Ukraine War Thread Part 2
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Interesting interview with Prof Justin Bronk of RUSI - F-16 covered 14:00 > 24:00
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72QpCqBgrPU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72QpCqBgrPU
Justin remarks on this early in the video and then goes on to discuss the 500,000 Russians in theater. (It appears that Ukraine has 200,000 under arms?)
EDIT TO ADD
Mooch is the goods.
A few more points to take away from Justin's very informative brief.
1. Crew survival a huge benefit in Western Armor
2. Russians are a learning military: have figured out EW answer to GPS guided munitions.
3. 152mm Russian laser guided howitzer shells, drones with lasers designating.
4. ATACMS is not a GPS cripple.
5. EUCOM's posture has become in the last two decades an avenue to project power into CENTCOM, and Justin sees that as its current prime purpose. Interesting take.
6. Over 8,000+ missile strikes on Ukraine since war started. And Ukraine is still in the fight.
My caustic observation is "Air Power au outrance advocates need to pay attention to that"
Many other issues raised, and the training piece was a good one.
7. Any of us who know the business already knew that F-16 isn't a silver bullet, and I appreciated Justin re-emphasizing that point.
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Germany with allies will transfer 100 missiles for Patriot air defense systems to Ukraine, - German Defense Ministry head Pistorius.
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Video 🍿 TEARS OF THE ORC.
“My legs can’t move and I really want to live. We’ll give up, we’ll surrender,that’s it.”
Orc Oleg Vesnin from the 83rd Air Assault Brigade of the russian army told how difficult it is for the orcs at the front.
“Three days without food, without water. I’m very thirsty,” — he complains.
The wounded commander remained with him, and the third orc “left behind, he probably died.” Near the place where they are now, there were five wounded and four more dead orcs.
Vesnin, together with a wounded commander with the call sign “Butcher,” is going to surrender in order to “live at least a little longer.”
“My legs can’t move and I really want to live. We’ll give up, we’ll surrender,that’s it.”
Orc Oleg Vesnin from the 83rd Air Assault Brigade of the russian army told how difficult it is for the orcs at the front.
“Three days without food, without water. I’m very thirsty,” — he complains.
The wounded commander remained with him, and the third orc “left behind, he probably died.” Near the place where they are now, there were five wounded and four more dead orcs.
Vesnin, together with a wounded commander with the call sign “Butcher,” is going to surrender in order to “live at least a little longer.”
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Video 🇷🇺 Putin's Borisoglebsk-2 is done
One of the most expensive targets destroyed by FPV 💥
The Borisoglebsk-2 electronic warfare system is one of the most powerful in Russian service. The cost reaches 200,000,000 dollars.
One of the vehicles of this complex was destroyed by the soldiers of the Taistra unit of the 10th Separate Mechanized Brigade.
One of the most expensive targets destroyed by FPV 💥
The Borisoglebsk-2 electronic warfare system is one of the most powerful in Russian service. The cost reaches 200,000,000 dollars.
One of the vehicles of this complex was destroyed by the soldiers of the Taistra unit of the 10th Separate Mechanized Brigade.



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Video 🇷🇺 Putin's Borisoglebsk-2 is done
One of the most expensive targets destroyed by FPV 💥
The Borisoglebsk-2 electronic warfare system is one of the most powerful in Russian service. The cost reaches 200,000,000 dollars.
One of the vehicles of this complex was destroyed by the soldiers of the Taistra unit of the 10th Separate Mechanized Brigade.
One of the most expensive targets destroyed by FPV 💥
The Borisoglebsk-2 electronic warfare system is one of the most powerful in Russian service. The cost reaches 200,000,000 dollars.
One of the vehicles of this complex was destroyed by the soldiers of the Taistra unit of the 10th Separate Mechanized Brigade.
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I was astounded at the image resolution of the recently destroyed SU-57.
it is not reality, it is not a HiRes sat picture. It is computer rendered (Photoshop, game graphics....)
There is a real-ish before/after sat image of the damaged SU-57 posted by ORAC #11006
KHERSONDESIGNER on X has a nice render of a Mirage with Ukrainian roundels
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I was astounded at the image resolution of the recently destroyed SU-57. I assume that is a satellite photo as the overhead position was the same in the before and after pictures. If this is the resolution that is sent out to the general public the actual must be astounding. Where I'm going is how are these targets, such as the EWS, found? It must be target sharing from NATO to the Ukrainians. Hopefully this is real time information and access is expanded......
And, indeed the SU-57 picture resolution is astonishing. Better than I have ever seen before.

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On second glance it looks like a digital render, or at least a very ‘improved image’ . A google search for ‘ Khersondesigner’ brings up a few more pieces of digital artwork, a Backfire being shot down and an attack on the Crimea bridge. Be good if it was a satellite image though..

