Ukraine War Thread Part 2


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From: Over the rainbow
Linked article contains video.
You may not like it, but this is what peak performance looks like.
Vaping FPV gamer bro destroying hundreds of Russian troops.

20 year old Ukrainian has eliminated hundreds of russian using his FPV VR skills
https://www.scrippsnews.com/world/eu...sive-evolution
Inside Ukrainian FPV Kamikaze drone unit with ace pilot 'Darwin'
You may not like it, but this is what peak performance looks like.
Vaping FPV gamer bro destroying hundreds of Russian troops.

20 year old Ukrainian has eliminated hundreds of russian using his FPV VR skills
https://www.scrippsnews.com/world/eu...sive-evolution
Inside Ukrainian FPV Kamikaze drone unit with ace pilot 'Darwin'
It's definitely the new age of warfare.

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The cease fire proposal = coming back for the rest in a year or two. Putin cannot wait for 10 years like he did after Crimea.
Now that troop buildups on the Russian side of the border are no longer off-limits I expect more rapid progress by Ukraine.
Now that troop buildups on the Russian side of the border are no longer off-limits I expect more rapid progress by Ukraine.

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Do they give you 3D vision?


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Ecce Homo! Loquitur...

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46h Brigade repels yesterdays Russian attack on the Mariinka front.
“On June 13, the paratroopers of the 46th brigade repelled the largest enemy assault during the entire period of their work on the Mariinka front! The enemy used in total of 28 units of AFVs in assault operations.
The results of the 13th turned out to be disappointing for the occupiers: our soldiers destroyed 13 units of armored vehicles, two dozens of Russians were killed, and 38 were injured”
“On June 13, the paratroopers of the 46th brigade repelled the largest enemy assault during the entire period of their work on the Mariinka front! The enemy used in total of 28 units of AFVs in assault operations.
The results of the 13th turned out to be disappointing for the occupiers: our soldiers destroyed 13 units of armored vehicles, two dozens of Russians were killed, and 38 were injured”


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From: 3rd Rock, #29B
More empty threats and red lines from Kremlin. "last chance or else". After more than 800 days of "the Else" already this sounds a bit lame.
https://twitter.com/NOELreports/stat...18830319386683
https://twitter.com/NOELreports/stat...18830319386683
At least the supply of irony is unlimited in Russia.
"This is the last peaceful proposal from our side".
...golly. Russian MIR at work.

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For VR they certainly can. For consumer drones, they are likely to have only a single camera so direct parallax 3D is unlikely. However, moving a bit side-to-side can give enough information to get relative distances, with overlap/occlusion being the final 3D vision clue.
From the reported videos of drone operations, they seem to simply use the "keep the target in the center" method of aiming as the weapons mainly have contact triggers and will detonate when it arrives.
From the reported videos of drone operations, they seem to simply use the "keep the target in the center" method of aiming as the weapons mainly have contact triggers and will detonate when it arrives.
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In A word, Yes, you want to try MSFS with them, it’s spooky, the only problem is if you use a keyboard because you cannot see it, but with HOTAS that problem goes away, you can put your head through the side windows and look outside, if you get a chance try one in a shop, heck walking along a plank at the top of a multi storey is scary to try.


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There's another way to read this.
That they intend to ratchet it up to WMD (first gas...)
I am not sure, but that is one way to see the signal they are sending.
It also might be bluster.
Putin made first public ceasefire proposal to Ukraine/NATO1. must withdraw from Donetsk, Lugansk, Zaporizhya and Kherson
2. Ukraine’s refusal to join NATO
3. Nuclear-free status of Ukraine
4. All sanctioned on Russia lifted
5. New territories and Crimea are forever with the Russian Federation
2. Ukraine’s refusal to join NATO
3. Nuclear-free status of Ukraine
4. All sanctioned on Russia lifted
5. New territories and Crimea are forever with the Russian Federation
Remember how many years the Paris Peace Talks went on (over Viet Nam) and how many positions were offered and taken down?
(FWIW, have you ever been involved in a labor/management dispute? Similar tactics are used ...)


