Ukraine War Thread Part 2
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Further to the Caspian fleet attack….
According to sources from UP, Ukrainian HUR kamikaze drones have struck Russian ships in the Caspian Sea for the first time, targeting the Caspian Flotilla naval base.
Drones reportedly hit at least two targets in Kaspiysk, Dagestan: the Project 11661 Tatarstan and Project 11661K Dagestan Gepard-class frigates.
According to sources from UP, Ukrainian HUR kamikaze drones have struck Russian ships in the Caspian Sea for the first time, targeting the Caspian Flotilla naval base.
Drones reportedly hit at least two targets in Kaspiysk, Dagestan: the Project 11661 Tatarstan and Project 11661K Dagestan Gepard-class frigates.
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Scholz in Germany announced that they will go for new elections end March 2025. Government is a lame duck now with only a minority of two parties. He fired the third.
Sorry for the political content but it is currently more defining for the future outcome of the war than any battlefield details.
Sorry for the political content but it is currently more defining for the future outcome of the war than any battlefield details.
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Can you say whether Trump will be in a position to cancel any Ukraine aid that has been voted - i.e. last May's $ 60 Bn package - but not yet delivered ?
Yes. Looks like others will have to jump in now. The 2025 Budget should have been decided in the next weeks and was the breaking point. Now there is no sanctioned budget for 2025. This will freeze public spending similar to what happened in the US when House refused to approve subsequent Year's budget. New Government to be expected in March 2025, new Budget maybe in April/May. Hope other Countries will jump in.
https://www.focus.de/politik/deutsch...260459176.html
Ohne die zusätzlichen Mittel könnte für manches Anliegen schlicht kein Geld mehr sein. Bei einer Haushaltssperre müssen alle Ausgaben vom Finanzministerium genehmigt werden. Das bedeutet große Unsicherheit zum Beispiel für viele Angestellte auf Projektbasis oder mit befristeten Arbeitsverträgen.
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And they’re not going to build a 1600Km wall….
Even if Zelensky would be forced by Trump to accept defeat, the AFU will continue fighting. Ukraine's fate is in the hands of the Ukrainian people, not in Trump's or Zelensky's.
Like a 🇺🇦 commander said "If the West stops military aid, we will turn into an insurgent army"
Like a 🇺🇦 commander said "If the West stops military aid, we will turn into an insurgent army"
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Why is this not a clear answer?
First off, a bunch of American defense contractors were allocated funds - in billions of dollars - to produce X, Y, and Z, and I don't think he'll cancel those orders due to optics. Of course, what he might do is divert some of that hardware to Taiwan ... my magic eight ball is fuzzy.
Impact on Ukraine's War Effort?
Uncertainty. They can't plan next spring's campaigns if the logistic support needed for it is hanging by a thread. Operational Art, at the Theater level (which is the level Ukraine operates at) includes shaping the area of conflict logistically and with assets/units 90-150 days out.
In other words, Zelynsky's operational planners are already trying to figure out and position assets for operations in March ... if the war is still on then.
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biscuit74: too bloody right.
As an American, that penchant of his was frustrating as hell the first time around. I don't see it being any less so this time around. I wonder if anyone in his inner circle will convince him to lay off of the Twitter rants at random. That would be nice, but it is unlikely.
As an American, that penchant of his was frustrating as hell the first time around. I don't see it being any less so this time around. I wonder if anyone in his inner circle will convince him to lay off of the Twitter rants at random. That would be nice, but it is unlikely.
Watch the people walking past Trump, when Trump is preparing for his victory speech. These people don't look happy, having won the biggest victory in times:
CNN report, 'It seems like it might be blackmail': Bob Woodward shares what insiders speculate about Trump and Putin's relationship
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What would be difficult is retracting fighting boots on the ground, though for that, I expect, it's to late. Even sending some nukes (via ballistic route) will quite likely stall somewhere in the command chain.
That said, I'd not be surprised when even more military organization hurdles will popup, while "shipping" already promised military aid to Ukraine.
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Not to speak about ITAR probably blocking (nearly) all European funded/provided support for Ukraine from the end of Jan 2025 .....
I'd not be surprised, when that turns out to be the secret 24h key .......
