Ukraine War Thread Part 2
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https://www.defenseone.com/threats/2...s-says/396141/
Another US precision-guided weapon falls prey to Russian electronic warfare, US says
U.S.-provided precision-guided munitions have failed in mission after mission in Ukraine, taken down by Russian electronic warfare. On Wednesday, the Pentagon revealed the latest casualty.
A new ground-launched version of an air-to-ground weapon developed for Ukraine on a rapid timeline failed to hit targets in part because of Russian electro-magnetic warfare, Bill LaPlante, the Pentagon's acquisition chief, said at an event held by think tank CSIS.
LaPlante suggested that Ukraine may no longer be interested in the weapon. “When you send something to people in the fight of their lives that just doesn’t work, they’ll try it three times and they’ll just throw it aside,” said LaPlante.
The weapon LaPlante is referring to is very likely the Ground-Launched Small Diameter Bomb (GLSDB) based on his description, according to Bryan Clark, a senior fellow at the Hudson Institute.
A Boeing spokesperson did not confirm that LaPlante was referring to GLSDB, but said the company is “working closely with the [Defense Department] on spiral capability improvements to the ground-launch SDB system.” Spiral capability improvements refers to an iterative software development process.
The GLDSB boasts a range of 90 miles—double the range of the Guided Multiple Launch Rocket System (GMRLS) missiles Ukraine previously used to wreak havoc on Russia’s logistic centers. Funding for the weapon was approved in February 2023, and Ukraine was reportedly using the weapon by February 2024.
The weapon relies on GPS to navigate to its targets. It also has an inertial navigation system, which navigates to a target by estimating its position through the use of accelerometers and other devices.
But it is not the first GPS-guided weapon to fall afoul of Russian electronic warfare.
In congressional testimony in March, Hudson Institute Senior Fellow Daniel Patt said the targeting system for the GPS-guided Excalibur round “dropped from 70 percent effectiveness to 6 percent effectiveness over a matter of a few months as new EW mechanisms came out” in Ukraine. Patt cited the work of Jack Watling, an expert at think-tank RUSI who has traveled to Ukraine multiple times to interview Ukrainian commanders.
Russian electronic warfare attacks have also directed GMLRS missiles off course, CNN reported last spring. The missiles are similarly guided by a GPS. Russia has also successfully used electronic warfare against GPS-guided Joint Direct Attack Munitions (JDAMs), which are retrofitted aerial bombs.
Russian electronic warfare on the U.S.’s “more precise capabilities is a challenge,” the commander of the chief U.S. aid coordinating group told an audience in December.
Clark, citing a presentation by Ukrainian soldiers, said the Russians use GPS spoofers to throw off the munitions.
GPS spoofers work by sending false location data to GPS navigation devices. Because GPS signals are weak, a stronger, false signal can be sent to override the correct inputs. Russia has used GPS spoofing in Ukraine since at least 2018. But advancements in technology mean spoofers can be created cheaply with just a software-defined radio and open-source software.
The weapons the spoofers are working against, meanwhile, are anything but cheap. A GMLRS missile costs around $160,000, while an Excalibur round can cost as much as $100,000. The GLDSB costs around $40,000.
However, the weapons were largely designed for a period before spoofers were so easy to set up, Clark said. “You didn't really see the advent of miniaturized, capable GPS spoofers until the last ten years or so, because you needed the micro-electronics to be able to do it,” Clark said.
Russia has saturated the front with electronic warfare, Clark said. Truck-mounted electronic warfare systems primarily focused on jamming drones are located every six to nine miles on Ukraine’s frontline, he said….
Another US precision-guided weapon falls prey to Russian electronic warfare, US says
U.S.-provided precision-guided munitions have failed in mission after mission in Ukraine, taken down by Russian electronic warfare. On Wednesday, the Pentagon revealed the latest casualty.
A new ground-launched version of an air-to-ground weapon developed for Ukraine on a rapid timeline failed to hit targets in part because of Russian electro-magnetic warfare, Bill LaPlante, the Pentagon's acquisition chief, said at an event held by think tank CSIS.
LaPlante suggested that Ukraine may no longer be interested in the weapon. “When you send something to people in the fight of their lives that just doesn’t work, they’ll try it three times and they’ll just throw it aside,” said LaPlante.
The weapon LaPlante is referring to is very likely the Ground-Launched Small Diameter Bomb (GLSDB) based on his description, according to Bryan Clark, a senior fellow at the Hudson Institute.
A Boeing spokesperson did not confirm that LaPlante was referring to GLSDB, but said the company is “working closely with the [Defense Department] on spiral capability improvements to the ground-launch SDB system.” Spiral capability improvements refers to an iterative software development process.
The GLDSB boasts a range of 90 miles—double the range of the Guided Multiple Launch Rocket System (GMRLS) missiles Ukraine previously used to wreak havoc on Russia’s logistic centers. Funding for the weapon was approved in February 2023, and Ukraine was reportedly using the weapon by February 2024.
The weapon relies on GPS to navigate to its targets. It also has an inertial navigation system, which navigates to a target by estimating its position through the use of accelerometers and other devices.
