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Originally Posted by langleybaston
(Post 12048003)
Troodos station.
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Originally Posted by Bob Viking
(Post 12048004)
Iranian schools, hospital and landmarks among civilian sites hit during US-Israeli strikes https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cpw004xqxnjo
It would really help the US/Israel cause if they were to be a little more careful what they destroyed. BV |
Originally Posted by 212man
(Post 12048012)
Looks like it’s in Episkopi’s portfolio
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Rumor, heard from a friend yesterday who has been following this closely.
{He got laid off in November, and spends a lot of time looking into stuff that interests him...he's pondering which of three job offers to accept}... The substance of his observations is: Based on various open source reports, the Iranian Regular Army has, so far, not been targeted while the IRGC has. I am not sure how that distinction gets made. If that was an explicit RoE from CENTCOM (or higher), then I suppose that where such distinctions can be made a "weapons tight" call is made. Again, it's a rumor, but given the structure of the Iranian Army and the IRGC, and their relationships, it makes a certain sort of sense... Wikipedia has an OK summary of their organization, but as usual add grains of salt where necessary... The Islamic Republic of Iran Armed Forces, also known as the Iranian Armed Forces, are the combined military forces of Iran, comprising the Islamic Republic of Iran Army (Artesh), the Police Command (Faraja) and the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (Sepah). |
TDR
Originally Posted by tdracer
(Post 12048013)
Might have something to do with post 3400 by ORAC...
It’s terribly inconvenient and it’s a dastardly trick by the enemy but it just proves that regime change and war in general cannot just be fought from 30-40,000’. By the way, I say that as an ex RAF ground attack FJ pilot. I will also add that you can, of course, fight a war in this way. It just makes you one of the bad guys. BV |
Salute!
Well, the folks that flew into the Trade Towers and Pentagon exercised immense care to avoid collateral damage, expecially the Pentagon dude, who had to be about 25 ft over the parking lot on his approach. Afterwards we voted for that fellow as the best pilot, Atta second on AA11, and second tower dude the worst. /sarc I flew 3 missions over Hanoi during the blitz, getting the crap shot outta me and my friends, and the maps on our kneepads even had Hanoi Jane''s hotel marked and same for Joan Baez so we dare not drop near them. Sheesh. Guess we had a different view of collateral damage than Atta and his wingie. Mogs might chime in here, as he had a few chances to violate the ROE that I am sure the RN Harriers had, and same for the 35 B's now in Jordan as we speak. Gums sends... |
Originally Posted by Lonewolf_50
(Post 12048006)
Apology to both you and Ninthace, and to SP.
I'll let it go. |
Originally Posted by Lonewolf_50
(Post 12048015)
Rumor, heard from a friend yesterday who has been following this closely.
{He got laid off in November, and spends a lot of time looking into stuff that interests him...he's pondering which of three job offers to accept}... The substance of his observations is: Based on various open source reports, the Iranian Regular Army has, so far, not been targeted while the IRGC has. I am not sure how that distinction gets made. If that was an explicit RoE from CENTCOM (or higher), then I suppose that where such distinctions can be made a "weapons tight" call is made. Again, it's a rumor, but given the structure of the Iranian Army and the IRGC, and their relationships, it makes a certain sort of sense... Wikipedia has an OK summary of their organization, but as usual add grains of salt where necessary... |
Do you mean Episkopi? It’s in the Akrotiri one. https://www.mfa.gr/images/docs/kypri... Article 1. The territory of the Republic of Cyprus shall comprise the Island of Cyprus, together with the islands lying off its coast, with the exception of the two areas defined in Annex A to this Treaty, which areas shall remain under the sovereignty of the United Kingdom. These areas are in this Treaty and its Annexes referred to as the Akrotiri Sovereign Base Area and the Dhekelia Sovereign Base Area. Article 2 (1) The Republic of Cyprus shall accord to the United Kingdom the rights set forth in Annex B to this Treaty. (2) The Republic of Cyprus shall co-operate fully with the United Kingdom to ensure the security and effective operation of the military bases situated in the Akrotiri Sovereign Base Area and the Dhekelia Sovereign Base Area, and the full enjoyment by the United Kingdom of the rights conferred by this Treaty…. ANNEX A SECTION 1 The Akrotiri Sovereign Base Area anal the Dhekelia Sovereign Base Area shall comprise the two areas which are approximately indicated in red on Map A and Map B attached to this Annex. 2. - a) The land boundaries of the Akrotiri Sovereign Base Area shall be as defined in the maps, air photographs and description contained in Schedule A to this Annex. (b) The land boundaries of the Dhekelia Sovereign Base Area shall be as defined in the maps, air photographs and description contained in Schedule B to this Annex. 3. The maps, air photographs and descriptions in Schedules A and B to this Annexshall be interpreted in accordance with the Introductory Notes to those Schedules…. ANNEX B Part II SECTION 1 1. The Government of the United Kingdom shall have the right to continue to use, without restriction or interference, the Sites in the territory of the Republic of Cyprus listed in Schedule A to this Part of this Annex. 2. The Government of the United Kingdom shall have the right to continue to use, without restriction or interference, the Sites in the territory of the Republic of Cyprus listed in Schedule B to this Part of this Annex, but shall terminate the use of those Sites as soon as practicable. 3. The Government of the United Kingdom shall have the right to obtain, after consultation with the Government of the Republic of Cyprus, the use of such additional small Sites as the United Kingdom may, from time to time, consider technically necessary for the efficient use of its base areas and installations in the Island of Cyprus…… https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....4ceef6bbc.jpeg |
All about unconditional surrender, methinks. I doubt that most wars are fought with both sides having a detailed plan as regards follow-up. It depends what the winning and losing sides end up with.
