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Just so long as no one steps off an airplane waving a piece of paper that “Guarantees Peace in Our Time!”
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Those that haven’t left the country have moved to the western Ukrainian city of Lviv - which would seem an indication it might be attacked.
If it is, and falls, the Lviv could become the de facto capital, in the manner of Bonn, in a divided nation…. https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...mats-flee-kyiv ‘It is past time to leave Ukraine’: western diplomats flee Kyiv ….The US and Canadian embassies have sent non-essential staff and family members home and are evacuating others to the western Ukrainian city of Lviv. American, Canadian and British military trainers in the country have also been withdrawn. Office space and hotel rooms in Lviv are at a premium as diplomats and businesses temporarily relocate there. Britain’s ambassador, Melinda Simmons, will stay in Kyiv and work with a core team, while other British diplomats have been sent home.…. |
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ion-fears-grow
Ukraine allocates $592m to maintain flights amid fears of invasion Ukraine has allocated $592m (£437m) to guarantee the continuation of flights to and from the country, as fears of flying over its airspace led some airlines to scrap or divert flights as tensions between the west and the Kremlin mount over a possible Russian invasion. The prime minister, Denys Shmyhal, said the funds “were allocated to ensure flight safety in Ukraine for insurance and leasing companies” and would “stabilise the situation on the market of passenger air transportation and will guarantee the return to Ukraine of our citizens who are currently abroad”. The Dutch carrier KLM had earlier cancelled flights to Ukraine after the Netherlands government issued a travel warning over the risks of flying in the region, while Germany’s Lufthansa said it was considering suspending air traffic. A passenger plane operated by the Ukrainian charter airline SkyUp, which was on its way to Kyiv from Madeira in Portugal, was meanwhile diverted on Saturday to the Moldovan capital, Chișinău, after the plane’s Irish owner said it was banning flights in Ukrainian airspace.….. Mustafa Nayyem, Ukraine’s deputy infrastructure minister, said on Sunday the government had not closed the country’s airspace. “Closing the airspace is a sovereign right of Ukraine and the government has not taken this decision,” Nayyem wrote on Facebook. Nayyem said the majority of airlines continued to operate but some were facing difficulties with insurers, given fears of a Russian attack. “We expect that in the nearest time the situation will stabilise, but nevertheless the state is ready to support airlines and plans to offer additional financial guarantees to support the air travel market,” wrote Nayyem…… |
There was an intriguing take on the crisis by a guest on Al Jazeera yesterday morning who suggested Ukraine was far too big for Russia to occupy, and that Putin would most likely try to spin the current 'pre-frozen' crisis out for months in the hope of wearing them and the West down and securing further concessions.
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Originally Posted by dead_pan
(Post 11184031)
There was an intriguing take on the crisis by a guest on Al Jazeera yesterday morning who suggested Ukraine was far too big for Russia to occupy, and that Putin would most likely try to spin the current 'pre-frozen' crisis out for months in the hope of wearing them and the West down and securing further concessions.
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Originally Posted by Beamr
(Post 11184038)
Russia may well run through Ukraine with sheer mass, but holding the ground is entirely different topic. It would be painstaking for the Russians to try and occupy such a big country with 44 million people out of which millions are willing to fight the oppressor and many have military training. And now they have weapons to defend themselves, too. And it would eventually escalate to Russia as well, imagine what the IRA did in the 70's and multiply it by X.
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Originally Posted by Not_a_boffin
(Post 11184040)
I doubt the Russ will be concerned with reading RoE from little cards....or trying to treat things as "criminal matters".
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Originally Posted by Beamr
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Russia may well run through Ukraine with sheer mass, but holding the ground is entirely different topic. It would be painstaking for the Russians to try and occupy such a big country with 44 million people out of which millions are willing to fight the oppressor and many have military training. And now they have weapons to defend themselves, too. And it would eventually escalate to Russia as well, imagine what the IRA did in the 70's and multiply it by X.
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How will they fight this? it shows the country will not simply roll over and accept its fate.
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....ceeb512b1.jpeg https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....3c3e3579b4.jpg https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....bd70fdfd9.jpeg https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ary-tests.html https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/newsl...ays/ar-AATOXUS |
A granny with a Heckler? What could possibly go wrong...