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From: 3rd Rock, #29B
NK supplying Russia with ammunition and missiles.
Russian own production is currently 250k rounds monthly, so NK is providing almost two years worth of Russian production. Even if the NK shells would be 50% rubbish, that would still leave Russian forces with a years worth of production extra.
It is of outmost importance for the west to ramp up production AND provide long range weapons to halt the russian logistics.
https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/...47843057995971
Russian own production is currently 250k rounds monthly, so NK is providing almost two years worth of Russian production. Even if the NK shells would be 50% rubbish, that would still leave Russian forces with a years worth of production extra.
It is of outmost importance for the west to ramp up production AND provide long range weapons to halt the russian logistics.
https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/...47843057995971
It takes skill to convert a state oil company from a billion a day profit center to a loss making enterprise, and yet, that is what the dark lord has achieved. Perhaps Russia should have this guy as their king for then 4 terms to cement their future fully in the 7th Century, which seems to be where they are heading.
The overall impression of the achiements of Lord Lucas, (of darkness fame) is to add to NATO solidarity, to cause Armenia to withdraw from CSTO, to have the 'Stans declare the ruble non grata for any trade, and to remove around a trillion dollars directly in. Russian sovereign value, which setting up reparations of a larger amount from the wanton damage that has been bestowed as Russias gift of Mir on its neighbour. For Vlad, another day ending in the letter "Y".
Vlad's exit strategy is pretty simple, he has as much grass as he can eat in Pyongyang, and can always spend time in Teheran, its nice enough in Autumn and Spring, less so in Summer and Winter, but he can afford the aircon, after all, he singlehandedly took out Russia's future, that has to have let him squirrel away a bit for a rainy day.
The likelihood of Russia achieving foreign military sales on more than slightly used toilet paper is not enhanced by the showing of their S-300, S-400, T-90, SU-30, SU-34, SU-35... SU-57 nor their PDW capability of their naval products, which seem to have an affinity with ocean deeps. That a once feared nation has so effectively thrown away their commercial potential is quite remarkable, Vlad will certainly make the history books.
This conflict is reshaping the world in many ways, alliances that were on the precipice of being declared deceased have been replaced by the Moscow Stock exchange looking like a trajectory from the Tarpean rock, after a heavy feasting of borsch 'n swill. There are some sobering lessons to be learned from the sacrifice of a noble and courageous nation that have stood up to the bully that is the character of Russia, hopefully some adults are spending a lot of lamp oil doing the math and strategy reviews from the lessons to be learned from the actions of the dilettante would be tzar. Those lessons are hard earned, will we as a defence industry learn from them?



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fdr, thanks, I've missed these eloquent rants. It is amazing to see how far Russia has fallen with this attempt at an empire grab. One can only hope there is continued support for Ukraine and a rePutiation of the attempt by his self to recreate a Soviet State. His 'offer' to negotiate a total win is perhaps an indication that he knows he's lost. Now is the time to totally support Ukraine. Putin could obviously achieve an end to the war by stopping his attacks; just stop and there will be peace. No one wants to take parts of Russia, although they could use a good old de-Nazification.
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Linked article contains video.
You may not like it, but this is what peak performance looks like.
Vaping FPV gamer bro destroying hundreds of Russian troops.
20 year old Ukrainian has eliminated hundreds of russian using his FPV VR skills
Inside Ukrainian FPV Kamikaze drone unit with ace pilot 'Darwin'
You may not like it, but this is what peak performance looks like.
Vaping FPV gamer bro destroying hundreds of Russian troops.
20 year old Ukrainian has eliminated hundreds of russian using his FPV VR skills
Inside Ukrainian FPV Kamikaze drone unit with ace pilot 'Darwin'


