brigade soldiers storming the trenches near Bakhmut under heavy fire.

Caution - contains images of corpses

https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFoota...eb2x&context=3

Beamr 27th April 2023 12:31

I'll tell you, this is just the tip of the ice berg. Just one colonel at one depot. Then multiply by the number of staff at every garrison, warehouse and depot.
This is good.



Sue Vêtements 27th April 2023 13:22


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 11426373)
Wow!!

A remote controlled supposed Ukrainian loitering Torpedo with a 1200KM range. That will rid the Black Sea of Russian launch platforms and possibly hit their ports both in Crimea and Russia if true. Range looks erm large but looking at it , the bottom does appear to have a fitting for a bolt on… ballast / fuel tank etc?



https://twitter.com/NOELreports/stat...C-8Z7wwOotAAAA

That's a strange picture: Just stick the thing on some rickety old table with about 49% of the weight overhanging the edge, then when someone accidentally bumps into the table they look over their shoulder as it starts to fall and think "I hope it's not a live one"

FUMR 27th April 2023 13:28

There's a news item on the BBC with Ukrainian forces claiming a lack of ammo on the front. Hmm, not sure what to make of that. If true it wouldn's seem prudent to make the fact known.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65347835


Wokkafans 27th April 2023 13:44


Originally Posted by FUMR (Post 11426596)
There's a news item on the BBC with Ukrainian forces claiming a lack of ammo on the front. Hmm, not sure what to make of that. If true it wouldn's seem prudent to make the fact known.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65347835


Perhaps it's to apply pressure to the French because of their stance here?

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Wokkafans 27th April 2023 13:52

Claimed to be footage of Ukraine using the Advanced Precision Kill Weapon System (APKWS). Impressive accuracy hitting the comms tower at the end of the clip.

System info: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanc..._Weapon_System




PPRuNeUser45738 27th April 2023 14:07


Originally Posted by Beamr (Post 11426576)
I'll tell you, this is just the tip of the ice berg. Just one colonel at one depot. Then multiply by the number of staff at every garrison, warehouse and depot.
This is good.

https://twitter.com/ChrisO_wiki/stat...94541503913985

is one of the tank engines called Thomas?

and how do you steal one without notice?….

NutLoose 27th April 2023 14:14

Russian defensive positions built on top of the reactors at the Zaporizhzhya Nuclear Power Plant. Come the time I don't know why they don't simply surround it and starve them out.


NutLoose 27th April 2023 14:17

Meanwhile downtown Moscow no doubt causing some concern




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