Though for this, I'd say, Biden would be able to handle this in the upcoming 60+ days, by simply granting a non-revocable "permanent" ITAR license to all and everybody having ITAR subject stuff (there are reasons Trump is silent about the way he wants to accomplish the 24h, since this can be easily prevented). That would be a nice poison pill for "the peace guy" ......
I'd not be surprised, when that turns out to be the secret 24h key .......
Though for this, I'd say, Biden would be able to handle this in the upcoming 60+ days, by simply granting a non-revocable "permanent" ITAR license to all and everybody having ITAR subject stuff (there are reasons Trump is silent about the way he wants to accomplish the 24h, since this can be easily prevented). That would be a nice poison pill for "the peace guy" ......
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Russian blogger Kashevarova on Russia's assault units: Less than three weeks pass between signing a contract and the death of the average Russian assault soldier.
In an attempt to maintain the pace of these meat offensives, 18-year-old boys are recruited at a high cost and immediately sent into the bloodbath in Ukraine.
In an attempt to maintain the pace of these meat offensives, 18-year-old boys are recruited at a high cost and immediately sent into the bloodbath in Ukraine.
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Not to speak about ITAR probably blocking (nearly) all European funded/provided support for Ukraine from the end of Jan 2025 .....
I'd not be surprised, when that turns out to be the secret 24h key .......
Though for this, I'd say, Biden would be able to handle this in the upcoming 60+ days, by simply granting a non-revocable "permanent" ITAR license to all and everybody having ITAR subject stuff (there are reasons Trump is silent about the way he wants to accomplish the 24h, since this can be easily prevented). That would be a nice poison pill for "the peace guy" ......
I'd not be surprised, when that turns out to be the secret 24h key .......
Though for this, I'd say, Biden would be able to handle this in the upcoming 60+ days, by simply granting a non-revocable "permanent" ITAR license to all and everybody having ITAR subject stuff (there are reasons Trump is silent about the way he wants to accomplish the 24h, since this can be easily prevented). That would be a nice poison pill for "the peace guy" ......
edit/ As a lay person, I would suspect (and hope) that such a blanket ban would seriously dampen any foreign Government's enthusiasm for buying anything that might attract such a response in future. I realise, however, that Govt. spending is subject to all manners of persuasion.
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Russian blogger Kashevarova on Russia's assault units: Less than three weeks pass between signing a contract and the death of the average Russian assault soldier.
In an attempt to maintain the pace of these meat offensives, 18-year-old boys are recruited at a high cost and immediately sent into the bloodbath in Ukraine.
In an attempt to maintain the pace of these meat offensives, 18-year-old boys are recruited at a high cost and immediately sent into the bloodbath in Ukraine.
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You couldn’t make this up.
Google has removed images of Ukrainian military infrastructure that had been displayed on its maps after a recent update.
Source: Andrii Kovalenko, Head of the Centre for Countering Disinformation (CDC) at Ukraine’s National Security and Defence Council
Quote from Kovalenko: "Google has fixed the issue with the maps. Military facilities and systems are no longer displayed. Everything will be fine going forward as well."
Background:
Source: Andrii Kovalenko, Head of the Centre for Countering Disinformation (CDC) at Ukraine’s National Security and Defence Council
Quote from Kovalenko: "Google has fixed the issue with the maps. Military facilities and systems are no longer displayed. Everything will be fine going forward as well."
Background:
- Earlier, numerous images of Ukrainian defence infrastructure appearedafter Google updated its maps, but it was only after a public outcry that the company agreed to resolve the issue.
- "We asked them to fix it fast, but they were out for the weekend. It didn’t concern them. All the while Russians were already actively spreading these images," Kovalenko said.
- After that, Kovalenko reported, Google representatives said they were working to remedy the situation.
- It was later reported that the satellite images of Ukraine's defence infrastructure displayed on the updated Google Maps had been taken more than a year ago and came from open sources.
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I don't see Trump using ITAR to prevent other nations from supplying arms to Ukraine - as others noted, doing that would make buying US arms less attractive, and Trump is all about 'Buy American' - even people in other countries.
At least that's what my crystal ball is telling me.
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Information has emerged that AFU killed the commander of the Russian 5th separate motorized rifle brigade, Major General Klimenko.
Russian Major General Klimenko was killed as a result of FPV drone strike while he was riding a motorcycle along with his subordinates:
“06.11.2024, at 22:00, the commander of the 5th separate motorized rifle brigade (military unit 41698, Makeyevka) Major General Klimenko Pavel Yuryevich died from mine and explosive injuries.