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Media are expecting an announcement in the next day of American partriot to ukraine. Expected to be one currently in poland this is number 6. Netherlands announced part of another launchers + radars (7th)
Javier Mieli (argentinian president) has announced they are wanting to send thier 5 super Étendards to ukraine
Javier Mieli (argentinian president) has announced they are wanting to send thier 5 super Étendards to ukraine
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Satellite ground image resolution
Wikipedia: KH-11 KENNEN Resolution and ground sample distance
This references Fried, D. L. (October 1966). "Optical Resolution Through a Randomly Inhomogeneous Medium for Very Long and Very Short Exposures". Journal of the Optical Society of America. 56 (10): 1372–1379.
An appropriate Gaussian blur on the image might have made it more believable.
One of the interesting things about SpaceX's 'Starship' is that, if successful, it will be able to carry substantially larger diameter mirrors into orbit (payload bay is 8 metres in diameter) , enabling the taking of higher resolution images from orbit. That said, large monolithic mirrors are both difficult and expensive to manufacture, so it probably makes more sense to produce a segmented mirror like the James Webb Space telescope, and add adaptive optics - which the Starship could happily carry with its vast payload capacity. A seven metre aperture on a mirror gives a theoretical best ground sample distance of roughly 2.5 cm.
Of course, aircraft don't fly at 250km altitude, and can use smaller aperture optics with image stabilisation and adaptive optics to get good images. U2s are not the only examples of this. Flying directly over a Russian airbase might not be a good idea.
I think KH-11 Kennen images in reality end up with a 10-15cm ground sample distance.
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A perfect 2.4-meter (94 in) mirror observing in the visual spectrum (i.e. at a wavelength of 500 nm) has a diffraction limited resolution of around 0.05 arcsec, which from an orbital altitude of 250 km (160 mi) corresponds to a ground sample distance of 6 cm (2.4 in). Operational resolution should be worse due to effects of the atmospheric turbulence.
An appropriate Gaussian blur on the image might have made it more believable.
One of the interesting things about SpaceX's 'Starship' is that, if successful, it will be able to carry substantially larger diameter mirrors into orbit (payload bay is 8 metres in diameter) , enabling the taking of higher resolution images from orbit. That said, large monolithic mirrors are both difficult and expensive to manufacture, so it probably makes more sense to produce a segmented mirror like the James Webb Space telescope, and add adaptive optics - which the Starship could happily carry with its vast payload capacity. A seven metre aperture on a mirror gives a theoretical best ground sample distance of roughly 2.5 cm.
Of course, aircraft don't fly at 250km altitude, and can use smaller aperture optics with image stabilisation and adaptive optics to get good images. U2s are not the only examples of this. Flying directly over a Russian airbase might not be a good idea.
I think KH-11 Kennen images in reality end up with a 10-15cm ground sample distance.
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The Ukrainians have been sending, if not swarms, multiple UAVs to attack such targets. With the latency of the precise positioning of targets such as individual aircraft it does not stretch the imagination to presume a some are equipped with satellite, or even Russian mobile phone net, linked cameras for pre-strike recce ahead of the bombers, and those towards the end for post-strike recce before self-immolation.
When you don’t have satellites other options come into play.
Not saying that occurred here - but they’d be stupid not too….
When you don’t have satellites other options come into play.
Not saying that occurred here - but they’d be stupid not too….
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They can’t have many left, that’s 6 gone in 72 hours.
A S-300 system near Belbek and two S-400 systems near Belbek and Sevastopol were struck this night, The Ukrainian General Staff reports.
It is rumoured that two (and a possible third) radars were destroyed.
https://t.co/s8GVx38xwr
Destroyed Russian Pantsir-S1 air defense system. As said destroyed by HIMARS strike yesterday:
«The complex belongs to the unit of the 1st Special Purpose Air and Missile Defense Army.
Crew:
• Bariev Denys Andreevich, senior lieutenant, commander, heavily injured;
• Hertsiy Andrey Anatolyevich, senior sergeant, operator, killed;
• Husarov Igor Valerievich, senior sergeant, mechanic-driver, killed.
10.06.2024.
Luhansk region.
A S-300 system near Belbek and two S-400 systems near Belbek and Sevastopol were struck this night, The Ukrainian General Staff reports.
It is rumoured that two (and a possible third) radars were destroyed.
https://t.co/s8GVx38xwr
https://x.com/bayraktar_1love/status...HhlFHGKbTPQr_A
«The complex belongs to the unit of the 1st Special Purpose Air and Missile Defense Army.
Crew:
• Bariev Denys Andreevich, senior lieutenant, commander, heavily injured;
• Hertsiy Andrey Anatolyevich, senior sergeant, operator, killed;
• Husarov Igor Valerievich, senior sergeant, mechanic-driver, killed.
10.06.2024.
Luhansk region.
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Atesh partisan movement reports destroying a satellite communication station in the Moscow region of Russia.
The sabotage was carried out on the territory of the 584th Guards Anti-Aircraft Missile Regiment (military unit No. 62845) in the city of Klin, the movement reports.
According to them, this has weakened the whole air defense system of Moscow region.
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The sabotage was carried out on the territory of the 584th Guards Anti-Aircraft Missile Regiment (military unit No. 62845) in the city of Klin, the movement reports.
According to them, this has weakened the whole air defense system of Moscow region.
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Estonia has announced a new aid package for Ukraine, which will include Mistral air defense missiles, the country's Defense Ministry has said
"We have formed the aid package in such a way that it will be as useful as possible for Ukraine and at the same time will not jeopardize the combat capability of the Estonian Defense Forces," Defense Minister Pevkur said.