On this note I wonder how many eastern Europeans have flocked to Ukraine's cause? Must be a good number of Poles who are spoiling for a fight. |
IMHO Putin knows this will escalate, in fact he is counting on it. This may start as a war in Eastern Ukraine, but it will become WWIII in short order. Having so many combat units from so many nations in the same area (Eastern Europe) is fraught with risk. It only takes 1 Mig to ‘accidentally’ down a NATO aircraft, and it’s game on.
China will be watching with one eye whilst it covets Taiwan with the other. King Jong will be rubbing his hands with delight. Who knows what deals and agreements Putin has quietly made behind the scenes? And Putin is a Cold War Warrior - former Spetznatz. He has seen ‘Mother Russia’ weakened and sidelined. He is getting old, and he will not just watch as his country becomes ever less significant. He will take one last, huge, throw of the dice. He believes that Russia has little left to lose and so much to gain. I am beyond worried about the current situation. |
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-60372815
Out of interest with the threat of Cyberwarfare looming and various institutions and infrastructures at risk, can the world cut off internet access to Russia? and if not are i take it there are the facilities to do likewise to the Russian economy and infrastructures?Russia making serious preparations for invasion - PM |
Looks like Ukrainian International are now positioning aircraft to Castellon in Spain...4 arrivals earlier today. Maybe not such a good sign on what they think will happen soon...😰
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Appears to have been taken out of their hands.
14.02.2022: Due to the foreign policy situation, Ukraine International Airlines (UIA) has received an official notification from insurance companies to terminate the insurance of aircraft for flights in the airspace of Ukraine. In this regard, UIA, at the request of lessors, sends 5 Boeing 737-800 aircraft to Spain while retaining other aircraft in the company's fleet. In addition, 2 aircraft of the airline are sent for scheduled engine maintenance in Belgrade. The airline will notify you of any changes in the future. We recommend to follow the airline's news on the official website, as well as the flight schedule. UIA is making efforts and is constantly negotiating with insurance companies, the Ministry of Infrastructure of Ukraine, the State Aviation Service and hopes for mutual understanding. We remind you that passengers can change the departure date free of charge if the original fare is available, using the online service "Manage my Booking". |
Indeed, interesting. Certainly a good number inbound today to Kviv and scheduled departures tomorrow. Sad situation looming perhaps.
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Originally Posted by ORAC
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Those that haven’t left the country have moved to the western Ukrainian city of Lviv - which would seem an indication it might be attacked.
If it is, and falls, the Lviv could become the de facto capital, in the manner of Bonn, in a divided nation…. https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...mats-flee-kyiv ‘It is past time to leave Ukraine’: western diplomats flee Kyiv ….The US and Canadian embassies have sent non-essential staff and family members home and are evacuating others to the western Ukrainian city of Lviv. American, Canadian and British military trainers in the country have also been withdrawn. Office space and hotel rooms in Lviv are at a premium as diplomats and businesses temporarily relocate there. Britain’s ambassador, Melinda Simmons, will stay in Kyiv and work with a core team, while other British diplomats have been sent home.…. Lyiv was once a Polish city , it may become part of Poland again if the Ukraine is taken off the map like Poland was for 123 years after the partition. Ironic that the Polish army may end up defending a city where poles were slaughtered by Ukrainians in the Polish Ukrainian war . A very dark sense of humour is required when you have a stand up comedian for a leader . |
Originally Posted by Baldeep Inminj
(Post 11184125)
He believes that Russia has little left to lose and so much to gain.
I'm not sure I see any possibility for Russia to win a lot in this whole mess. I think Putin miscalculated the unity of the 'West' and now has the problem how to get out of this without losing face. I am beyond worried about the current situation. |
Originally Posted by henra
(Post 11184236)
I'm also worried because an accident/misunderstanding could easily lead to escalation looking at the high tensions. I hope everyone is aware and reflects in each move what's at stake. |
I agree, Putin has dug himself into a hole and doesn't know how to stop digging.
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Originally Posted by fitliker
(Post 11184206)
Lyiv was once a Polish city , it may become part of Poland again if the Ukraine is taken off the map like Poland was for 123 years after the partition.
Ironic that the Polish army may end up defending a city where poles were slaughtered by Ukrainians in the Polish Ukrainian war . |
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