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Originally Posted by ORAC
(Post 12070047)
The Stillborn Blockade
China's defense minister, Admiral Dong Jun, issued a brief statement earlier today, coinciding with the previously announced start time of the US blockade of Iranian maritime trade through the Strait of Hormuz. “We are committed to peace and stability in the world. We are monitoring the situation in the Middle East. Our ships are moving in and out of the waters of the Strait of Hormuz. We have trade and energy agreements with Iran. We will respect and honour them and expect others not to meddle in our affairs. Iran controls the Strait of Hormuz and it is open for us.” The entire purpose of the blockade is to interdict Iranian oil shipments to China. The US cannot and will not risk a military conflict with China. The blockade is therefore stillborn. |
Originally Posted by Recc
(Post 12070060)
I have seen that quote on social media, but nowhere with any reliable attribution and not reported in any Chinese publications. I suspect that the quote is fabricated. China is very unlikely to start off with such a public and confrontational stance. They have much larger strategic oil reserves than their Western counterparts and are very likely to let the supply problem get much worse before they try to exploit the situation for their own interests.
We will respect and honour them and expect others not to meddle in our affairs. Iran controls the Strait of Hormuz and it is open for us.” The US would most certainly take issue with it as would the Gulf States. |
I have seen that quote on social media, but nowhere with any reliable attribution A non-attribute warning? https://www.msn.com/en-in/autos/phot...-3&uxmode=ruby https://www.indiatoday.in/world/stor...652-2026-04-13 https://eadaily.com/en/news/2026/04/...airs-with-iran * https://www.beijingchannelnewsletter...istrys-warning |
Seems that CVN-77 group, tasked to join in the operations, is taking the longer route from the East Coast -
https://news.usni.org/2026/04/13/car...lockade-begins Hmm, maybe those "pesky Houthis" are seen to have some teeth left, and perhaps they may be coming due for extraction. |
if the Iranian terminals are offline, then that makes the blockade moot There will, inevitably, come a point quite soon when the USN will have to decide whether to board and possibly impound a Chinese or Indian vessel. |
Originally Posted by dogle
(Post 12070073)
Seems that CVN-77 group, tasked to join in the operations, is taking the longer route from the East Coast -
https://news.usni.org/2026/04/13/car...lockade-begins Hmm, maybe those "pesky Houthis" are seen to have some teeth left, and perhaps they may be coming due for extraction. |
Strait of Hormuz traffic barely affected on first day of US blockade, data shows The first full day of a U.S. blockade on vessels calling at Iranian ports made little difference to Strait of Hormuz traffic on Tuesday, with at least eight ships including three Iran-linked tankers, crossing the waterway, shipping data showed. U.S. President Donald Trump announced the blockade on Sunday after weekend peace talks in Islamabad between the U.S. and Iran failed to reach a deal. .... |
Originally Posted by dogle
(Post 12070073)
Seems that CVN-77 group, tasked to join in the operations, is taking the longer route from the East Coast -
https://news.usni.org/2026/04/13/car...lockade-begins Hmm, maybe those "pesky Houthis" are seen to have some teeth left, and perhaps they may be coming due for extraction. |
Apparently the Iranians are looking to close Bab-el-Mandeb with the help of local Houthi. A couple of days ago a sailing ship experienced an attempted hijacking just north of there which was unsuccessful. The route from Strait of Hormuz to Bab-el-Mandeb is already subject to piracy within the Gulf Of Aden and all ships on the route carry LRAD and armed guards to prevent hostile boarding. If Bab-el-Mandab is closed as retribution for the US blockade of Iranian ports, that will damage trade immeasurably as it will cut off the Red Sea and Suez completely at the southern end. Bab-el-Mandeb is just 20 miles wide and has Yemen to one side and Eritrea and Djibouti on the other side.
There are reports via UKMTO of incidents within the Gulf of Oman area now too, one such involved a bulk carrier south of Rass Al Hadd, two unidentified projectiles hit the ship and caused a fire on April 7, 2026. UKMTO record all shipping incidents worldwide, their list for the ME area is growing https://www.ukmto.org/recent-incidents |
Originally Posted by Lonewolf_50
(Post 12070211)
For those of you who are not maritime professionals, suggest you read up how Sir Julian Corbett and Alfred Thayer Mahan discuss blockades:
Close Blockades and Distant Blockades. To be honest, I am not sure what the current aim is, since the rhetoric and the actions I see reported in the media do not match up. |
Given that there are now efforts to produce a negotiated settlement, maybe some concessoons on Iranian Nuclear ambitions is in order? Why is it so important that they don't have one? To stop Israel attacking whenever it wants to perhaps but given the principle of MAD would they ever dare use it? The difficulties facing a nuclear power neatly demonstrated here.