"We have formed the aid package in such a way that it will be as useful as possible for Ukraine and at the same time will not jeopardize the combat capability of the Estonian Defense Forces," Defense Minister Pevkur said.

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They can’t have many left, that’s 6 gone in 72 hours.
A S-300 system near Belbek and two S-400 systems near Belbek and Sevastopol were struck this night, The Ukrainian General Staff reports.
It is rumoured that two (and a possible third) radars were destroyed.
Destroyed Russian Pantsir-S1 air defense system. As said destroyed by HIMARS strike yesterday:
«The complex belongs to the unit of the 1st Special Purpose Air and Missile Defense Army.
Crew:
• Bariev Denys Andreevich, senior lieutenant, commander, heavily injured;
• Hertsiy Andrey Anatolyevich, senior sergeant, operator, killed;
• Husarov Igor Valerievich, senior sergeant, mechanic-driver, killed.
10.06.2024.
Luhansk region.
A S-300 system near Belbek and two S-400 systems near Belbek and Sevastopol were struck this night, The Ukrainian General Staff reports.
It is rumoured that two (and a possible third) radars were destroyed.
Destroyed Russian Pantsir-S1 air defense system. As said destroyed by HIMARS strike yesterday:
«The complex belongs to the unit of the 1st Special Purpose Air and Missile Defense Army.
Crew:
• Bariev Denys Andreevich, senior lieutenant, commander, heavily injured;
• Hertsiy Andrey Anatolyevich, senior sergeant, operator, killed;
• Husarov Igor Valerievich, senior sergeant, mechanic-driver, killed.
10.06.2024.
Luhansk region.
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⚡️Netherlands allocates 60 million euros for Ukrainian drone purchases.
The Dutch government is set to provide 60 million euros ($64.4 million) to bolster Ukraine's aerial and naval drone purchasing and production, Dutch Defense Minister Kajsa Ollongren announced on June 11.
The Dutch government is set to provide 60 million euros ($64.4 million) to bolster Ukraine's aerial and naval drone purchasing and production, Dutch Defense Minister Kajsa Ollongren announced on June 11.
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Running out of those with HE warheads?
Cluster submunitions of the Russian Kh-101 cruise missile after tonight’s Russian missile/drone attack on Ukraine. Not far from Kyiv.
P.S: The first time Russians used Kh-101 cruise missile with cluster submunition was reported on 7th of June 2024.



Cluster submunitions of the Russian Kh-101 cruise missile after tonight’s Russian missile/drone attack on Ukraine. Not far from Kyiv.
P.S: The first time Russians used Kh-101 cruise missile with cluster submunition was reported on 7th of June 2024.



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Ukraine has found an alternative to Starlink for strikes in the Crimean waters
The Commander of the Unmanned Systems Forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, Vadim Sukharevsky, assures that an alternative to the Starlink satellite communication system for operating unmanned aerial vehicles in the waters of temporarily occupied Crimea has been found, and a positive result of the dialogue on this matter will be in the near future.
“This issue is being resolved, and a whole working group on dialogue has been created. There is an alternative, the dialogue continues, and in the near future we expect a positive result in this dialogue,” Sukharevsky said at a press conference on Tuesday in Kyiv, answering the question whether an alternative has been found Starlink, on which drones depend.
The Commander of the Unmanned Systems Forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, Vadim Sukharevsky, assures that an alternative to the Starlink satellite communication system for operating unmanned aerial vehicles in the waters of temporarily occupied Crimea has been found, and a positive result of the dialogue on this matter will be in the near future.
“This issue is being resolved, and a whole working group on dialogue has been created. There is an alternative, the dialogue continues, and in the near future we expect a positive result in this dialogue,” Sukharevsky said at a press conference on Tuesday in Kyiv, answering the question whether an alternative has been found Starlink, on which drones depend.
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Unmanned Systems Forces branch of the Armed Forces of Ukraine official recruiting ad.
Their motto:
“This is a special unit for those who grow up with gamepad in their hands.”
Their motto:
“This is a special unit for those who grow up with gamepad in their hands.”




