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Originally Posted by Beamr
(Post 11273317)
Drones are really changing the way war is fought. How to protect troops from drones will be in the "very urgent acquisition list" of probably every army on earth. All one needs is a drone with some payload capability and a release servo, pick a grenade of your choice and off you go.
https://twitter.com/Militarylandnet/...74737547149313 and this https://twitter.com/LXSummer1/status...26674928779265 |
Perhaps wrap these around the grenades they drop from drones or simply drop them by the boxload over troops or trenches as per WW1.
https://www.sarcoinc.com/flechettes-...military-1-lb/ |
Originally Posted by NutLoose
(Post 11273297)
The Canadian's are coming, Canada sending 225 personnel to the UK to help train the Ukrainians.
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It's probably easier to bring the troops to the set up training infrastructure than to take the infrastructure to the troops, remember some of the things involved are the likes of the urban / combat village set up that the UK has for training troops in house to house combat and the military driving ranges to teach them on the vehicles provided.. you can possibly deliver them to the UK on the probably empty return aid and munitions delivery flights.
It also brings them together out of area and lets them knit as a team as well as being a huge moral boost for some of them that will never have been abroad as such? North Macedonia is providing 4 SU25's they have in store, well done for such a small Country. https://www.kyivpost.com/ukraine-pol...u-25-jets.html |
Originally Posted by dead_pan
(Post 11273398)
Still can't understand why we/they don't set up training camps in the likes of Poland and Romania, rather than shipping these troops across the breadth of Europe. They could also double up for R+R.
Possible answers - the 'western' English speaking media don't inform us about the activities in Poland, Romania, Czechoslovakia et. al. - given its economical power and size of the millitary, the UK might be the best choice on the continent (ehm) for purely technical reasons. (again, not to mention we don't know what support the French and others provide) |
Also the UK offered to utilise one should imagine their spare capacity, the Netherlands and Canada have offered and are joining in too provide UK based training..
And let's face it, after Ti****th, anywhere would be better, even the frontline. |
Originally Posted by FlightDetent
(Post 11273494)
Had been asking myself the same. There is a lot of commitment for the UKR cause in the ex-soviet pact countries.
Possible answers - the 'western' English speaking media don't inform us about the activities in Poland, Romania, Czechoslovakia et. al. |
Originally Posted by NutLoose
(Post 11273517)
And let's face it, after Ti****th, anywhere would be better, even the frontline.
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Originally Posted by dead_pan
(Post 11273549)
A Friday night out in Aldershot would be an authentic training experience IMO, what with all those drunk squaddies
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Naive but honest question from a non mil person: With the accuracy of weapons now at the UA's disposal, can't RF artillery and/or missile launchers (using the nuclear plant as cover) be targeted without any significant danger to the plant?
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Originally Posted by FUMR
(Post 11273553)
Naive but honest question from a non mil person: With the accuracy of weapons now at the UA's disposal, can't RF artillery and/or missile launchers (using the nuclear plant as cover) be targeted without any significant danger to the plant?
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Originally Posted by FUMR
(Post 11273553)
Naive but honest question from a non mil person: With the accuracy of weapons now at the UA's disposal, can't RF artillery and/or missile launchers (using the nuclear plant as cover) be targeted without any significant danger to the plant?
yes, probably but the Ukrs have been at great pains to occupy the moral high ground [not difficult compared with the opposition]. Such a stance, as brave patriotic victim good guys, will be increasingly important as the West takes the strain of autumn and winter hardships. Very important that any radiation leaks/ spills/ accidents harming Russians should be seen as self-inflicted. |
Originally Posted by Lonewolf_50
(Post 11273557)
All it takes is one round to fall short and it ends in tears.
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This could be a worry if true.
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https://english.alarabiya.net/News/w...r-treason-TASS
Quote: “A leading Russian hypersonics expert has been arrested on suspicion of treason, the state-controlled TASS news agency reported on Friday.” |
he containment envelope ( of Western plants ) is supposed to withstand a very large passenger plane striking it, so even a 155 mm shell shouldn't be too much of qa challenge. An aircraft is designed for light weight to slice through the air, a shell is designed to penetrate concrete with explosive plasma jets to severe steel let alone a few inches of concrete. Bottom line - the containment vessel is easily penetrated - and the external cooling systems and ponds are obviou and unprotected. |
Didn’t the US take out the Iraqi none nuclear power plant by stuffing one missile into the wall to punch a hole into it, then sticking another one through the said hole to take out the generation plant
Containment requirements https://www-pub.iaea.org/MTCD/public...ub1189_web.pdf .. |
Originally Posted by ORAC
(Post 11273666)
I would suspect you have no idea what you are talking abou?
An aircraft is designed for light weight to slice 5b rough the air, a shell is designed to penetrate concrete with explosive plasma jets to severe steel let alone a few inches of concrete. Bottom line - the compntainment vessel is easily penetrated - and the external cooling systems and ponds are obviou and unprotected. |
Originally Posted by ORAC
(Post 11273666)
I would suspect you have no idea what you are talking abou?
An aircraft is designed for light weight to slice 5b rough the air, a shell is designed to penetrate concrete with explosive plasma jets to severe steel let alone a few inches of concrete. Bottom line - the compntainment vessel is easily penetrated - and the external cooling systems and ponds are obviou and unprotected. Nuclear plants are pretty big, they don't explode if one punches a hole into the concrete containment shell. To do serious damage, one would ideally hit the reactor, a pressure vessel entombed at the base of the containment. Seen that the resultant mess would be yours to clean up, if you win, neither combatant has any interest in doing so. |
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