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Bfah 22nd April 2026 17:57

There are mentions of them being fishing boats. Other pics show similar numbers and wakes in the same area from last year.

One has to also think that such a large 'mine laying operation' would have gone undetected. But ya never know...

ORAC 22nd April 2026 18:14

Blockade (boarding and detention of Iranian related sanctioned shipping) would seem to be going global.


Sen. Lindsey Graham:

"I had a very good call this morning with Trump and Pete Hegseth about the way forward regarding the Iran conflict.

“I think the President's decision to leave the blockade in place is very smart. It is having a strong effect on the ability of Iran to continue to be the largest state sponsor of terrorism – which they appear intent on doing.

”I not only expect this blockade to stay in place until Iran shows a commitment to change their ways, I expect the blockade will be growing and that it could become global soon.

”To those assisting or thinking about assisting the Iranian regime in distributing its oil, which provides resources for terrorism, you do so at your own peril.

“Well done to President Trump and his team. This is the best chance since 1979 to change the behavior of the regime and I hope this can be accomplished through diplomacy."


ORAC 22nd April 2026 18:27

WAPO:

​​​​​​​EXCLUSIVE: It could take six months to fully clear the Strait of Hormuz of mines deployed by the Iranian military, and any such operation is unlikely to be carried out until the U.S. war with Iran ends, the Pentagon has informed Congress — an assessment that means the conflict’s economic impact could extend late into this year or beyond.

A senior Pentagon official shared the estimate, which has not been previously reported, during a classified briefing Tuesday for members of the House Armed Services Committee, officials said. The timeline was met with frustration by Democrats and Republicans alike.

https://archive.is/20260422165708/ht...-hormuz-mines/

Clearing Strait of Hormuz of mines could take 6 months, Pentagon tells Congress

The Pentagon assessment, shared in a classified briefing for lawmakers, suggests gasoline and oil prices could remain elevated through the midterm elections.

gums 22nd April 2026 19:15

Salute!

don't ya just luv how the usual susects (WAPO, NYTIMES, etc.) always get briefed on the classified briefings before the unclassified version hits the other media ?

Gums sends...
P.S. unless maskirovka

albatross 22nd April 2026 19:20

WGOWS in the Gulf.
 
Sal’s report for today on the latest shipping news in the Gulfs and Strait originates from Washington DC sans Hawaiian Shirt but avec shirt and tie.

Asturias56 23rd April 2026 08:51

More decimation of the US armed forces today - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce9ml02g5k7o

US Navy Secretary purged - no reason given

57mm 23rd April 2026 09:39

IIRC, a blockade of a nation is according to international law, an act of war…..

Abbas Ibn Firnas 23rd April 2026 10:09


Originally Posted by 57mm (Post 12074918)
IIRC, a blockade of a nation is according to international law, an act of war…..

Ok.... and what we've seen the US/Israel do thus far, isn't?

ORAC 23rd April 2026 12:00

Pentagon video:

​​​​​​​Overnight, U.S. forces carried out a maritime interdiction and right-of-visit boarding of the sanctioned stateless vessel M/T Majestic X transporting oil from Iran, in the Indian Ocean within the INDOPACOM area of responsibility.

We will continue global maritime enforcement to disrupt illicit networks and interdict vessels providing material support to Iran, wherever they operate. International waters cannot be used as a shield by sanctioned actors.

The Department of War will continue to deny illicit actors and their vessels freedom of maneuver in the maritime domain.


ORAC 23rd April 2026 12:02


Coronet East 052 - US Marines move forward FreeIran!

--- Operation EPIC FURY ---

The 12x F/A-18C "Hornet" jets from VMFA-312 continue their journey eastwards towards CENTCOM, with their supporting tankers currently in transit past Gibraltar.

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....d6dfe94eda.png

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Canary Boy 23rd April 2026 12:22

My small brain tells me that there is only one solution to the current impasse, largely arrived-at through mis-judgement of the Iranian capabilities and resolve, where that solution fulfils POTUS’ aims and that is through the use of overwhelming military action. Not a welcome move, granted, but probably the only way to draw a line through where we are at the moment. Such action, if it were to be entirely successful, would probably involve ‘boots on the ground’ to some degree or other. Whether the US would have to go it alone is debatable, but POTUS seems to think that they need no help from historical allies. I hope I’m wrong, but I see no resolution on the present path.

dead_pan 23rd April 2026 12:40


My small brain tells me that there is only one solution to the current impasse, largely arrived-at through mis-judgement of the Iranian capabilities and resolve, where that solution fulfils POTUS’ aims and that is through the use of overwhelming military action.
The problem with this - indeed any resumption of air strikes etc - is that Iran will simply target the Gulf states' oil infrastructure if there is any possibility the regime's survival is in question.

I believe this stalemate will continue for the foreseeable until the Gulf states force the issue with an agreement with Iran.

Lonewolf_50 23rd April 2026 12:52


Originally Posted by 57mm (Post 12074918)
IIRC, a blockade of a nation is according to international law, an act of war…..