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Originally Posted by ORAC
(Post 12048035)
I think Troodos must count as a small site.
https://www.mfa.gr/images/docs/kypri... https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....4ceef6bbc.jpeg |
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....c0eb5e2252.png
USAF tankers The USAF not bothering to turn off their transponders sends quite the message. |
LB
There are other small, very important sites closer to home, indeed the cousins have one about 30 miles away from where I type of which I am sceptical of purpose internally so to speak. Cheers Mr Mac |
Originally Posted by MissChief
(Post 12048036)
All about unconditional surrender, methinks. I doubt that most wars are fought with both sides having a detailed plan as regards follow-up. It depends what the winning and losing sides end up with.
The Persians have a fair old history, none that would suggest that they are pacifists or swayed by public opinion, or by a vote in some nameless corridor or as a response to some oligarch, tech or otherwise wanting to mess in the affairs of state. A change in direction will arise when there is a change in the mood of the country, and assuming that any Iranian is less irritated at being plinked at than any European, or American is probably a losing bet. Exactly how many occasions in history has attacking at range altered the status of a combatant? The Strategic Bombing Survey was a sobering read, and nothing much else has changed in the meantime, other than accuracy increasing which reduces collateral damage. Rolling Thunder depleted the SA-2 inventory, at considerable cost to both sides. Shock n' Awww? great footage, and some impressive moments, but the change of note was on the ground, and opportunity squandered by politics. WMD? It appears easier to build resentment than support. What does "unconditional surrender" mean when there is no war? That social media communique will keep historians busy for the next half a century. |
Originally Posted by Mr Mac
(Post 12048060)
LB
There are other small, very important sites closer to home, indeed the cousins have one about 30 miles away from where I type of which I am sceptical of purpose internally so to speak. Cheers Mr Mac |
LB
Don’t mention Bridlington 😉 Great Lobster port information? Cheers Mr Mac |
Originally Posted by fdr
(Post 12048062)
What does "unconditional surrender" mean when there is no war?
Certain folks shooting from the hip verbally do not understand that.
Spoiler
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So after three or four weeks where Iran's leadership is decapitated. It's military decimated and therefore it's ability to defend itself limited. You have an Iran open to invasion by any authoritarian faction that decides to have a go.
Is that the point where Trump goes home, collects his peace prize and we all suffer another 10 years of terrorism and mass immigration? |
Originally Posted by fdr
(Post 12048062)
Which team?
The Persians have a fair old history, none that would suggest that they are pacifists or swayed by public opinion, or by a vote in some nameless corridor or as a response to some oligarch, tech or otherwise wanting to mess in the affairs of state. A change in direction will arise when there is a change in the mood of the country, and assuming that any Iranian is less irritated at being plinked at than any European, or American is probably a losing bet. Exactly how many occasions in history has attacking at range altered the status of a combatant? The Strategic Bombing Survey was a sobering read, and nothing much else has changed in the meantime, other than accuracy increasing which reduces collateral damage. Rolling Thunder depleted the SA-2 inventory, at considerable cost to both sides. Shock n' Awww? great footage, and some impressive moments, but the change of note was on the ground, and opportunity squandered by politics. WMD? It appears easier to build resentment than support. What does "unconditional surrender" mean when there is no war? That social media communique will keep historians busy for the next half a century. |
Originally Posted by DogTailRed2
(Post 12048095)
So after three or four weeks where Iran's leadership is decapitated. It's military decimated and therefore it's ability to defend itself limited. You have an Iran open to invasion by any authoritarian faction that decides to have a go.
Is that the point where Trump goes home, collects his peace prize and we all suffer another 10 years of terrorism and mass immigration? |
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