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ORAC 23rd Aug 2022 15:24

Blaming the UK- makes me proud in a way that we’re still seen as such a Machiavellian threat, the same way Iran still sees us…

The Kremlin's mouthpieces blame Ukraine, Estonia and the UK for Daria Dugina's death, trying to use it to mobilize the population into what they call an existential battle with the West: "Prepare the bomb shelters... The time of peace has come to an end."

dead_pan 23rd Aug 2022 15:54


Originally Posted by ORAC (Post 11283752)
The Kremlin's mouthpieces blame Ukraine, Estonia and the UK for Daria Dugina's death, trying to use it to mobilize the population into what they call an existential battle with the West: "Prepare the bomb shelters... The time of peace has come to an end."

Yawn. Another day, another empty threat.

NutLoose 23rd Aug 2022 15:54


Originally Posted by ORAC (Post 11283752)
Blaming the UK- makes me proud in a way that we’re still seen as such a Machiavellian threat, the same way Iran still sees us…



The Kremlin's mouthpieces blame Ukraine, Estonia and the UK for Daria Dugina's death, trying to use it to mobilize the population into what they call an existential battle with the West: "Prepare the bomb shelters... The time of peace has come to an end."

Well, she was driving a Mini though we just provide the name these days.. It annoys me these muppets on state TV spouting their sh*te are not on the sanctions lists, one of them Vladimir Suckonyov owns a villa in one of the nasty nazified western countries.. Italy!

Video Mixdown 23rd Aug 2022 16:41


Originally Posted by ORAC (Post 11283752)
Blaming the UK- makes me proud in a way that we’re still seen as such a Machiavellian threat, the same way Iran still sees us…

Quite right. I love the desperation and fear on their faces - maybe they're worried that this alleged 'NRA' will be coming for them soon.

Saab Dastard 23rd Aug 2022 18:16


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 11283767)
Well, she was driving a Mini though we just provide the name these days..

Incorrect, still made in the UK.

Move on, please.

FUMR 23rd Aug 2022 19:04

Off thread, with apologies, just to set the record straight: BMW's New Mini Hatch, Coupe and Roadster are built in England at BMW's Plant Oxford facility, while the Hatch, Convertible and Countryman are assembled at VDL Nedcar in Born, The Netherlands.

NutLoose 23rd Aug 2022 19:34

Another nutter another rant, we are all guilty apparently going back to ww2.


Tartiflette Fan 23rd Aug 2022 19:38

Scholz has just announced the delivery of 3 x Iris-T AA systems and 10 recovery-tanks. Total value about E 500 million. No dates given. It might be coincidental, but these could not be described as offensive weapons: he still seems to sit on the fence.

etudiant 23rd Aug 2022 19:44


Originally Posted by dead_pan (Post 11283766)
Yawn. Another day, another empty threat.

For those who have access to 'Foreign Affairs', John Mearsheimer's latest piece on this conflict is well worth reading. https://www.foreignaffairs.com/ukrai...g-fire-ukraine
His take is that there is no settlement in sight or under discussion and that both sides have upped their aims, so the prospect is for further escalation, with no obvious stopping point.
He sees the destruction of the Ukraine power grid as a likely first step..

rattman 23rd Aug 2022 20:13


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 11283767)
Well, she was driving a Mini though we just provide the name these days.. It annoys me these muppets on state TV spouting their sh*te are not on the sanctions lists, one of them Vladimir Suckonyov owns a villa in one of the nasty nazified western countries.. Italy!

Daryu was driving a land cruiser Prado

NutLoose 23rd Aug 2022 20:15


Originally Posted by etudiant (Post 11283884)
For those who have access to 'Foreign Affairs', John Mearsheimer's latest piece on this conflict is well worth reading. https://www.foreignaffairs.com/ukrai...g-fire-ukraine
His take is that there is no settlement in sight or under discussion and that both sides have upped their aims, so the prospect is for further escalation, with no obvious stopping point.
He sees the destruction of the Ukraine power grid as a likely first step..

The thing with that is Ukraine may well have the weaponry on the way to retaliate and to hit Moscow.