International law, like any law, is about as good as its enforcement. (By the way, any number of embargoes have been conducted under the auspices of the UNSCRs over the past few decades, but they are careful - semantically - to not refer to them as blockades).

Originally Posted by Canary Boy (Post 12075026)
but POTUS seems to think that they need no help from historical allies. I hope I’m wrong, but I see no resolution on the present path.

Most historical allies are not interested in putting boots on the ground in Iran: after the mess in Iraq, why would they be interested? As to "no resolution" - same as it ever was.

Originally Posted by dead_pan (Post 12075036)
I believe this stalemate will continue for the foreseeable until the Gulf states force the issue with an agreement with Iran.

Within the past few years, various gulf states have made efforts to reach regional stability accords with Iran. Let's say that the results have been mixed, and the decision to strike various Gulf States - "if I bleed, you bleed" - by Iran has probably done some harm to those initiatives.

Iran is probably counting on the Arabs being, in general, gutless and themselves more willing to 'gut it out' until the situation changes.
I don't think they'd be wrong to assess the state of play that way.

Video Mixdown 23rd April 2026 13:39


Originally Posted by Canary Boy (Post 12075026)
My small brain tells me that there is only one solution to the current impasse, largely arrived-at through mis-judgement of the Iranian capabilities and resolve, where that solution fulfils POTUS’ aims and that is through the use of overwhelming military action. Not a welcome move, granted, but probably the only way to draw a line through where we are at the moment. Such action, if it were to be entirely successful, would probably involve ‘boots on the ground’ to some degree or other. Whether the US would have to go it alone is debatable, but POTUS seems to think that they need no help from historical allies. I hope I’m wrong, but I see no resolution on the present path.

The obvious solution is for the US to accept that Trump has made a catastrophic mistake for reasons that are still as clear as mud, and force him to stop before more lives are wasted and more billions go up in smoke. The participation of the former allies of the US in a ground war in Iran is not debatable, it is completely off the table.

Hot 'n' High 23rd April 2026 14:06


Originally Posted by Video Mixdown (Post 12075072)
The obvious solution is for the US to accept that Trump has made a catastrophic mistake for reasons that are still as clear as mud, and force him to stop before more lives are wasted and more billions go up in smoke. The participation of the former allies of the US in a ground war in Iran is not debatable, it is completely off the table.

I have a strange feeling this will pan out along the lines of a certain SMO except, this time, a significant chunk of the world is indirectly, and without any say in the matter, impacted. Still, not too surprising that fact given the similarities between the "top neddies" in the Kremlin and the WH when it comes to "Strategic Thinking" ........ or whatever they call it.

I see there's another change at the top with NAVSEC going. Given how limited the USN input has been to date, rather than lack of effective action from the Navy, I suspect it's more that Phelan has probably been suggesting that a "catastrophic mistake" has been made.

I guess the thing that is making me ponder right now is what the Gulf States are making of all of this in private? After all, they are, literally, on the Front Line so are stuck - militarily and financially - with this for the foreseeable.

fdr 23rd April 2026 14:32


Originally Posted by 57mm (Post 12074918)
IIRC, a blockade of a nation is according to international law, an act of war…..

According to Naval Warfare Publication 1-14M, a naval quarantine is a maritime sanction physically enforced in peacetime and defined by its measured nature and intent to deescalate the situation and return it to the status-quo. A blockade is “a belligerent action designed to prevent vessels of all states from entering or departing specified areas without at least subjecting themselves to a search for contraband goods.”

Naval Warfare Publication 1-14M: Commander’s Handbook on the Law of Naval Operations(Washington, DC: Headquarters, Department of the Navy, 2022), 4-10, 7-10.

Seems to be a moot point, the moment Israel started plinking the Ayatollah and his
family, it was fair to assume that a state of war had arisen, whether declared, or otherwise. In the background, Iran has been skirting the edges of the protection of the NPT conventions since the first Trump administration tore up the agreement in a fit of pique in 2017/18. Whether Iran was compliant or not with the agreement that had been entered into depends on what news channel you may watch. Contrary to the comments from the WH, Iran had the same right to peaceful use of nuclear technology for medical, research and NPP use as every other signatory to the NPT.

A secondary blockade is a consequential act of war, but it follows the firing on internationally flagged commerce traffic by Iran, which itself follows the attack on Iran by Israel and the USA when the brain trust of those 2 countries decided that it was a great idea to go and start an excursion.

To put the concept of ground invasion of Iran into perspective, a quick read of the losses between Iran and Iraq in the 1980-88 war is interesting to have a look at. The impact on global economy as it is going will be substantial, and there is a modest risk that even remaining within the boundaries of the Persian Gulf, the consequences will come up towards Round 2.0's total costs and the indirect civilian losses from the potential impact of famine will start to make headline numbers. As this affects China directly, it is a push on the side of a balloon by a bunch of dunderheads of some historical significance. Within the gulf itself, the GCC may well become a victim of these circumstances, there is no love lost between the GCC and Iran, but there was a form of stability that functioned. Beyond that, the House of Saud has been in a state of crisis since pre Bin Laden times, and the numbers have not been looking good for their own stability for some time. Turns out gold plated toilet seats on hundreds of private jets doesn't increase the happiness of the punter in the street that happen to be the masses that are dispossessed from the cool dudes at the top that are dripping in trinkets. That Saudi can run a deficit is the 8th wonder of the world.

