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They would say that, wouldn’t they. Let’s wait for BDR and any indications of radioactive fallout.
Fordow not seriously damaged, Iranian official says Iranian officials have disputed Trump’s claim that their nuclear facilities were “obliterated”. Mohammad Manan Raisi, a lawmaker for Qom, near Fordow, told the semi-official Fars news agency the facility had not been seriously damaged. Iranian media quoted Iran’s nuclear body as saying there were no signs of contamination after the attacks, and no danger to residents living nearby. Hassan Abedini, deputy political head of Iran’s state broadcaster, said Iran had evacuated the three sites some time ago. “The enriched uranium reserves had been transferred from the nuclear centres and there are no materials left there that, if targeted, would cause radiation and be harmful to our compatriots,” he told the channel. |
Not Fornow.
And there you have it. Giant ego time. Iran officials have just stuck out their collective chin and said, "That didn't hurt! What else you got?" Asking for it, or what? Are there no diplomats on either side? By such verbal utterances, war is ever thus propagated. Will the US take the bait and go in again? Will Iran seek to nail one of the B2s this time? |
From 1980, for those who didn't catch it the first time around:
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Originally Posted by jolihokistix
(Post 11908280)
Not Fornow.
And there you have it. Giant ego time. Iran officials have just stuck out their collective chin and said, "That didn't hurt! What else you got?" Asking for it, or what? Are there no diplomats on either side? By such verbal utterances, war is ever thus propagated. Will the US take the bait and go in again? Will Iran seek to nail one of the B2s this time? |
This will not end well for anyone. By striking a nuclear facility, it also signals to Russia that it is acceptable.
Six US B-2 stealth bombers dropped a dozen GBU-57 Massive Ordnance Penetrators on Iran’s Fordow nuclear facility overnight, according to US officials cited by CNN. Two additional MOPs were used against the Natanz site. |
Responses:
I do wonder if any of the Russians were killed in the strikes. Iran has launched the Kheibar missile at Israel for the first time. The Kheibar, or Khorramshahr-4, is a medium-range ballistic missile with a 2,000 km range and high maneuverability. Known for its heavy warhead and interception evasion, it's a major asset in Iran’s Show more Iranian state outlets are circulating maps of US military bases near Iran, declaring that every American soldier is now a legitimate target. |
NutLoose
You should keep your crude bias to yourself. "Six US B-2 stealth bombers dropped a dozen GBU-57 Massive Ordnance Penetrators on Iran’s Fordow nuclear facility" US and UK News channels are reporting 3 x B-2s, and 6 x GBU-57s. We won't know the exact details for a while. |
I somehow think that this will not happen, he has just opened up a can of worms for Americans the world over.
Trump: “The thug must make peace.” He warned Iran of further strikes after declaring the US attacks on Fordow, Natanz, and Isfahan a complete military success. “Iran’s nuclear sites are destroyed. Tehran is now forced to seek peace,” he said. |
Originally Posted by NutLoose
(Post 11908364)
This will not end well for anyone. By striking a nuclear facility, it also signals to Russia that it is acceptable.
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Not in the context of aiming to destroy it though, more as a bargaining threat in that they can hit them. They never seriously hit one where it was likely to be destroyed.
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The Houthi’s have declared war on the US, I wonder how many other Arab states will also join in. If Iran starts targeting American bases in the area, will that escalate as other Arab nations respond to Irans attacks on their countries?
Oil prices are likely to rise over this, and that helps the Russian cause, Europe has already delayed the cut in prices to affect Russia due to the ongoing issues in the Middle East. Yemeni Houthi's have officially declared its intent to enter the war. The country's military says it is ready to target US ships in its territorial waters. This follows earlier warnings from the Houthis in case of American strikes on Iran. |
Originally Posted by ORAC
(Post 11908278)
They would say that, wouldn’t they. Let’s wait for BDR and any indications of radioactive fallout.
Fordow not seriously damaged, Iranian official says Iranian officials have disputed Trump’s claim that their nuclear facilities were “obliterated”.. |
You want to watch this, it was all predicted by a Russian 20 years ago, the how and why of it all and the effects.
