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Video Mixdown 27th April 2023 14:24


Originally Posted by sangiovese. (Post 11426608)
how do you steal one without notice?….

By giving everyone else their cut of the take for either helping or looking the other way.

NutLoose 27th April 2023 14:28

Russia's Deputy Defence Minister has been removed



NutLoose 27th April 2023 14:37

Home to the simple things in life.


Mogwi 27th April 2023 14:39


Originally Posted by FUMR (Post 11426596)
There's a news item on the BBC with Ukrainian forces claiming a lack of ammo on the front. Hmm, not sure what to make of that. If true it wouldn's seem prudent to make the fact known.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65347835

Ammo is rather like fuel; the only time you can have too much is when you are on fire!

Mog

fdr 27th April 2023 15:02


Originally Posted by Mogwi (Post 11426626)
Best way! 🙂

The Colonel should be promoted for saving the lives of 7 tank crews and for allowing for 7 tanks to be re allocated to guarding Russias eastern borders as China does its maths on recovering Chinese territory stolen by Russia. Xi would be rubbing his hands in glee for Putin presenting such an easy option to regain historical lands of the greater China region, which happens to include Sakhalin, Vladivostok.... and other nice spots on the map. Voldemort needs more than 7 engines to hold only the territory in his game of Risk, it's now Xi's turn.

The saving of Ukrainian ATGW's is also desirable, as is the removal of the CO2 that the T-90's emit in running away from Ukrainian defenders and when they enter the turret toss competition, the CO2 emissions from the SSTO attempts is mitigated. All in all a win-win.

Now, if Ukraine wanted to cause more havoc, they should offer additional rewards for more engines from the KAMAZ, Armata and other sundry items, including Su-25, Su-35 engines, or at least their compressor blades, they can be mailed to Kyiv... Firing pins would suffice.

jolihokistix 27th April 2023 15:13

Xi has seen the poor performance of the ‘mighty’ Russian army and finally called Zelenskiyy, acknowledging the emerging reality that China will need to be ready to deal with Ukraine because they actually might win this thing.

NutLoose 27th April 2023 15:32

Update on what's been delivered for the offensive.



Lonewolf_50 27th April 2023 16:32

Some Aviation content.
Chilling Show of Strength: Vladimir Putin Sends Two Nuke Bombers Over the Baltic Sea in Tense Standoff With UK (msn.com)

TU-160 flying over the Baltic.

Ninthace 27th April 2023 16:49


It has been reported that two Russian Tu-160 nuclear bombers, known as White Swans, were seen skimming UK airspace, accompanied by a MiG-31 fighter, in a 14-hour mission.
Can a Mig 31 and Tu-160s operate for 14 hours without tanking?

NutLoose 27th April 2023 17:05

Some more on Dave the evacuation driver.

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Sue Vêtements 27th April 2023 17:52


Originally Posted by sangiovese. (Post 11426608)
is one of the tank engines called Thomas?

and how do you steal one without notice?….

. . . and what do you do with them once you've stolen them?

ORAC 27th April 2023 18:09

GAME CHANGER!!!!

if you don’t have a Russian passport and are in occupied Ukraine you will be jailed and or deported starting 1 july 2024, most will not qualify for citizenship.

From reports, deportations have started, but this makes it official.

tdracer 27th April 2023 18:21

Interesting take on the new Russian 'Armata' tanks:

Russia Finally Sends T-14 Armata Tanks to Ukraine « Lawrence Person's BattleSwarm Blog

Seems they will still have the turret altitude competition, but this time the crew will have a chance to survive:

The T-14 tank has an unmanned turret, with crew remotely controlling the armaments from “an isolated armoured capsule located in the front of the hull.”
Problem being, if the auto-loader jams or malfunctions (which apparently it is prone to do), the crew can't access it to unjam it.:confused:​​​​​​​

ORAC 27th April 2023 19:03

Looks like a video of the use of Advanced Precision Kill Weapon Systems (APKWS) by 🇺🇦. APKWS has a semi-active laser guidance system and is a modified 70-mm Hydra 70 unguided missile. Judging by the landscape, it is used somewhere in the Kherson region.

https://t.me/operativnoZSU/93410​​​​​​​

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...an-actually-do

DaveReidUK 27th April 2023 19:04


Originally Posted by Lonewolf_50 (Post 11426690)

"... over the Baltic Sea near Britain".

Hmmm.

Video Mixdown 27th April 2023 19:26


Originally Posted by Sue Vêtements (Post 11426729)
. . . and what do you do with them once you've stolen them?

I imagine he will have had a customer lined up. This was not some isolated opportunistic theft - it seems to be the way all of ruZZian society works.

NutLoose 27th April 2023 21:35

A Ukrainian pilot explaining why the F16 is the preferred choice over the Mirage or Eurofighter, and interesting comment on the Eurofighter that has to have relevance to the U.K. and fellow operators is he does not think that in use in Ukraine the supply of spares would be able to keep up with the demands the Ukrainian airforce would require in combat. That does not bode well f we ever come up against a similar adversary.

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tdracer 27th April 2023 21:41


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 11426805)
A Ukrainian pilot explaining why the F16 is the preferred choice over the Mirage or Eurofighter, and interesting comment on the Eurofighter that has to have relevance to the U.K. and fellow operators is he does not think that in use in Ukraine the supply of spares would be able to keep up with the demands the Ukrainian airforce would require in combat. That does not bode well f we ever come up against a similar adversary.

Hopefully this is all being carefully monitored and studied by the military planner types in all the "western" countries. It's already been demonstrated that our reserves of various munitions are seriously lacking.
Perhaps some good can come out of this clusterf:mad: if it can both rid us of the curse of Putin, and leave us properly prepared for the next despot that decides they want to expand their empire...

fdr 27th April 2023 23:52


Originally Posted by tdracer (Post 11426808)
Hopefully this is all being carefully monitored and studied by the military planner types in all the "western" countries. It's already been demonstrated that our reserves of various munitions are seriously lacking.
Perhaps some good can come out of this clusterf:mad: if it can both rid us of the curse of Putin, and leave us properly prepared for the next despot that decides they want to expand their empire...


Freedom is not free. If the west wants to safeguard it's borders from the neo-empire egos such as Putin has shown himself to be, then adequate capability needs to be available to meet a rapidly escalating risk, and arguably, even the USA is falling down on that score. At a time that China is adding more carriers and blue water capability, the US response is to scrap 2 of their well proven carriers. Right now, that should be reconsidered. I understand that the maintenance cycle and refuelling will be a factor in that decision, but it is time that the refuelling was conducted as a modular system to permit rapid return to service of these fleet assets. Hulls loose thickness over time, but these ships are still young.

fineline 28th April 2023 02:57

Would be interested in Karaya's thoughts on F18 as another option. This was posted on the old version of this thread:

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...ven-to-ukraine


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