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MightyGem 12th Apr 2022 21:37


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 11214197)
BTW It appears the UK also sent Martlet missiles to Ukraine ( in secret ) and it has been filmed taking out a Russian UAV

https://twitter.com/VudiXhym****i/st...12168973635585

That was listed as a Starstreak in another post, which I thought was a bit over the top for a drone.

etudiant 13th Apr 2022 00:15


Originally Posted by Wokkafans (Post 11214467)

Seen that the guy was repeatedly elected, he clearly has a Ukrainian constituency. In war however, that no longer counts.
Ukraine is being purged of its Russian component, exactly what caused Putin to intervene directly. Only his actions ensure that the purge will be much more comprehensive.

Pali 13th Apr 2022 07:06

Yet another Martti J. Kari interview (with subtitles). This guy knows a thing or two about the issue.


Timmy Tomkins 13th Apr 2022 08:45

An interesting analysis https://geopoliticalfutures.com/how-...l-likely-end/?

NutLoose 13th Apr 2022 10:54

Interesting read that Timmy T, thanks

NutLoose 13th Apr 2022 11:00

No hiding the losses from the Russian public now, they are having to ship wounded to as far afield as St Petersburg.


Interesting article. It seems a heck of a way to instruct anyone, fly them across the world and back

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...uences/629541/


If the Soviet Union could deploy thousands of advisers to North Vietnam in the middle of the Vietnam War without triggering a nuclear conflict, the U.S. can deploy advisers to western Ukraine, or at least to Poland, to train Ukrainian soldiers. Instead, we ship Ukrainian troops to Biloxi, Mississippi, to learn how to operate the Switchblade drone, where their congratulations come from the secretary of defense on a Zoom call from his Pentagon desk. It would be better if he were draping his arm about their shoulders in some muddy field a lot closer to their homeland.

t43562 13th Apr 2022 11:21


Originally Posted by etudiant (Post 11214547)
Seen that the guy was repeatedly elected, he clearly has a Ukrainian constituency. In war however, that no longer counts.
Ukraine is being purged of its Russian component, exactly what caused Putin to intervene directly. Only his actions ensure that the purge will be much more comprehensive.

I don't think it's at all evident from the facts that Ukraine is being purged of any Russian component - Odesa is almost completely Russian speaking for example I believe. My ex-colleagues in Ukraine are all Russian speakers and very nationalistic and pro-Ukraine. The situation is complicated but getting simpler, IMO.

Tartiflette Fan 13th Apr 2022 11:38


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 11214765)
No hiding the losses from the Russian public now, they are having to ship wounded to as far afield as St Petersburg.

Interesting article. It seems a heck of a way to instruct anyone, fly them across the world and back

Has Peskov made another, more revelatory , statement, or does this tweet refer back to the one where he spoke of 1 000 or 1 500 casualties ?

Perhaps there are simulators at Biloxi that they don't want to move.

Geriaviator 13th Apr 2022 11:55

Brilliant and incisive article from TheAtlantic, Nutty, thank you for this and for your steady flow of info.

Tartiflette Fan 13th Apr 2022 15:18

Selensky refuses visit by the German President* - Frank-Walter Steinmeier - following on from his visit to Poland.

Selensky refused to receive FWS because he said that he had been too close to the Russians in his official positions ( he was German Foreign Minister 2005 to 2009 and again from 2013 to 2017 ). I'm unsure how to view that: it was his job to have good relations with them, it's not as if he went on holiday with Lavrov;

Possibly political manoeuvring by Selensky to get a visit by Bundeskanzler Scholz who has been reticent about arms-deliveries, preferring to leave it up to Brussels to co-ordinate matters. Selensky obviously believing that once he got him on the spot he would be able to manage the scenario and put Scholz under pressure to do a lot more.

* This is a purely representational role for a "retired" high-level politician ( "well-loved " is always better)

Fitter2 13th Apr 2022 15:44

Regarding Medvedchuk arrest


Seen that the guy was repeatedly elected, he clearly has a Ukrainian constituency. In war however, that no longer counts.
Ukraine is being purged of its Russian component, exactly what caused Putin to intervene directly. Only his actions ensure that the purge will be much more comprehensive.
In a healthy democracy, anyone is entitled to stand, and even the most extreme views in any direction can attract support. However, when your country is invaded by your neighbour who razes towns to the ground, and rapes youg girls and murders your citizens in cold blood, then merely arresting one of your own countrymenn who supports the invasion and is the designated head of a puppet government once all the legitimate governamr are put before a firing squad, then arrest is a fairly mild action.

