Originally Posted by Timmy Tomkins;11370856[b[b
]]It's reassuring to see that thGermany is competing with the UK for lies.
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Originally Posted by Tartiflette Fan
(Post 11371541)
"All "UK based" expertise and capability could be shut down and moved at the drop of a hat"
Care to prove what you write ? The fact is that the UK is largely beholden to a German company as far as heavy armour goes. We are seeing Germany refusing to allow armour to be sent to Ukraine because they own the IPR and end user chits. Do we want to be in that position? |
Netting around a Krab prevents a suicide drone kill.
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Originally Posted by _Agrajag_
(Post 11371533)
The key is in the wording "Rheinmetall BAE Systems Land (RBSL) is a UK-based combat vehicles design, manufacturing and support business."
It is neither UK owned nor UK controlled. All "UK based" expertise and capability could be shut down and moved at the drop of a hat. Nothing the UK government could do to stop it. A new British military vehicle design, manufacturing and support joint venture will be unveiled at this year’s Defence and Security Equipment International (DSEI) event in London, between September 10th and 13th. The new company is known as Rheinmetall BAE Systems Land (RBSL) and was formed on July 1st 2019 between Rheinmetall Defence UK and BAE Systems’ UK combat vehicle business. RBSL will sustain around 450 jobs across the UK and is well positioned for future growth. The joint ventur |
Originally Posted by Timmy Tomkins
(Post 11371516)
Thatcherite selling off our expertise for next to nothing, is going to seriously bite us in the bum. From Agrajag
Not just in this field either. The family Silver was sold off then and has kept being so. Politics drove construction of two new aircraft carriers and I leave it to those who know a lot more than me to judge if that was the right priority. Frankly I doubt it The only trouble is British Steel is Chinese owned. How does that happen? |
Originally Posted by NutLoose
(Post 11371566)
Well that says a joint venture.
We've already been through this with other joint ventures. It's nothing new. Just because something is made by a joint venture does not grant one of the members unilateral control on how the product is used. |
Boris is back in Ukraine showing his support for them, no doubt some of his detractors will slate him for it, but I have nothing but admiration for his support for Ukraine and their people, He puts himself in harms way to show that support and bolster the Ukrainian resolve.
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Originally Posted by _Agrajag_;11371549[b
]It's a German owned company, [/b]part of the Rheinmetall Group based in Düsseldorf. The IPR on a lot of their technology is owned by the group. Germany may be a NATO ally and friendly towards the UK, but things can change. Germany, Italy, The Netherlands and a few other European states have just found out how things can change quickly with gas supplies.
The fact is that the UK is largely beholden to a German company as far as heavy armour goes. We are seeing Germany refusing to allow armour to be sent to Ukraine because they own the IPR and end user chits. Do we want to be in that position? |
Originally Posted by NutLoose
(Post 11371580)
Boris is back in Ukraine showing his support for them, no doubt some of his detractors will slate him for it, but I have nothing but admiration for his support for Ukraine and their people, He puts himself in harms way to show that support and bolster the Ukrainian resolve.
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I am not going there anymore with the Rheinmetall BAe set up, it is dragging the thread away from what is important, the war.
USA is offering tanks from their stocks to those countries willing to free the Leopards. |
Originally Posted by Video Mixdown
(Post 11371592)
Absolutely. Arguably Ukraine would already be lost without his leadership on this.
delivered Brexit [not fault-free], the will of the majority. acted deciseivly in the early days of Covid, eg astra zeneca, before making an arse of himself yet again. led the world in supporting Ukraine. Not politics, statesmanship. And I reiterate that I am not a fan, and not a Conservative. |
U.K. has upped the Challenger deliveries to 16 up 2 from the original 14
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Originally Posted by Tartiflette Fan
(Post 11371585)
Well no, not as I understand company law. It is 55% Rheinmetall and 45% BAE. Unless you are privvy to full contractual data about the partners rights and responsibilities, your remark about everything could be closed down "just like that " is just unfounded speculation.
We are seeing Germany refusing to allow other countries send their Leopards to Ukraine. What's to stop Germany refusing to allow the UK to send any kit with a German IP turret somewhere it doesn't want to? As for moving out of the UK, then there is nothing in law keeping production at Telford. It's there because BAE took over Alvis, and Alvis produced armoured vehicles in Telford. If it is cheaper to manufacture in another country then what's to stop them just shutting up shop? It's happened with small arms. When the small arms ROF got bought by Heckler and Koch UK small arms manufacture moved to Germany (Oberndorf, I believe). |
In the clip of Boris, post 13796, isn't the Union Flag upside-down? That used to be a signal for distress I believe.
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Not how it works. Look at other joint ventures. Even a minor partner can own critical IP that controls how the bit of kit gets used. If they have input into the end-user certificate they can influence who you can sell it too - they can’t influence how you use it yourself. |
BREAKING: Germany will not stand in the way if Poland sends leopard tanks to Ukraine, Germany's foreign minister says - Reuters
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Originally Posted by Not_a_boffin
(Post 11371496)
we haven't designed a "new" main battle tank in the UK since the mid-80s, so it's not as if there was a design team to disperse in the first place..
OTOH, neither the Abrams or Leopard have shown notable weaknesses in actual combat. Hence the focus has been on updating them with more modern technology rather than doing a new design. |
I am beginning to wonder how long Ukrainians were training on Bradley's in Germany before the announced transfers.🤔
American infantry fighting vehicles M2 Bradley are spotted in Poland today Polish railway company PKP Polskie Linie Kolejowe transports Bradleys toward the Ukrainian border. |
Originally Posted by tdracer
(Post 11371675)
To be fair, the Abrams entered service in the 1980s. So it's not like anyone has a MBT design team currently in place.
Abrams X - or abrams replacement is on the drawing board Euro MBT is being developed by france and germany Panther prototype was released by Rheinmetal Tracked boxer has also been demoed K2 - development of upgrades and national specs is still happening ie K2PL So yeah plenty of tank design teams still working away |
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