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Great, now we can get back to the cricket.
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In a way Trump brought this about by cancelling the Obama Iran nuclear agreement in 2018
The U.S. withdrawal from the Iran nuclear deal, officially known as the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA), in 2018, has had significant and multifaceted impacts. These include the reimposition of U.S. sanctions on Iran, which has affected various sectors of the Iranian economy and limited international business with Iran. Additionally, Iran has, in response, reduced its commitments to the JCPOA, increasing its uranium enrichment levels and stockpiles. The situation has also led to heightened tensions in the region and strained diplomatic relations, particularly between the U.S. and Iran, as well as with other JCPOA signatories. Here's a more detailed breakdown: 1. Reinstatement of U.S. Sanctions:
2. Iran's Response and Reduced JCPOA Commitments:
3. Regional Tensions and Diplomatic Fallout:
4. Economic Consequences:
5. Ongoing Efforts to Revive the Deal:
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Originally Posted by BBadanov
(Post 11908374)
NutLoose
You should keep your crude bias to yourself. "Six US B-2 stealth bombers dropped a dozen GBU-57 Massive Ordnance Penetrators on Iran’s Fordow nuclear facility" US and UK News channels are reporting 3 x B-2s, and 6 x GBU-57s. We won't know the exact details for a while. |
And this a day after Pakistan was reported as saying it would nominate Trump for the Nobel Peace Prize.
Oh, the irony! |
Nutlose seems to be worried about opening a can of worms. But which can of worms, the one over there, or the one over.....there. I think the world has been paralised about opening any can of worms. I think we should really just suck it up and open all the cans, let the worms fall where they will and deal with it. Even a bad plan is better than no plan. The world can step up quickly to get the job done, it did it in 1939 and it can be done again.
Russia is being belted around the ears by the Ukrainians, Iran has just been taken care of. It's now time to look towards China and say, "you're next, if you misbehave ......... punk". |
NMC
Said like someone with precisely zero skin in the game.
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Cabinet minister Jonathan Reynolds told Sky News that Britain was notified as a key ally, though he didn’t know the actual timing. He said the U.S. did not ask for support and Britain was not involved. “Whilst the British government, the U.K., has not been involved in these attacks, we have been making extensive preparations for all eventualities,” Reynolds said. He said the government was working on how to look after British nationals as well as its military bases, personnel and infrastructure in the region. |
I for one will grudgingly admit that Trump played us all with his 'two weeks' ploy. Also there was a nice bit of misdirection by with reports that the B2s were positioning to Guam.
As for Iranians, they never fail to miss an opportunity. I'd be saying that the facility was heavily damaged, rescue efforts were underway etc etc. |
Originally Posted by jolihokistix
(Post 11908280)
And there you have it. Giant ego time. Iran officials have just stuck out their collective chin and said, "That didn't hurt! What else you got?"
Asking for it, or what? If, hypothetically, Forno was relatively undamaged, I think I'd be keeping very quiet about it rather than giving the Americans a reason to come back for more.
Originally Posted by NutLoose
(Post 11908385)
The Houthi’s have declared war on the US, I wonder how many other Arab states will also join in.
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Brief by Sec Def & Chairman JCS
7 x B-2A with 14 x GBU-57A/B + large escort/SEAD package of 5th & 4th Gen fighters. No Iranian SAM launches detected on way in or out. |
How does the government of Iran massage this into garnering more support from the general population? "Us against them" can be an effective messaging tool. I've seen a few articles recently that Grand Ayatollah Khameini is reaching the end of his tenure, and the maneuvering has already begun to try and replace him.