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Cattle rustler and horse thief Putin steals those verdant lands, and rebrands the cattle pasturing there.
Now with his neck on the line, faced with angry ranchers and the law, plus the jockeying of his own outlaw gang members, he needs to try and make it all stick firm. But will it stick?
Now with his neck on the line, faced with angry ranchers and the law, plus the jockeying of his own outlaw gang members, he needs to try and make it all stick firm. But will it stick?
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It's starting, family groups are demanding that the children of Oligarchs and the rich and famous are sent to the front.
This will only grow from unrest as it spreads throughout Russia as the youth of today are wasted on the killing fields of Ukraine, especially as the poorer majority population now face rising costs and the falling value of the currency and cannot afford to feed themselves the basics. let alone eat cake!.
Russian Protesters Demand Kremlin Elite Be Sent to Frontlines (msn.com)
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This will only grow from unrest as it spreads throughout Russia as the youth of today are wasted on the killing fields of Ukraine, especially as the poorer majority population now face rising costs and the falling value of the currency and cannot afford to feed themselves the basics. let alone eat cake!.
As the war in Ukraine drags on, the Russian government continues to send thousands of young men to fight and die.
However, those from the highest echelons of power remain conspicuously absent from the battlefield.
This discrepancy has sparked outrage, leading to demands for the elite to face the same dangers as ordinary soldiers.
The campaign, spearheaded by the relatives of mobilized soldiers, has gained significant traction.
According to the Moscow Times, a group called "Put Domoi," meaning "Road Home," is at the forefront of this movement.
Comprised mainly of mothers and wives of soldiers sent to Ukraine, these women are demanding that the sons of high-ranking officials and media personalities replace their loved ones at the front.
In a statement on Telegram, the group declared,
"We demand that our men be replaced by other quite specific men: the children and husbands of those who tell our citizens from their screens that war is good."
Typically, those sent to the frontlines are young men from lower socioeconomic backgrounds, far removed from the centers of power in Moscow.
Put Domoi's goal is to achieve a "complete demobilization" of these men and instead send members of the Kremlin elite to fight.
The group's list of suggested replacements includes the sons of Kremlin spokesperson Dmitry Peskov, pro-Putin TV host Vladimir Solovyov, and former President Dmitry Medvedev.
"We can make a list long enough to replace every mobilized person," their statement claims.
Put Domoi argues that sending elite families to fight would quickly bring the war to an end.
"Something tells us that such a rotation would swiftly put an end to all hostilities," the group commented.
However, the Russian government has labeled the movement as "foreign agents," a common tactic used to discredit and suppress dissenting voices.
However, those from the highest echelons of power remain conspicuously absent from the battlefield.
This discrepancy has sparked outrage, leading to demands for the elite to face the same dangers as ordinary soldiers.
The campaign, spearheaded by the relatives of mobilized soldiers, has gained significant traction.
According to the Moscow Times, a group called "Put Domoi," meaning "Road Home," is at the forefront of this movement.
Comprised mainly of mothers and wives of soldiers sent to Ukraine, these women are demanding that the sons of high-ranking officials and media personalities replace their loved ones at the front.
In a statement on Telegram, the group declared,
"We demand that our men be replaced by other quite specific men: the children and husbands of those who tell our citizens from their screens that war is good."
Typically, those sent to the frontlines are young men from lower socioeconomic backgrounds, far removed from the centers of power in Moscow.
Put Domoi's goal is to achieve a "complete demobilization" of these men and instead send members of the Kremlin elite to fight.
The group's list of suggested replacements includes the sons of Kremlin spokesperson Dmitry Peskov, pro-Putin TV host Vladimir Solovyov, and former President Dmitry Medvedev.
"We can make a list long enough to replace every mobilized person," their statement claims.
A Quick End to Conflict?
Put Domoi argues that sending elite families to fight would quickly bring the war to an end."Something tells us that such a rotation would swiftly put an end to all hostilities," the group commented.
However, the Russian government has labeled the movement as "foreign agents," a common tactic used to discredit and suppress dissenting voices.
Russian Protesters Demand Kremlin Elite Be Sent to Frontlines (msn.com)
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The image quality with drones is actually quite bad. Analogue transmission having typically lower latency but also significantly worse image quality. Which is why many drone racers still use analogue. In any case it is not easy at all to estimate height above ground. If you ever tried it you will admire the abilities of these guys.
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There is nothing like a mothers Wrath, a Ukrainian mother who lost her son to this war has poured her compensation into purchasing suicide drones to kill Russians..
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I guess that they will, in an act of revenge, set fire to Boeing HQ and Airbus HQ. 
A billion here, a billion there, pretty soon you are talking some real money!
I am glad to see you back since I'd not "seen" you for a bit. As you are old I was afraid that maybe you had become dead; am most pleased that this is not the case.
There's another way to read this.
That they intend to ratchet it up to WMD (first gas...)
I am not sure, but that is one way to see the signal they are sending.
It also might be bluster.
I think that this is called "an opening position" in a negotiation.
Remember how many years the Paris Peace Talks went on (over Viet Nam) and how many positions were offered and taken down?
(FWIW, have you ever been involved in a labor/management dispute? Similar tactics are used ...)

