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How many kilos or how big should be nuclear bomb to destroy city like Tel Aviv? Delivery is the problem to overcome. |
"but they are not at that logistical level even if they have technology to produce A bomb."
They have IRBM's that could hit most of Europe and India putting a nuclear warhead on one wouldn't be that difficult |
Yesterday’s What is going on with shipping.
As Sal says…now that they have caught it what are they going to do with it. Hit in the engine room ..no power and maybe no steering… they will need a big Tug or two. I would have thought a couple of shells into a container on the bow whould have been equally as effective…however that could be very problematic if the contents were explosive or flammable. Did they try the classic “Shot across the bow?” |
Originally Posted by albatross
(Post 12073485)
Yesterday’s What is going on with shipping.
As Sam says…now that they have caught it what are they going to do with it. Hit in the engine room ..no power and maybe no steering… they will need a big Tug or two. I would have thought a couple of shells into a container on the bow whould have been equally as effective…however that could be very problematic if the contents were explosive or flammable. Did they try the classic “Shot across the bow?” https://youtu.be/hcUgIXRHLbM?si=gda9uHXDBRi59iSc |
Four rounds of 5" SAP into the engine room will have trashed the diesel engine. Surprised the AB pulled off so far (couple of miles) before letting loose.
Definitely a test of resolve. |
As someone who has been involved in negotiation all my working life, many involving very high $$ value items such as complete power stations, radar systems and defense development programs, I see one huge flaw with the way the USA is conducting this presently.
A fundamental first principle of any negotiation is to look for the win-win. This is so both parties can exit any negotiations with their pride intact and can go back to the folks on their side f things with some perceived wins. If they have to go back with absolutely nothing to their people (whether that be their board of directors or population) then that will be seen as a loss and major loss of face. At present, the USA stance from Trump / Vance / Rubio is to approach every negotiation with other nations (whether it's trade / tariffs / military) with a win-lose....so the USA must be seen to have comprehensively won every single time and the other party must be seen to have comprehensively lost, even utterly humiliated. Sometimes when we were in a very strong position, I found it helped to even manufacture some "wins" for the other party that were largely insignificant to our side but allowed them to go back with a list of things that they had achieved to soften conceding some quite key points to us. Again, it's that win-win. I fear peace is a very long way off with the current USA stance of bomb - threaten annihilation - declare total victory - bomb again - threaten annihilation again etc etc on a daily basis will never get a conclusion. If Iran is beaten and totally humiliated into submission, it will leave an incredibly resentful leadership and population in Iran who may well double down to re-arm and gain a WMD capability and in a few years we are back to square one. Germany after WW1 anyone? I'm retired now but I shake my head in despair at how these negotiations are being conducted.....by complete amateurs it seems. |
Originally Posted by SINGAPURCANAC
(Post 12073428)
I also suspect tgat they are able to produce A bomb. They are not so well educated.
Hate can not substitute knowledge. |
Originally Posted by Petit-Lion
(Post 12073499)
You are in for a nasty surprise. The Iranian people are extremely well educated, certainly more than the ones with eleven nuclear carriers.
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Originally Posted by West Coast
(Post 12073489)
Hitting a container on the bow wouldn’t have stopped a ship that knowingly was attempting to run a blockade. My belief was this was a test by the Iranian government to determine the resolve of the USN, whether the ship would be stopped or not.
It would be better to keep the ship in a navigational condition would it not? “ Under UNCLOS (Part III, Articles 34–45), all ships and aircraft enjoy the right of transit passage through international straits, allowing continuous and expeditious navigation between high seas/exclusive economic zones. Transit passage cannot be suspended by bordering states.” Of course Iran closed the strait first so we have the ongoing kindergarten playground “But Billy Started It!,” blubberfest. No to worry the US has Vice President JD Vance, special envoy Steve Witkoff, and Jared Kushner at the helm of the negotiations…what could possibly go wrong? |
Originally Posted by SINGAPURCANAC
(Post 12073428)
I also suspect tgat they are able to produce A bomb. They are not so well educated.
