![]() |
Hopefully, with working heads and full larders. :}
|
"Iran cannot have nuclear weapons" Having removed that unilaterally, I am at a loss to understand what was expected to be the subsequent game that would play out. What was the justification for Iran remaining compliant with an agreement that had been trashed by one of the major players in its formation? The US maintains a policy of not threatening TNWs against a signatory of the NPT that does not have TNW's. At this very time, seems that is the case, otherwise we would probably have night glow marshmallows on tik-tok. Threatening the use of TNWs is somewhere in the old wording a war crime, and yet, today, it is a yawn, just another tweet before the next one and after the one before, all combining into a level of incoherent international and defence (war) policy that seems to get curiouser and curiouser the closer we get to the rabbit hole. To de-escalate the situation, the fundamental, "intractable" problem that arises from Israels last century and this one, needs to be put back into a semblance of order. To consider that all Iranians hate Israel or the USA is inconsistent with the evidence; Israel makes it relatively easy for any militant group to establish a cause with their state in the center of the bulls eye. We collectively are distressed by an attack on an Israeli citizen by a terrorist, yet the killing of infants and children in the response is apparently of a lesser level of evil, so a determination is made as the the value of one child vs another, which seems to be arbitrary in nature. Plinking a school full of young girls doesn't even rate an "ooops, my bad..." occurring in an undeclared war which makes that potentially a mass homicide, if the declaration of war has any meaning today. "Iran cannot have nuclear weapons" Imperialism, 1948... etc |
The US has intercepted multiple ships after imposing a blockade on maritime traffic entering and leaving Iranian ports on 13 April. The latest interception {today} comes as President Donald Trump ordered the US Navy to "shoot and kill" any boat laying mines in the critical shipping channel the Strait of Hormuz. Under the blockade, US Central Command (Centcom) said it has ordered 33 vessels to return to port, and the DoD has said it will continue to stop ships suspected of "providing material support to Iran - anywhere they operate". Iran described one US ship interception earlier this week as "piracy". And their toll booth wold be rightly referred to as extortion. |
Mining.
MRAF Harris, in BOMBER COMMAND states that in WWII one vessel was sunk for every 50 mines deployed. If true this is an astonishingly effective and economical of depoyment of power, in his case air power. |
Originally Posted by fdr
(Post 12075104)
Interesting tidbit of info, China is the only nuclear armed nation on the planet that has a stipulated, under no circumstances, no first release policy; they seem astute with their 5 year plans rather than 5 second internally inconsistent tweets.
|
Originally Posted by Winemaker
(Post 12075218)
Um, okay. I would point out that we are currently 'doing a bit of damage' with thousands of sorties flown and thousands of bombs dropped. Do you believe 'contractors' could do more than the U.S. military?
|
With all this mine laying (not sweeping LW!), one assumes that if any had been found/detected it would be all over the news...?
No video's, no photo's, no DJT social truth showing us these millions of floating or any detection system showing submerged mines? One would assume that underwater drones nowadays would be used to find chunky metal orbs chained to the bottom of the sea - pending the sea depth and the amount of chain length needed, all carefully laid under the watch of a hundred hi res sats and who knows how many surveillance aircraft... |
Originally Posted by Canary Boy
(Post 12075195)
Referring back to my #5501, again, I hope I’m wrong with my analysis of the way ahead. With all of the combined military experience (in so many aspects of the military) of the combined PPruners, what do you see as the way ahead? I would agree that the denial of a potential, viable, nuclear weapon probably has primacy. The freeing of the Strait of Hormuz from an Iranian stranglehold has to be an immediate objective. Can this be achieved through negotiations? If those negotiations are apparently successful, how would guarantees of continuing compliance be achieved?
As for military options to force the Straits open, well good luck with that. It couldn’t realistically be achieved without boots on the ground in some numbers. Even then I doubt safe passage could be guaranteed given the Iranians could always fire ballistic missiles or launch drones from their hinterland. In essence, the US has gotten itself into what their military call a giant clusterf*ck. |
One would assume that underwater drones nowadays would be used to find chunky metal orbs chained to the bottom of the sea Guide To Iran's Naval Mines https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....25e5303d3.jpeg |
I saw a video on youtube suggesting that the United Staes had taken out an Iranian submarine/patrol boat hidden cave system in the gulf, is there any truth to this or is it just more fake news?
|
Originally Posted by Bfah
(Post 12075495)
... all carefully laid under the watch of a hundred hi res sats and who knows how many surveillance aircraft...
|
Originally Posted by Bfah
(Post 12075495)
With all this mine laying (not sweeping LW!)
Originally Posted by dead_pan
(Post 12075526)
In essence, the US has gotten itself into what their military call a giant clusterf*ck.
Originally Posted by Recc
(Post 12075614)
I would be surprised if Iran was not using fishing vessels (or craft disguised as fishing vessels) to lay mines in the strait. Very easy to disguise mine laying within typical fishing vessel tracks. Makes it much harder for the US to target them with confidence and complicates mine-sweeping based on surveillance.
|
DOW Briefing 24 Apr 26
|
Ceasefire or basically screwed.. the US appear to be running low on weapons.
|
Has there been any discussion about whether the Abraham Lincoln group is being replaced by Bush, or will it remain in the area?
|
Originally Posted by dead_pan
(Post 12075787)
Has there been any discussion about whether the Abraham Lincoln group is being replaced by Bush, or will it remain in the area?
It is not uncommon for a carrier relieving another one to spend a week or two operating with them before the one being relieved heads home. CENTCOM will probably make an utterance about that within the next week. Note: Lincoln's current deployment began 21 Nov 2025. (From San Diego, CA). It will hit the 'six month' standard next month, but as I noted previously, that "six months" is not written in stone. They may get extended. For NutLoose: When this began, Secretary Hegseth made some remarks about 'four to five weeks' and I made a guess a few days afterwards that this matched roughly where the ammo expenditure would start to show. With the on and off cease fires stuff for the past couple of weeks, I guess I slightly undersold the operational stamina but I'll put a notional ten-dollar bet down in Vegas that you hit the mark with this: Ceasefire or basically screwed.. the US appear to be running low on weapons. |
Originally Posted by Recc
(Post 12075614)
I would be surprised if Iran was not using fishing vessels (or craft disguised as fishing vessels) to lay mines in the strait. Very easy to disguise mine laying within typical fishing vessel tracks. Makes it much harder for the US to target them with confidence and complicates mine-sweeping based on surveillance.
|
Hangarless, I don't think that the US has a DEA + local government surveillance screen in Iran that is similar to what is in Venezuela and Colombia.
You are not making a valid comparison. But I would not put it past Pete H to try that in the Persian Gulf. :p |
Maritime logistics for US Naval Forces.
Sal’s latest take on the matter. |
Originally Posted by Lonewolf_50
(Post 12075828)
Hangarless, I don't think that the US has a DEA + local government surveillance screen in Iran that is similar to what is in Venezuela and Colombia.
You are not making a valid comparison. But I would not put it past Pete H to try that in the Persian Gulf. :p Who really knows what surveillance ability and intelligence gathering is available to the US but my bet is that it is quite substantial. |
| All times are GMT. The time now is 07:13. |
Copyright © 2026 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.