A billion here, a billion there, pretty soon you are talking some real money!

I am glad to see you back since I'd not "seen" you for a bit. As you are old I was afraid that maybe you had become dead; am most pleased that this is not the case.
There's another way to read this.
That they intend to ratchet it up to WMD (first gas...)
I am not sure, but that is one way to see the signal they are sending.
It also might be bluster.
I think that this is called "an opening position" in a negotiation.
Remember how many years the Paris Peace Talks went on (over Viet Nam) and how many positions were offered and taken down?
(FWIW, have you ever been involved in a labor/management dispute? Similar tactics are used ...)
I do however find a splotch of an SU-57 Felon on the tarmac a matter of considerable satisfaction. As much as I like the papers that TsAgI have put out over the years, and having owned one or two soviet bloc aircraft, watching Sukhoi Design Bureau go up in smoke is quite gratifying. If Russia wants a friend, they should either stop invading sovereign neighbours and conducting genocide, or perhaps get a lap dog, Lavrov and Medvedev seem to be needing new homes soon, that may fill that gap.
ORAC has taken up a lot of the load that Nutty has shouldered for far too long to date. Maintaining the rage against the injustice that has befallen Ukraine is a fair use of our time when circumstances permit.
We appear to be at an inflection point at present, with G7, The WH the EU and NATO acting with some resolve to suggest V.V.Putin takes up knitting or some other pastime, (knitting needles can be as dangerous as 6th floor windows though). The Gazprom belly flop, and the Moscow stock exchange, and attendant banks doing the coda of Swan Lake seem to be moves in the right direction. Havana hosting the pride of the remnants of Grand Admiral Zinovy Rozhestvensky's summer cruise to the Straits of Tsushima probably doesn't mean the start of a greater conflict, it probably means there will be some drunk sailors conducting social discourse on the return to the good ol' days, as they always have done. Havana won't be a patch on 'Po city though, but their bread is better.
Not sure about the getting old bit, but it is tiresome watching the worm turn that is the response that has taken so long to get around to doing what was fairly clearly necessary in February 2022. The bodies have stacked up like cordwood in the meantime, but the vector towards implosion of the Russian empire at the hands of their would be emperor hasn't needed the last 2 1/4 years to be an obvious possible outcome. The balkanising of the nuclear stockpile of the soon to be forgotten Russian empire remains a prickly problem, but it was ever thus. The difference between having one rogue state that exists with weapons that can be turned to a parking lot by an irate response may well be more palatable than a country with 10K+ buckets o' sunshine and a leader that makes one wonder if there is an advertised open vacancy for a village idiot in some small part of the Rodina. I suspect that HAL9000 or Joshua would consider the odds better to take on a small acreage of a grumpy warlord than the collective loony bin that exists at this instant.



