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HARM Armed Mig 29's and firing them, film in link.

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....d575c73f8.jpeg

Meanwhile in Russia the media is reporting the events in it's own way ie. "theres nothing to see here, move along". As the media in the west has its finger on the pulse, it is hard to find any news in Russian media. Just a few short mentions of "shelling of kherson" or "missile strikes in kherson" or "outstanding victory, billions of Ukrainian tanks destroyed".

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Originally Posted by Rossiskaja Gazeta

Attempted Ukrainian offensive in the south failed miserably. The numbers of these same losses were announced there. They are impressive to say the least. During the fighting, 26 Ukrainian tanks, 23 infantry fighting vehicles, nine other armored fighting vehicles were destroyed, two enemy Su-25 attack aircraft were shot down. Enemy losses in manpower amounted to more than 560 servicemen. Consider a full-fledged battalion. "Another attempt at offensive actions by the enemy failed miserably," our defense department concluded.
https://rg.ru/2022/08/30/popytka-ukr...rovalilas.html

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Originally Posted by TASS

The authorities of the Kherson region consider the attempts of the offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (APU) on the city to be useless, while expressing regret over the senseless death of Ukrainians in this battle. "Kherson was, is and will remain a Russian city. All offensives are useless," said Stremousov. He also noted that in Kherson they mourn for the Ukrainians who died as a result of offensive attempts.
https://tass.ru/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/15595451

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Originally Posted by Izvestija

The air defense system repelled a new attempt at a missile attack by the Armed Forces of Ukraine on Kherson. The air defense system repelled a new attempt at a missile attack by Ukrainian troops on Kherson. This was announced on Tuesday, August 30, by the deputy head of the military-civilian administration of the region, Kirill Stremousov. “There was an attempted missile attack. Air defense worked well, ”he told RIA Novosti .

But this article is the most telling of them all: since this has been written this morning and the emphasis is so strong that nothing is happening there, the Russians on Kherson are are probably about to collapse. And who's the one saying so? the same a**hole who has fled the area (see ORAC's post #8649 ) :D

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Originally Posted by RIA Novosti

Kherson will never return to Ukrainian control, regional authorities say. Deputy head of the Kherson VGA Stremousov: the region will never return under the control of Ukraine.... "The Kherson region will never return under the control of the Nazis, no matter what they promise, no matter what they do, no matter how hard they try to fight the justice that we have and receive today," Stremousov told reporters. According to him, Kherson was, is and remains a Russian city, all offensives are useless. "All those who go into battle today, trying somehow to live with the incomprehensible idea of Nazism, are doomed, their attacks are useless. Russia does not start a war, Russia ends the war," Stremousov said.
https://ria.ru/20220830/kherson-1813095118.html

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Originally Posted by ORAC (Post 11287555)

“When the UAVs see the battery, it’s like a VIP target”

Ukraine made a fleet of wooden HIMARS decoys & Russian forces wasted valuable cruise missiles from their dwindling stocks to blow them up.

Great insight into Ukrainian tactics from @John_Hudson

https://t.co/LICMvVCvuB

First thing I would have done for this or any other major NATO weapon system that I was going to get limited numbers of.

Russian paranoia reaching new heights - and starting to turn on the oligarchs….

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https://twitter.com/juliadavisnews/s...8m1B3-R-tKXtOg

Anyone know the way?

FSB HQ in Melitopol reported as having been bombed/blown up last night…

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https://twitter.com/warmonitor3/stat...uG8c_zISLrv9Ng

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Reservists of the 'glorious' army #Russland 's at morning roll call near the front. The #Vodka supplies you brought with you are exhausted, now it's time to get new ones.

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n Odesa, 2 Biskvitny lane and Mykolaiv, 2 Radio lane - donors of ALL blood groups are needed. You can come tomorrow from 8 a.m. to 3 p.m. On Friday, they work until 2:00 p.m. Before donating blood, be sure to eat porridge or puree, and a lot of tea + water. #Odesa #Odessa
12:25 pm · 30 Aug 2022·Twitter for iPhone

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You can take something sweet with you. You must also have your passport and identification code with you. Please don't be lazy and go, especially if you live nearby. This can save the lives of our guys from the ZSU

??? Looks more like the ferry going bye bye.