Does this give him a new lease on life, politically? Will the IRGC keep backing him? If they don't, who will they move their support to? |
https://iran.liveuamap.com/
A bit more information and timeline in this link for those who are interested. |
Originally Posted by RAFEngO74to09
(Post 11908506)
Brief by Sec Def & Chairman JCS
7 x B-2A with 14 x GBU-57A/B + large escort/SEAD package of 5th & 4th Gen fighters. No Iranian SAM launches detected on way in or out. |
I recall watching a video called ‘Midnight Hammer’ on detachment. Different subject matter, although it did include massive penetrators…
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Originally Posted by ORAC
(Post 11908278)
“The enriched uranium reserves had been transferred from the nuclear centres and there are no materials left there that, if targeted, would cause radiation and be harmful to our compatriots,” he told the channel.
Originally Posted by SATCOS WHIPPING BOY
(Post 11908513)
https://iran.liveuamap.com/
A bit more information and timeline in this link for those who are interested. That's a neat tool/site you linked to there. Quite informative. :ok: |
Originally Posted by jethro15
(Post 11908209)
If you think that the UK and EU had NO part in this operation....dream on!
"Cabinet minister Jonathan Reynolds told Sky News that Britain was notified as a key ally, though he didn’t know the actual timing. He said the U.S. did not ask for support and Britain was not involved" “Whilst the British government, the U.K., has not been involved in these attacks, we have been making extensive preparations for all eventualities,” Reynolds said. |
Originally Posted by Martin the Martian
(Post 11908514)
I thought the whole point of the B-2 was that it wouldn't need an escort package?
B-1B was touted as a strictly nuclear bomber. They had to rip all the rotary launchers out and equip them with conventional bomb racks. Missions evolve over time. |
Originally Posted by Martin the Martian
(Post 11908514)
I thought the whole point of the B-2 was that it wouldn't need an escort package?
The B2 is 80s tech, although in all likelihood there are aircraft flying today that the public doesn't know about, remember how long it was before Blackbird and Nighthawk were publicly disclosed. |
I note despite Mr Trump protestations re total success the military are being more coy saying they are still awaiting better evidence on damage assessment. I have no knowledge of the use of these weapons but historically the RAF Earthquake bombs though effective did not always hit target the first attempts and indeed multiple raids required.
So for me show me some evidence before you start to say you have stopped the program. As for the retribution for there will be one,I would suspect a soft target like the bombings in East Africa and not tomorrow but in a time and place of Iranian choosing. Regards Mr Mac |
Originally Posted by Mr Mac
(Post 11908572)
I note despite Mr Trump protestations re total success the military are being more coy saying they are still awaiting better evidence on damage assessment. I have no knowledge of the use of these weapons but historically the RAF Earthquake bombs though effective did not always hit target the first attempts and indeed multiple raids required.
So for me show me some evidence before you start to say you have stopped the program. As for the retribution for there will be one,I would suspect a soft target like the bombings in East Africa and not tomorrow but in a time and place of Iranian choosing. Regards Mr Mac Just checking for salad cream stocks. |
Originally Posted by Mr Mac
(Post 11908572)
I note despite Mr Trump protestations re total success the military are being more coy saying they are still awaiting better evidence on damage assessment. I have no knowledge of the use of these weapons but historically the RAF Earthquake bombs though effective did not always hit target the first attempts and indeed multiple raids required.
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How would you even assess the damage to a site the best part of a kilometre underground? I guess satellite images would be of limited use, do the weapons themselves have any sensors that send back info on how deep they detonated? Would the US be largely relying on intercepted Iranian reports of the damage?
Sorry for the civilian intrusion. |
Originally Posted by Mr Mac
(Post 11908572)
I note despite Mr Trump protestations re total success the military are being more coy saying they are still awaiting better evidence on damage assessment. I have no knowledge of the use of these weapons but historically the RAF Earthquake bombs though effective did not always hit target the first attempts and indeed multiple raids required.
So for me show me some evidence before you start to say you have stopped the program. |
The size of the explosive charge is estimated to be effective with a 10m radius. Given that statistic it would be extremely unlikely that any major damage has been done to the deep underground facilities, unless one had precise accurate information. Trump hasn't a clue as to what the level of underground damage has occurred. Maybe someone in Iran has, but even that's unlikely as I'm pretty sure they all were evacuated.
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