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ORAC 21st Sep 2022 10:19

Lithuanian MOD:

As Russia's military mobilisation will also take place near our borders, in the Kaliningrad region, Lithuania cannot just watch. Lithuania's Rapid Reaction Force is being put on high alert to prevent any provocation from Russia.

dead_pan 21st Sep 2022 10:27


Originally Posted by ORAC (Post 11300045)
Lithuanian MOD:

As Russia's military mobilisation will also take place near our borders, in the Kaliningrad region, Lithuania cannot just watch. Lithuania's Rapid Reaction Force is being put on high alert to prevent any provocation from Russia.

Quite a cute response. Perhaps the remainder of NATO countries bordering Russia should do likewise to force them to divert forces away from Ukraine?

ORAC 21st Sep 2022 10:27

ChrisO:

1/ There'll be lots of commentary this morning about the logistical difficulties of Putin's announcement of a partial mobilisation. But I thought I'd add a few points, based on my own personal observations, of what it means politically and for the troops already in Ukraine….

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1...937877506.html


Arestovych comments on the mobilisation, says the mobilised will only be used to replenish existing formations.

Xeptu 21st Sep 2022 10:34

12 weeks. (how long Putin lasts) So they liberate them and then conscript them like a press gang, sorta defeats the purpose of liberation doesn't it

Pali 21st Sep 2022 10:45

Putin is cornered thus dangerous indeed. 300.000 conscripts armed with steel helmets and AK-74 will end up as пушечное мясо (cannon fodder). Their best tank units are defeated, remaining stocks of mothballed armour are less and less usable, air force cannot gain air superiority and Putin will grow desperate more and more.

Even if he would use tactical nuke on the battlefield it will not bring him much advantage. Though most of the people are too afraid to even think about it the only option Putin has in order to win, is to drop nuclear warhead on Odessa (man, how he hates that city...) and then some other major town and if Ukraine wouldn't give in then he would wipe out Kyiv too. He would be the worst war criminal in history but does he give a damn? "Why do we need the world if Russia is not in it?"

We can only hope that he will not dare to go that far or his generals and army will deny such order. He is doomed but the question is if he will pull the rest of the humanity with him into abyss.


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rattman 21st Sep 2022 11:01

Reports on russian telegram, first wave of a conscription notifications are arriving. Multiple reports that initial wave seems to be doctors and assorted medical staff so far

Xeptu 21st Sep 2022 11:22


Originally Posted by jolihokistix (Post 11300071)
Putin’s subconscious has finally backed him into the very corner he has always feared.

The problem is that he is trying to take the whole of Russia with him.

I don't think so. 300,000 ex military recalled conscripts along with anyone with skills is a big enough army to stand up to Putin, not to mention they are probably highly respected by the current serving soldiers, if they say "enough" I don't think many Russians will disagree. That would be one hell of a coup.

DirtyProp 21st Sep 2022 11:39

I seriously doubt the rashists will be able to get 300k warm bodies to do their bidding. Remember that everyone lies to everyone, I read a post (here maybe?) where a soldier clearly stated that their captain reported more than 100 soldiers operational in his unit while the reality was less than a quarter. They'll probably inflate the numbers to look good and show they reached their quota.

NutLoose 21st Sep 2022 12:04

The circle of life, Russian style , out of the fridge to go to Ukraine to get loaded back into one to travel home again.

https://twitter.com/i_army_org/status/1572535239767105541


..

NutLoose 21st Sep 2022 12:13

At least some Belarusians are not going down without a fight.


Just a spotter 21st Sep 2022 12:17

Let's reflect on the situation the Russian armed forces are in as they prepare for a influx of new mobilised reservists ...

They sent a portion of their training capability into front line service in Ukraine back in May
Forbes 5th May 2022
https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidax...h=3c6d55eba98f

The quantity and quality of equipment available to the Russians is low and declining
Breaking Defense 11th Sept 2022
https://breakingdefense.com/2022/09/...into-invasion/

The Russian Air Force has failed to control the skies and by some assessments, is incapable of operating in a coordinated way with ground elements
The Spectator 18th Sept 2022
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/...s-over-ukraine

Russia continues to move naval assets away from the combat area
Naval News 14th Sept 2022
https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news...g-from-crimea/

I guess Mssr.Putin et al are relying on the spirit of the Great Patriotic War to get them through ..... in which case, training for those mobilised may well be similar to


JAS

NutLoose 21st Sep 2022 12:22


Originally Posted by Xeptu (Post 11300081)
I don't think so. 300,000 ex military recalled conscripts along with anyone with skills is a big enough army to stand up to Putin, not to mention they are probably highly respected by the current serving soldiers, if they say "enough" I don't think many Russians will disagree. That would be one hell of a coup.

It's not 300,000

It will be closer to 100,000 plus 200,000 wages pocketed by every man and his dog all the way up the food chain ;)

Xeptu 21st Sep 2022 12:43


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 11300124)
It's not 300,000

It will be closer to 100,000 plus 200,000 wages pocketed by every man and his dog all the way up the food chain ;)

Yep Fair Call and probably closer to reality

pasta 21st Sep 2022 12:44


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 11300109)
The circle of life, Russian style , out of the fridge to go to Ukraine to get loaded back in one to travel home again.

And then get left in a Belgorod railway siding with the power turned off.

NutLoose 21st Sep 2022 13:21


Originally Posted by rattman (Post 11300063)
Reports on russian telegram, first wave of a conscription notifications are arriving. Multiple reports that initial wave seems to be doctors and assorted medical staff so far

So you arrive at a Russian hospital for treatment after getting back from the front, to be told your Doctor has gone to the...front.

chopper2004 21st Sep 2022 14:27

Former head of Moscow Aviation Institute takes a tumble
 
OOps

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ts-stairs.html

and now everyone is leaving the sinking ship to avoid the call up with five figure sums from the airlines!!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...y-call-up.html

cheers

melmothtw 21st Sep 2022 14:33


Originally Posted by chopper2004 (Post 11300199)
OOps

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ts-stairs.html

and now everyone is leaving the sinking ship to avoid the call up with five figure sums from the airlines!!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...y-call-up.html

cheers

Planes, trains, and now automobiles...



Big Pistons Forever 21st Sep 2022 16:18


Originally Posted by fdr (Post 11300036)
I'm in for $10 on that sweepstake. I take a window cleaning whoopsie by 17:00UTC 28SEP22

(the voice of reason is getting just a mite weary with Putin)

Things have to get worse before they get better. I think Putin is eventually going to have a bad case of high velocity lead poisoning, but not before December-ish when it is obvious that the Russian army has for all intents and purposes, collapsed and EU gas supplies are high enough to remove all of Putin’s leverage.

I wonder what back channel feelers with Putin’s inner circle are being pursued. We will never know of course but it makes for interesting speculation……

NutLoose 21st Sep 2022 16:26

My thoughts on that for some reason BPF is of the film "The Sum of All Fears" where you see the Russian traitor running through the snow in a forest followed by two "KGB" officers who proceed to pump two mags into him.... Somehow that gives me a warm feeling towards it possibly happening to Putin.

Spunky Monkey 21st Sep 2022 16:37

Those trying to flee Russia into Finland, if they are Russian or Belorussian - don't let them through.
If they don't want to be called up to fight, then they should stay and help bring down the despotic apparatus.


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