The irony of threatening the release of TNWs to stop another nation getting the very same seems to be lost in the moment.

Operationally, the US and Israel have fundamental weaknesses in their position in an air war, their regional bases are well within the striking capacity of Iran, which seems to have a fair capacity to attack remaining. That puts an inordinate load onto the AAR capabilities which are a mixed bag today, if the air assets are to be kept outside of ground striking distance. The Iranians have been getting good intel on USAF asset positions on the ramps, enough to be a major pain, and the skill and diplomacy of the WH has led to a position that finding a state other than Israel which is pretty well bracketed as far as aviation support goes, is starting to look lean on the ground. Apparently, being bellicose at allies while being obsequious with states undertaking war crimes is not without ramifications.

The off ramps do exist, but they seem to be jet blast bound notwithstanding the fact they are central to the use of air power to deal with the consequences of stupidity. The guys and girls that get hurt here are certainly any on the ground on either side, those that may be tasked by their CIC to go and make a fashion statement, in boots, boats or BUFFS, those Iranians that are the 90% of the population that are not impressed with their leaders but are not empowered to do anything about it, and the 3-4 billion others that have an existential threat to their food supply, which happens to include India and China along with various other nations. As to cost, ultimately the dismantling of 80 years of Bretton Woods functioning to some extent will end up costing more than that Great Depression and Round 2.0 combined, and not without some flow-on effects. Destabilising the polar world order has been on the wish list of certain parts of those in power for a long time, it didn't seem to be a good idea when first floated, and it isn't shaping up so well now either, but who knows; out of chaos comes opportunities, sometimes; if you survive.

Interesting tidbit of info, China is the only nuclear armed nation on the planet that has a stipulated, under no circumstances, no first release policy; they seem astute with their 5 year plans rather than 5 second internally inconsistent tweets.

West Coast 23rd April 2026 14:36


Originally Posted by Hot 'n' High (Post 12075088)
I have a strange feeling this will pan out along the lines of a certain SMO except, this time, a significant chunk of the world is indirectly, and without any say in the matter, impacted. Still, not too surprising that fact given the similarities between the "top neddies" in the Kremlin and the WH when it comes to "Strategic Thinking" ........ or whatever they call it.

I see there's another change at the top with NAVSEC going. Given how limited the USN input has been to date, rather than lack of effective action from the Navy, I suspect it's more that Phelan has probably been suggesting that a "catastrophic mistake" has been made.

I guess the thing that is making me ponder right now is what the Gulf States are making of all of this in private? After all, they are, literally, on the Front Line so are stuck - militarily and financially - with this for the foreseeable.

What level of oversight in overseas missions do you think the Secretary of the Navy has?

Canary Boy 23rd April 2026 17:03

Referring back to my #5501, again, I hope I’m wrong with my analysis of the way ahead. With all of the combined military experience (in so many aspects of the military) of the combined PPruners, what do you see as the way ahead? I would agree that the denial of a potential, viable, nuclear weapon probably has primacy. The freeing of the Strait of Hormuz from an Iranian stranglehold has to be an immediate objective. Can this be achieved through negotiations? If those negotiations are apparently successful, how would guarantees of continuing compliance be achieved?

gums 23rd April 2026 19:12

Salute!
"So what's your solution?"
Well, the rest of the world has used economic and outright force off and on a few times to enforce the "international" agreements and such that so many here favor to slow down the acqusition of both the weapon and a good means of delivery. The rocket means is now there to reach out over most of Europe, and intercontinental missiles are not even a big step away. So we are all at their mercy with the bomb to back up their will. If they can wreck this much to the economies of so many who still rely on petroleum, and not just for transportation or power, then maybe we should do our best to keep them from acquiring the unltimate vengeance weapon.

For now, reducing humans' dependence upon oil, gas, coal, windmills and landscapes of solar panels to produce electricity is part of the solution to their closing the strait threats. So the irrational fear concerning nuclear power plants needs to be overcome and realize the fusion solution will be decades away ( as it has been for decades, heh heh). If we don't need the strait so much, that's a start. Just one big thing as a start, but beats learning how to duck and cover.

Gums muses...

ORAC 23rd April 2026 20:00

U.S. Central Command (CENTCOM) has announced that the Nimitz-class aircraft carrier, USS George H.W. Bush (CVN-77), along with her Carrier Strike Group which all made the decision to sail around Africa from the Eastern Atlantic to avoid the Red Sea, has arrived in the Indian Ocean and is now operating within U.S. 5th Fleet Area-of-Responsibility.


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