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Originally Posted by uxb99 (Post 11287049)

Would a dog suffer ptsd though? Maybe needs something more physical like arty? Don't know. Just using the dog as a talking point?

Dogs are sensitive to their surroundings physically and the emotional state of the people around the dog. If the carer of the dog had been a casualty, the dog will be traumatised if they were bonded to that person. Constant noise and concussion is going to harm any dog, even a cat is going to be annoyed.

That dog was in shock without apparent injury, in need of a caring person.

Putin doesn't need to apply for that job. No self respecting dog would lie done near Putin.

I wonder if there is any truth in it? trouble is that still does not get rid of the combat effectiveness of them, they simply become an obstacle to overcome further down the line. The fact they are allegedly negotiating means they know they are stuffed, it will also allow those wanted for warcrimes to escape.

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The remaining Russian command in Kherson is secretly negotiating with the Ukrainian military to declare Kherson an open city. In exchange for allowing an evacuation with light weapons for the Russian occupiers in Kherson. The agreement does not apply to collaborators!

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In Feodosia, two cars burned overnight Near the house № 35 along the Simferopol highway and along Chkalova, 96a. As it turned out, both cars belong to the Russians who came to rest. welcome from here

Time to leave?

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https://twitter.com/maxfras/status/1...uG8c_zISLrv9Ng

Russian Defence Ministry reach peak efficiency by releasing Ukrainian losses in Kherson for August 30 a day earlier…..

Nutty,
Polite request, would you frame your twitter links in the way that ORAC does, I can see his but not yours.

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Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 11287836)

I recall seeing a report that this had been requested by the Russians before, but was refused by the Ukrainians. Tricky one to know how to play - personally I too would want to see them out of the fight for good, but then I see the merit in allowing them to leave without expending too much of your combat power and allowing them venting their frustrations on the local populace as they did elsewhere in Ukraine.

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Originally Posted by uxb99 (Post 11287346)

A very humane suggestion. Mine would be to hit them hard with the aim of destroying them. No sense being squeamish, I doubt the Russians would if situation were reversed.

If UKR captures many Russians, that gives them lots of leverage for trading for their own prisoners, and in other aspects should there be a negotiation. (See also the decision to encircle but not destroy the Egyptian 3rd Army in the Sinai in 1973).

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Originally Posted by ORAC (Post 11287389)

UKR asking Kherson primary sources (locals in villages etc) not to report the advance/arrival of UKR troops for Opsec reasons….

Good idea, good luck with implementation

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Originally Posted by MikeSnow (Post 11287441)

For those who don't speak Ukrainian:

Interesting.

For langlybaston: I believe you. I just felt that in your application of brevity (the soul of wit!) a bit too much was omitted on what IPB is. In support of your point: when I worked at a CAOC we had a full time Met Team on task 24/7. Very valuable, per your own experiences, and all were top notch. :ok:

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Originally Posted by beardy (Post 11287850)

Nutty,
Polite request, would you frame your twitter links in the way that ORAC does, I can see his but not yours.

I used too, but the MODS asked me not too ages ago, if you quote the link will show then copy and paste, I will try to quote a few and hope the mods are lenient, others have this problem as do I on some of the PC's I use.

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Originally Posted by ORAC (Post 11287357)

Russian sources today: "There is no Ukrainian offensive... VDV armed with BFGs are defending against hordes of Ukrainians... Ukrainians have lost 549 tanks and 40,000 hohols in one village... We are Russians, we will definitely win!"

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....14c665569f.gif

Hmmm, If he is so sure, he wouldn't have any issue about giving his L/L.... after all, according to him, Russia is what, about to enter Paris?

His mother would not be happy with his texting his L/L....