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Originally Posted by Timmy Tomkins
(Post 12070374)
Given that there are now efforts to produce a negotiated settlement, maybe some concessoons on Iranian Nuclear ambitions is in order? Why is it so important that they don't have one? To stop Israel attacking whenever it wants to perhaps but given the principle of MAD would they ever dare use it? The difficulties facing a nuclear power neatly demonstrated here.
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Originally Posted by dead_pan
(Post 12070089)
Does make you wonder if there was more to the Ford's withdrawal than officially admitted. Red Sea getting a little too congested (and hot) for carrier group ops?
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AR1 makes a good point. Typical CVN deployments are 6-7 months, with the occasional extensions beyond that when heavy ops crop up. Op Tempo and all that. We got extended in Sixth Fleet a couple of months back in 86...the "six month deployment" ended up being a few days short of eight months when all was said and done. Ford was due to come home. (If nothing else, to fix the heads. :ugh:)
As to this thought: Why is it so important that they don't have one? But also ask, within the region, the Saudis. As we've discussed before on the Mil Av forum, there is a valid concern that if the Iranians reach their goal, the Saudis will have one rather soon...balance of power stuff, if nothing else, and I harbor a suspicion that Pakistan will be who provides it to them. My opinion on the Iranian nuclear capability remains what it's always been: they'll find a way to get it, and then they get to add themselves to the list of places on our (the US) target list. Be careful of what you wish for. |
Originally Posted by ATNotts_2
(Post 12070298)
With your experience would you say there were any concise aims in place at the beginning of this operation or indeed proper planning to achieve them, if there were any?
If the objective is to squeeze the oil revenues, I look back to the UN sponsored embargo / sanctions on Iraq in the 1990's, and note that even then a 'shadow fleet' was alive and well. (Also: there were some humanitarian exceptions in that embargo under the various UNSCRs which I don't see as any part of what the current move has). What the folks in Washington are doing is covering some new ground. Previous efforts in the Gulf were still (in the background) focused on the generally free movement of oil/energy in and out of the Gulf for the benefit of all global customers. What I am seeing at the political level is a version of Iran's "if you bleed, I bleed" approach (as they attacked various Gulf States). The operating mind set seems to be this: "OK, you shut down their oil, we'll shut down your oil, and the customers have to deal with that on a case by case basis." That strikes me as fundamentally different than the previous embargos in the Persian Gulf, in terms of tone and intent. I am out of the loop (and my contacts in DC have been drying up over the past few years as people retire or quit), so I am not sure how close to the mark my analysis lands.
Originally Posted by BonnieLass
(Post 12070343)
Out of curiosity, how would the US respond to this idea?
As to what lars mentions: I recall the foreign workers in the Mid East when I was there (has it really been over 20 years?) who sent home remittances. From memory, the most common labor imports were from the Philippines, Bangladesh, Pakistan, and Indonesia. (But I may have crossed a few wires in memory). They did hard jobs in the hot sun, and were treated like dirt. |
I concur with LW's assessment that Iran will find a way to get hold of nuclear weapons. If anything current nastiness will be an added motivation. They see their lack of a nuclear deterrent as an existential threat and would love to be in the same position as N Korea.
In some ways, the Saudis already have nukes. They are believed to have financed the Pakistani programme and the quid pro you had culminated in the Saudi/Pakistan defence pact with its NATO Article 5 equivalent. |
Originally Posted by larssnowpharter
(Post 12070487)
They are believed to have financed the Pakistani programme and the quid pro you had culminated in the Saudi/Pakistan defence pact with its NATO Article 5 equivalent.
Originally Posted by FP
September 23, 2025, 4:51 PM
Pakistan and Saudi Arabia signed a defense pact last week that provides mutual security guarantees. The agreement is likely to have ramifications for South Asia, as it comes at a particularly fraught moment in the region. It follows the short but intense India-Pakistan conflict in May, after a terrorist attack in Indian-administered Kashmir, which New Delhi says was sponsored by Islamabad. |
A whole bunch of empty tankers headed for the US looking for fuel.
One wonders if this was part of the “Brilliant Plan” |
The mutual defence pact is the recent one but the Saudi funding, as far as I know, has never been proven. Money circulation - in the Middle East especially - being a bit on the murky side.
As to being surrounded, Pakistan might be a tad anxious about Iran having nuclear weapons this leaving it with a nuclear armed neighbour on two borders. |
One wonders if this was part of the “Brilliant Plan” |
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