Earlier, General Klimenko and his subordinates, while riding motorcycles, were exposed to enemy FPV attack. Klimenko received multiple injuries, as a result of which he later died in the intensive care unit of the "Republican Traumatology Center" in Donetsk.
The incident occurred near the settlement of Krasnogorivka, Donetsk region.”
Russian Major General Klimenko was killed as a result of FPV drone strike while he was riding a motorcycle along with his subordinates:
“06.11.2024, at 22:00, the commander of the 5th separate motorized rifle brigade (military unit 41698, Makeyevka) Major General Klimenko Pavel Yuryevich died from mine and explosive injuries.
Earlier, General Klimenko and his subordinates, while riding motorcycles, were exposed to enemy FPV attack. Klimenko received multiple injuries, as a result of which he later died in the intensive care unit of the "Republican Traumatology Center" in Donetsk.
The incident occurred near the settlement of Krasnogorivka, Donetsk region.”
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Video…”Russian soldier laments that North Korean soldiers supposedly have far better living conditions.
Putin’s elite have somehow managed to become not just second-rate, but third-rate soldiers in their own army.”…..
Putin’s elite have somehow managed to become not just second-rate, but third-rate soldiers in their own army.”…..
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Oh dear, never mind…
Mobilized Russian troops have beaten to death the deputy commander of their regiment in the occupied peninsula of Crimea before fleeing the scene, according to Ukrainian intelligence.
The soldiers from the 20th Motorized Rifle Division, part of the eighth Army of Russia's southern military district, "inflicted severe bodily injuries on Colonel Musurbekov," on November 1, Ukraine's intelligence service said, according to a translation, without giving the commander's first name. That same day, the troops suspected of carrying out the attack changed out of their uniforms into civilian clothes and then left their base in the Simferopol district, fleeing to the neighboring Russian region of Krasnodar.
Ukraine's General Staff has said that there are increasing numbers of Russian troops deserting the war in Ukraine. There have been numerous reports since the start of Vladimir Putin's full-scale invasion of low morale, poor equipment and training, as well as problems with command.
In August this year, a group of Russian soldiers in Ukraine's occupied Kherson oblast released a video appeal to the Committee of Soldiers' Mothers of Russia, in which they describe their morale as being "below floor level."
In the latest case, Ukrainian intelligence said that, six days after the beating, Colonel Musurbekov died from his injuries in a hospital in Simferopol. Newsweek has contacted the Russian Defense Ministry for comment by email. We have not as yet been able to verify the claims of Ukrainian intelligence.
The soldiers from the 20th Motorized Rifle Division, part of the eighth Army of Russia's southern military district, "inflicted severe bodily injuries on Colonel Musurbekov," on November 1, Ukraine's intelligence service said, according to a translation, without giving the commander's first name. That same day, the troops suspected of carrying out the attack changed out of their uniforms into civilian clothes and then left their base in the Simferopol district, fleeing to the neighboring Russian region of Krasnodar.
Ukraine's General Staff has said that there are increasing numbers of Russian troops deserting the war in Ukraine. There have been numerous reports since the start of Vladimir Putin's full-scale invasion of low morale, poor equipment and training, as well as problems with command.
In August this year, a group of Russian soldiers in Ukraine's occupied Kherson oblast released a video appeal to the Committee of Soldiers' Mothers of Russia, in which they describe their morale as being "below floor level."
In the latest case, Ukrainian intelligence said that, six days after the beating, Colonel Musurbekov died from his injuries in a hospital in Simferopol. Newsweek has contacted the Russian Defense Ministry for comment by email. We have not as yet been able to verify the claims of Ukrainian intelligence.
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Ukrainians talking in Ukrainian about the Swedish PBV 302.
Nice to see in the film one of the crew a senior NCO is wearing the U.K./ Ukraine training badge on his cap around 13:00 mins onwards.
Some translation of their views here
https://en.defence-ua.com/weapon_and...get-12440.html
Nice to see in the film one of the crew a senior NCO is wearing the U.K./ Ukraine training badge on his cap around 13:00 mins onwards.
Some translation of their views here
https://en.defence-ua.com/weapon_and...get-12440.html