I notice we haven't had any images of the Kherson bridge damage, it appears Russia has stopped sending out damage assessments for the west to assess.

WB627 23rd Aug 2022 20:21


Originally Posted by ORAC (Post 11283752)
Blaming the UK- makes me proud in a way that we’re still seen as such a Machiavellian threat, the same way Iran still sees us…

The Kremlin's mouthpieces blame Ukraine, Estonia and the UK for Daria Dugina's death, trying to use it to mobilize the population into what they call an existential battle with the West: "Prepare the bomb shelters... The time of peace has come to an end."

Moneypenny...... you did tell Bond to be discreet???

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....727713cb3d.jpg

WB627 23rd Aug 2022 20:36

The worm has turned......


President Erdogan says that Russia is required by international law to leave Crimea and give it back to Ukraine.

Talking of worms....

Here is another one that has seen which way the wind is blowing and wants to be on the right side when it ends....


Slovak Defense Minister has announced that Slovakia will send 30 BMP-1 infantry fighting vehicles to Ukraine exchange for 15 Leopard2A4 Main Battle Tanks from Germany.


Scholz had better pull his finger out quick, otherwise it will all be over before his tanks arrive.

No guts no glory



mickjoebill 23rd Aug 2022 21:49

Approximately 800 military aircraft airborne over USA in the last hour.
HIgh level of surveillance aircraft airborne around US and North of Venezuela

​​​​​​ State Dept ordered all US civilians and to leave Ukraine.
https://ua.usembassy.gov/security-alert-u-s-embassy-kyiv-ukraine-6/
Mjb


dead_pan 23rd Aug 2022 21:50


Originally Posted by etudiant (Post 11283884)
For those who have access to 'Foreign Affairs', John Mearsheimer's latest piece on this conflict is well worth reading. https://www.foreignaffairs.com/ukrai...g-fire-ukraine
His take is that there is no settlement in sight or under discussion and that both sides have upped their aims, so the prospect is for further escalation, with no obvious stopping point.
He sees the destruction of the Ukraine power grid as a likely first step..

His assessments have been wrong on many occasions. Most likely will be wrong on this too

dead_pan 23rd Aug 2022 21:52


Originally Posted by mickjoebill (Post 11283948)
Approximately 800 military aircraft airborne over USA in the last hour.
HIgh level of surveillance aircraft airborne around US and North of Venezuela

​​​​​​Reports that State Dept ordered all US civilians and military to leave Ukraine.

Mjb

Source? Sounds like wibbling to me

mickjoebill 23rd Aug 2022 21:56


Originally Posted by dead_pan (Post 11283950)
Source? Sounds like wibbling to me

ADSB exchange for the flight info.
US state department for the alert.
https://ua.usembassy.gov/security-al...yiv-ukraine-6/


Fitter2 23rd Aug 2022 22:03


Originally Posted by etudiant View Post
For those who have access to 'Foreign Affairs', John Mearsheimer's latest piece on this conflict is well worth reading. https://www.foreignaffairs.com/ukrai...g-fire-ukraine
It could have been dictated by Moscow's troll factories. Give Putin this time what he will be content with to avoid nuclear war.

1. If Putin is insane, then nuclear war is inevitable anyway.

2. If He isn't insane, giving him anything now guarantees he will regroup and be back for more. Followed, at some point when it goes too far by WW3,

logically, therefore, only defeat for the rapists and other war criminals (preferably with a Nuremberg style trial and sentencing of the criminals, but I don't hold my breath on that one) is the only possibility to avoid WW3. QED.

rattman 23rd Aug 2022 22:06


Originally Posted by dead_pan (Post 11283950)
Source? Sounds like wibbling to me

There is more up than I would expect at this time of day, but its trainers like Texan2, T-38. Also the 20+ blackhawks in on exercise also adds some extra's

mickjoebill 23rd Aug 2022 22:10


Originally Posted by rattman (Post 11283956)
There is more up than I would expect at this time of day, but its trainers like Texan2, T-38. Also the 20+ blackhawks in on exercise also adds some extra's

Number for normal day is ..?

Mjb


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