Hate can not substitute knowledge. |
Originally Posted by albatross
(Post 12073503)
I would think a couple of shells in the bow would have proven to the Iranian government the USN’s resolve to use force if required to enforce its controversial blockade of the strait. From the distance they fired it would have been easy to hit the bridge or accommodations instead of the engine room.
It would be better to keep the ship in a navigational condition would it not? “ Under UNCLOS (Part III, Articles 34–45), all ships and aircraft enjoy the right of transit passage through international straits, allowing continuous and expeditious navigation between high seas/exclusive economic zones. Transit passage cannot be suspended by bordering states.” Of course Iran closed the strait first so we have the ongoing kindergarten playground “But Billy Started It!,” blubberfest. No to worry the US has Vice President JD Vance, special envoy Steve Witkoff, and Jared Kushner at the helm of the negotiations…what could possibly go wrong? Media is reporting this particular ship is used in part to transport chemicals used in Iran’s missiles, so yes disabling it is understandable. |
Originally Posted by West Coast
(Post 12073518)
Media is reporting this particular ship is used in part to transport chemicals used in Iran’s missiles, so yes disabling it is understandable.
As Sal stated the only way to search all the containers is to unload the ship and that necessitates access to a dock and container cranes. Plus who wants to allow a ship that may be carrying very dangerous cargo and could even be booby trapped to go “Bang” into their harbour? Much easier to accomplish if the ship is drivable vs dragging the darn thing around at 4-6 knots with, at the moment, mythical tugs. |
Originally Posted by West Coast
(Post 12073518)
Media is reporting this particular ship is used in part to transport chemicals used in Iran’s missiles, so yes disabling it is understandable.
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Originally Posted by Bonkey
(Post 12073556)
Media that since the start of the "excursion" has been mostly peddling sheer propaganda from the aggressor?
So 'media are' or 'medium is'. Otherwise it sets the teeth on edge. |
Originally Posted by albatross
(Post 12073539)
As Sam states the only way to search all the containers is to unload the ship and that necessitates access to a dock and container cranes. Plus who wants to allow a ship that may be carrying very dangerous cargo and could even be booby trapped to go “Bang” into their harbour?
Much easier to accomplish if the ship is drivable vs dragging the darn thing around at 4-6 knots with, at the moment, mythical tugs. He also alluded to the fact there aren't many commercial ports in the area which would want to get involved in this mullarkey. |
Originally Posted by West Coast
(Post 12073518)
Media is reporting this particular ship is used in part to transport chemicals used in Iran’s missiles.
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Originally Posted by Tu.114
(Post 12073559)
Based on this logic, one could impound every cab in the world and also every last airliner. To the last one of them, they all are certain to have had something illicit on board on one or another journey during their service life, if it spanned more than a few days.
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Originally Posted by dead_pan
(Post 12073568)
That's a very specific claim, presumably based on inside information, yes? So I'm guessing you're talking about Fox?
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Originally Posted by West Coast
(Post 12073593)
The ship is allegedly owned by a company controlled by the government of Iran and has been known in the past to be involved in the transport of chemicals used to fuel missiles. Divert attention away all you’d like, there are indicators this particular ship has a history. Unlike every cab, every airliner, or any other form of transportation, this ship tried to run a blockade.
All the better to embarrass the US when they seize the ship, potentially Injure innocent seamen in the process, and then come up empty handed after an expensive military operation, salvage operation and search all under the glow of camera lights. |
Originally Posted by albatross
(Post 12073606)
If I were Iran and wanted to test US resolve I would make damn sure use a sanitized ship loaded with nothing but Toys, children's books, Rainbows, Unicorrn fodder, Baby food, medicine and other benign Red Crescent / Cross equipment.
All the better to embarrass the US when they seize the ship, potentially Injure innocent seamen in the process, and then come up empty handed after an expensive military operation, salvage operation and search all under the glow of camera lights. |
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