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Beamr 21st Dec 2022 18:37


Originally Posted by Tartiflette Fan (Post 11352367)
I read a number of posts but saw nothing that explained the references to Amnesty. Can anyone enlighten me/give a link ?

it's a reference to an amnesty report in August where they stated that "“Ukrainian fighting tactics endanger civilians.”
by placing military installments close to civilian infrastructure and that Ukrainian military should somehow protect populated areas from afar.

the entire report was fuel for Russian propaganda.

Beamr 21st Dec 2022 18:55

More war propaganda, go to war and you'll shake the debt collecting goons. And a nagging wife.
Interesting part is that this video really shows them as mafia stereotypes in black leather jackets and threatening to break his arm. Not your regular bank officials... Is Russian Federation paying gaming debts as well? Go and die for motherland and your bookie gets paid. Your mom gets a soft(ish) towel for her loss.



Beamr 21st Dec 2022 19:08

Apparently a red on red incident. How sad. Especially as that is very identifiable and Ukraine doesn't have any. Apparently pilots made it though, but ejection seats weren't used. Or... they tried to but the seats were U/S, as has been reported earlier in some instances.



Tartiflette Fan 21st Dec 2022 21:02

In view of the current tensions with Moldovda, what prevemts them from inviting a NATO force to sit on their border ? Acceptance of this is, is not guaranteed , of course.

DaveReidUK 21st Dec 2022 21:42


Originally Posted by Beamr (Post 11352371)
it's a reference to an amnesty report in August where they stated that "“Ukrainian fighting tactics endanger civilians.”
by placing military installments close to civilian infrastructure and that Ukrainian military should somehow protect populated areas from afar.

the entire report was fuel for Russian propaganda.

While it was indeed used for propaganda purposes by the Russians, I don't recall any criticisms that it was factually incorrect.

Wokkafans 21st Dec 2022 22:25


Wokkafans 21st Dec 2022 22:39

"Internal footage of a Russian Pantsir-S1 AD system attempting to engage incoming Ukrainian GMLRS rockets."

Comments in the threat explain what's going on.


NutLoose 21st Dec 2022 22:55

Fascinating Russian soldiers view of how the war is going and their capabilities.

https://wartranslated.com/russian-vo...ter-offensive/

ORAC 21st Dec 2022 22:57

Russia is planning on building six army aviation brigades, and 3 more bomber rgts next year... with what?


https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....8c6fe6871b.png
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rattman 21st Dec 2022 23:08


Originally Posted by ORAC (Post 11352509)
Russia is planning on building six army aviation brigades, and 3 more bomber rgts next year... with what?

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The takes outs for me, unlimited budget from the army, specifically “the country and the government are providing everything that the army asks for”
Secondly going from 700 000 proffessional soldiers to 1.5 million
and the thing that nobody seems to understand why. conscription going from 18-27 to 21 - 30. Maybe the large number that fled might be an acutal issue

Then there minor stuff like 2 extra VDV divisions, 3 new divisions of occupied territiories, plus about a 12 brigades (mostly coastal defence)are being upgraded to divisions

uxb99 21st Dec 2022 23:44


Originally Posted by Beamr (Post 11352388)
Apparently a red on red incident. How sad. Especially as that is very identifiable and Ukraine doesn't have any. Apparently pilots made it though, but ejection seats weren't used. Or... they tried to but the seats were U/S, as has been reported earlier in some instances.

https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status...31564589682688

If it still has it's rotors doesn't that mean an ejection wasn't attempted? I thought the blades blow off then you bang out?

Big Pistons Forever 22nd Dec 2022 00:50


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 11352508)
Fascinating Russian soldiers view of how the war is going and their capabilities.



https://wartranslated.com/russian-vo...ter-offensive/

Seems like an accurate summary of current Russian military capability and intent :E

Winemaker 22nd Dec 2022 01:11


Originally Posted by Beamr (Post 11352384)
More war propaganda, go to war and you'll shake the debt collecting goons. And a nagging wife.
Interesting part is that this video really shows them as mafia stereotypes in black leather jackets and threatening to break his arm. Not your regular bank officials... Is Russian Federation paying gaming debts as well? Go and die for motherland and your bookie gets paid. Your mom gets a soft(ish) towel for her loss.

https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/...75428243099648

Excerpt they don't pay the debt, they only provide a debt 'holiday'. After (if) you get back you still owe the money. What a bizarre piece of propaganda.

Beamr 22nd Dec 2022 03:11


Originally Posted by uxb99 (Post 11352524)
If it still has it's rotors doesn't that mean an ejection wasn't attempted? I thought the blades blow off then you bang out?

unless the sequence for ejection malfunctioned. Then the blades wouldn't blow away either.

Bengo 22nd Dec 2022 07:57


Originally Posted by Winemaker (Post 11352547)
Excerpt they don't pay the debt, they only provide a debt 'holiday'. After (if) you get back you still owe the money. What a bizarre piece of propaganda.


Yes, but you might come back with enough washing machines, refrigerators, TVs or whatever to sell and settle the debt.

If you come back at all.

NutLoose 22nd Dec 2022 08:02

When I look at that downed Russian helicopter I look at the near intact port engine and think ooooohh spares for the previously downed one that suffered damage to the port engine, thus possibly allowing….cough, cough..…. the US to put it back into the air for evaluation ;)

NutLoose 22nd Dec 2022 08:07


Originally Posted by Bengo (Post 11352661)
Yes, but you might come back with enough washing machines, refrigerators, TVs or whatever to sell and settle the debt.

If you come back at all.

Their whole adverts start off with not getting paid at work, being made redundant etc, so not the brightest to continue working for them when they do not pay you.

Wokkafans 22nd Dec 2022 11:29

Russian War Crimes Against Civilians - Bucha

Graphic from the start: https://www.nytimes.com/video/world/...?smid=pl-share

ORAC 22nd Dec 2022 11:33

Russian Navy Project 11345 Kuznetsov-class aircraft carrier RFS Admiral Kuznetsov (063) suffers 'minor fire' according to local sources after leaving drydock in Murmanak, Russia - December 22, 2022


https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....90ca4b16a.jpeg
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meleagertoo 22nd Dec 2022 13:06

Three years old, that pic...

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....0e2c8cd5ac.png


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