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Is Ukraine about to have a war?

Old 11th Sep 2022, 14:52
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Originally Posted by uxb99
Worrying my ass. Putin has failed and the Wolves will be closing in. I suspect already the Russian political system is working on how to eliminate Putin and extract themselves out of this mess.
So what do we get in place of Putin? It could be better or worse, and none of us knows which yet. My point was not about worrying about Putin, it is that we ought to worry about the uncertainty that comes with a new regime.
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Old 11th Sep 2022, 15:13
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Originally Posted by NutLoose
Wow, mass exodus,why not hit the temp bridge so they would have to abandoned the transport.



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Is it maybe in Russia ?
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Old 11th Sep 2022, 15:16
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Originally Posted by NWSRG
So what do we get in place of Putin? It could be better or worse, and none of us knows which yet. My point was not about worrying about Putin, it is that we ought to worry about the uncertainty that comes with a new regime.
What is the point in worrying about uncertainty when you have no way of settling it ?
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I wonder if this is true?

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Old 11th Sep 2022, 15:30
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Originally Posted by Tartiflette Fan
What is the point in worrying about uncertainty when you have no way of settling it ?
I think it's called Scenario Planning. Probably better to assess the risks (and your possible responses) to a range of potential outcomes.
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Old 11th Sep 2022, 15:36
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Usual caveats etc:


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Old 11th Sep 2022, 15:36
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Originally Posted by NWSRG
I think it's called Scenario Planning. Probably better to assess the risks (and your possible responses) to a range of potential outcomes.
That is not worrying, it is planning ( as you tangentially mention )
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Old 11th Sep 2022, 15:48
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Ukrainian combined arms assault on Peski near Donetsk against DPR Somalia battalion ( 2022 ). Intense stuff - it looks like this particular attack was rebuffed.

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Old 11th Sep 2022, 16:02
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One option for Putin is to withdraw all his forces to the Donbas, saying that all other offensives were merely feints or designed to attrit the Ukrainian army. He can sell this to a disinterested/ ill-informed domestic audience as job done. We have two new provinces and Ukraine is no longer a threat. He will then hope that by going on the defensive he can - a. Preserve his forces, b. Hope that the strength of support for Ukraine from the West wanes and c. Portray Russia as the innocent party trying to defend itself against foreign aggression. He probably already knows that if he continues with his present strategy he’s likely to lose everything
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Old 11th Sep 2022, 16:29
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Originally Posted by kintyred
One option for Putin is to withdraw all his forces to the Donbas, saying that all other offensives were merely feints or designed to attrit the Ukrainian army. He can sell this to a disinterested/ ill-informed domestic audience as job done. We have two new provinces and Ukraine is no longer a threat. He will then hope that by going on the defensive he can - a. Preserve his forces, b. Hope that the strength of support for Ukraine from the West wanes and c. Portray Russia as the innocent party trying to defend itself against foreign aggression. He probably already knows that if he continues with his present strategy he’s likely to lose everything

That would require a rational assessment of the Russian Army capabilities and the facts on the ground. I have seen no evidence of that to date. This is the inevitable result of dictators surrounding themselves with yes men. Putin is getting the briefings he wants not the ones he needs……
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Old 11th Sep 2022, 16:41
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Originally Posted by Tartiflette Fan
That is not worrying, it is planning ( as you tangentially mention )
Good, you get the point.
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We had numerous posts on OpSec a few weeks ago regarding careless Russian mobiles bringing disaster upon themselves. The current Ukrainian offensive has been quite a surprise to many in the West as well as the Russians, one reason for this being the restrictions on journalists and warnings to the populace of the dangers to liberation posed by loose talk -- or these days social media and similar speculation.

It's all too easy to spout about free speech and the public's need to know when other people's lives are at risk. Just as the card indexes with every scrap of trivial German information were built in Bletchley Park, the Ukrainians put together every item of info to smite the enemy -- and take steps to ensure the Russians can't do the same. One can only repeat: Slava Ukraine!
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Old 11th Sep 2022, 17:01
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One option for Putin is to withdraw all his forces to the Donbas
Withdraw what?

The BTGs in Kharkiv have abandoned their equipment to escape being overrun, the 25 BTGs in Kherson are trapped and would have to do the same.

They’ve lost 50K KIA which means around another 10-150K WIA/MIA and the Russian land forces started out with about 350K including reservists to defend the entire country.

In summary even in the concentrate their forces they are short of men, and they now don’t have the equipment to supply them.

so, if they do pull back - what to they do as the Ukrainians keep coming?

Stopping a retreat and equipping, reorganising, get your logistics sorted out and supplies reestablished takes time - and father winter is coming with the snows in 8 weeks or so.
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Old 11th Sep 2022, 18:06
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In preparation to pull back over the Dnipro river?



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Old 11th Sep 2022, 18:11
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Worth noting that there is no military utility in such attacks; it's purely for terror and retaliation against civilians. (Which, apart from being a war crime, is a moronic waste of scarce resources.)…..

“Being defeated on the eastern front in recent days russia commits another act of terrorism and hits critical infrastructure of Ukraine, damaging one of the biggest thermal power stations in Kharkiv– TEC-5. As a result multiple big cities are cut from power”
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Old 11th Sep 2022, 18:14
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They seem to be desperate.
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Old 11th Sep 2022, 18:18
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Originally Posted by ORAC
Stopping a retreat and equipping, reorganising, get your logistics sorted out and supplies reestablished takes time - and father winter is coming with the snows in 8 weeks or so.
And they would still be facing an enemy better equipped, better trained, better supported and far more motivated.
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Old 11th Sep 2022, 18:28
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Originally Posted by Wokkafans
In preparation to pull back over the Dnipro river?

https://twitter.com/WarMonitor3/stat...Cn9GO5PuQb221w
If true it would be interesting to see which direction they are pulling out.....east towards the Donbas, or south-west towards Crimea?
If they are heading towards Crimea, it could open up a split of the RU forces along the north coast of the Sea of Azov and split the RUF. Kerch crossing could then be in range from the coastal area to the west of Berdyansk.
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Old 11th Sep 2022, 18:34
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“This is how it starts, they are now low on supplies and unable to defend their positions. Without fuel and ammo the Russian defenses might also be close to collapsing west of Dnipro.”….
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Excellent assessment…

A little map of the situation in Northern Luhansk after the rout of the russian invaders from Kharkiv Oblast.….
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