PPRuNe Towers 13th Apr 2022 17:03

Post 4285 further up this page provided by Timmy gives a particularly effective analysis - especially of the reality the Ukranian military are having to face and succeed in versus Putin's problems.

Rob

Lonewolf_50 13th Apr 2022 17:24

And as they leave or withdraw,
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beardy 13th Apr 2022 17:29


Originally Posted by PPRuNe Towers (Post 11214938)
Post 4285 further up this page provided by Timmy gives a particularly effective analysis - especially of the reality the Ukranian military are having to face and succeed in versus Putin's problems.

Rob

I concur. Most importantly whoever succeeds Putin must be capable of generating sufficient confidence in their constituency to be able to persuade them that this was 'Putin's' war and a mistake otherwise the resentment, tension and latent hostility toward Ukraine will continue to fester leading to a delayed and maybe better prepared round two.

RatherBeFlying 13th Apr 2022 17:54

Will the United States Run Out of Javelins Before Russia Runs Out of Tanks?

Somewhat US centric, but does include contributions from other countries.

Stocks are running down and production may take several months to ramp up.

Interestingly the article links to an estimate of RF combat losses at 40,000 ≈ 25% of invasion force @ March 31 when estimated WIA unable to return to combat are added to KIA.

The elite units are largely depleted. The replacements will likely be much less effective.

Tartiflette Fan 13th Apr 2022 18:52


Originally Posted by RatherBeFlying (Post 11214966)
Will the United States Run Out of Javelins Before Russia Runs Out of Tanks?

Somewhat US centric, but does include contributions from other countries.

Stocks are running down and production may take several months to ramp up..

Supply numbers have focussed heavily on US and UK, but Scandinavian countries have supplied several thousand anti-tank missiles. So far Germany has supplied very few, as an initial planned delivery of old DDR Strela missiles was 70% scrap and there have been no numbers for the Panzerfaust3. France has supplied no war equipment at all: whether it could be pressured to do so if supplies really ran low is up for debate.

In such a situation, would it be military doctrine to move supplies of something like anti-tank missiles from front to front as the enemy redeployed, or once delivered to Kiev, would they stay there ? The great unknown , of course, is how many missiles are being used per kill. What we see is, naturally, the " he shoots...and he kills !!!" variant, but are there 10 misses we never see ? On the figures quoted in this article, and others, it seems that Ukraine has probably received close to 25 000 missiles, so one would hope that they still have plenty left.

dead_pan 13th Apr 2022 19:24


Originally Posted by Tartiflette Fan (Post 11214981)
The great unknown , of course, is how many missiles are being used per kill. What we see is, naturally, the " he shoots...and he kills !!!" variant, but are there 10 misses we never see ? On the figures quoted in this article, and others, it seems that Ukraine has probably received close to 25 000 missiles, so one would hope that they still have plenty left.

Not only that, there's a fair amount of evidence that some of these weapons being used against soft-skinned vehicles. Bit of overkill TBH, unless of course that's the only appropriate weapon they have to hand

Tartiflette Fan 13th Apr 2022 19:37


Originally Posted by dead_pan (Post 11214987)
Not only that, there's a fair amount of evidence that some of these weapons being used against soft-skinned vehicles. Bit of overkill TBH, unless of course that's the only appropriate weapon they have to hand

Well since many of these will be fired from ambush, the soldiers will be carrying what they think they need and, presumably, will always take ATGM in the hope that a T 72 crosses their path: if it then turns out to be a truck with a squad inside, they might well use the ATGM if there aren't enough of them with automatic weapons;

Tartiflette Fan 13th Apr 2022 19:45

1 500 Russian dead in Dnipro
 
"Ukrainische Behörden: Leichen von 1500 russischen Soldaten in Dnipro bis heute nicht abgeholt"

From the German magzine focus, a report of 1 500 Russian corpses awaiting collection in mortuaries in Dnipro. From memory these bodies have been there some time and there are other towns holding corpses in refrigerated trucks. I can't see the Russian army being very keen to do anything about this, but if it becomes public knowledge back home, then could cause a huge outcry.

Wokkafans 13th Apr 2022 19:48

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....6a4546b88e.jpg

Biden Administration to Provide Ukraine More Intelligence, Heavier Weapons to Fight Russia -The moves will enable Ukraine to target Moscow’s forces in Donbas and Crimea and counter an anticipated Russian offensive (subscription required):

https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-exp...d=hp_lead_pos7


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