But it is not the first GPS-guided weapon to fall afoul of Russian electronic warfare.
In congressional testimony in March, Hudson Institute Senior Fellow Daniel Patt said the targeting system for the GPS-guided Excalibur round “dropped from 70 percent effectiveness to 6 percent effectiveness over a matter of a few months as new EW mechanisms came out” in Ukraine. Patt cited the work of Jack Watling, an expert at think-tank RUSI who has traveled to Ukraine multiple times to interview Ukrainian commanders.
Russian electronic warfare attacks have also directed GMLRS missiles off course, CNN reported last spring. The missiles are similarly guided by a GPS. Russia has also successfully used electronic warfare against GPS-guided Joint Direct Attack Munitions (JDAMs), which are retrofitted aerial bombs.
Russian electronic warfare on the U.S.’s “more precise capabilities is a challenge,” the commander of the chief U.S. aid coordinating group told an audience in December.
Clark, citing a presentation by Ukrainian soldiers, said the Russians use GPS spoofers to throw off the munitions.
GPS spoofers work by sending false location data to GPS navigation devices. Because GPS signals are weak, a stronger, false signal can be sent to override the correct inputs. Russia has used GPS spoofing in Ukraine since at least 2018. But advancements in technology mean spoofers can be created cheaply with just a software-defined radio and open-source software.
The weapons the spoofers are working against, meanwhile, are anything but cheap. A GMLRS missile costs around $160,000, while an Excalibur round can cost as much as $100,000. The GLDSB costs around $40,000.
However, the weapons were largely designed for a period before spoofers were so easy to set up, Clark said. “You didn't really see the advent of miniaturized, capable GPS spoofers until the last ten years or so, because you needed the micro-electronics to be able to do it,” Clark said.
Russia has saturated the front with electronic warfare, Clark said. Truck-mounted electronic warfare systems primarily focused on jamming drones are located every six to nine miles on Ukraine’s frontline, he said….
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Sorry, you are off the mark. You and your behave as both singular and plural pronouns and thus handle collectives well enough. We don't have to resort to Usted and Ustedes.
EU is certainly a You, and most of our NATO allies were/are in the EU (though the Brits bailed out a few years back).
To avoid visual clutter, amplification is in the spoiler. It's for you - the usual short-attention-span audience can't be bothered.
As to Greene, she's not my district so go and bitch to someone else about her.
The good news (thank you Uberteknik) is that the grid lock seems to be breaking, unless some other skulduggery arises.
As it's in the realm of politics, there's a chance something else will come up but I am betting that it won't.
Patriots for Ukraine: there's a nice play on words in there, maybe I need to start making T-Shirts.
EU is certainly a You, and most of our NATO allies were/are in the EU (though the Brits bailed out a few years back).
To avoid visual clutter, amplification is in the spoiler. It's for you - the usual short-attention-span audience can't be bothered.
Spoiler
As to Greene, she's not my district so go and bitch to someone else about her.
The good news (thank you Uberteknik) is that the grid lock seems to be breaking, unless some other skulduggery arises.
As it's in the realm of politics, there's a chance something else will come up but I am betting that it won't.
Patriots for Ukraine: there's a nice play on words in there, maybe I need to start making T-Shirts.
Schengen is about border controls for migration of people within europe. It has nothing whatsoever to do with defense.
The Euro prevents signatory states from competing with each other using monetary policy. It too has nothing to do with defense.
Neither of these have anything to do with competing with the United States.
They are each entirely about competition WITHIN europe.
Respectfully you are showing a profound lack of understanding of what the EU is and does, a misunderstanding not uncommon in the US.
Again, your Spanish example notwithstanding, europe is neither a “you” nor a “y’all” when it comes to defense.
It’s just a bunch of individual countries.
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Necessity is the mother of invention. As powder (take it that is thermite?) doesn't mind cope cages these work against variety of "drone protected" vehicles though I can also see these used against the moving sheds as well.
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I have always thought the Kerch bridge is an important target that needs hitting, not neccessarily the road one but definately the rail bridge, The reason I say that is in the past a lot of the heavy armour and trucks etc were being shipped over it by train.
If you cannot use a train you will need transporters and vehicles to bring supplies across, 30+ armoured vehicles on a single train will need a lot of fuel and logistics to drive / carry them over the road bridge.
I have always thought the Kerch bridge is an important target that needs hitting, not neccessarily the road one but definately the rail bridge, The reason I say that is in the past a lot of the heavy armour and trucks etc were being shipped over it by train.
If you cannot use a train you will need transporters and vehicles to bring supplies across, 30+ armoured vehicles on a single train will need a lot of fuel and logistics to drive / carry them over the road bridge.
If you cannot use a train you will need transporters and vehicles to bring supplies across, 30+ armoured vehicles on a single train will need a lot of fuel and logistics to drive / carry them over the road bridge.
Perhaps allowing the hardware to arrive before cutting off the fuel and food?
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Sure you are. Then why the anthem?
I was living in Europe in the 90's as a bunch of this was going down, but we are well off topic.
I was living in Europe in the 90's as a bunch of this was going down, but we are well off topic.
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It looks like a lot of the captured stuff has had a repaint.
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Interesting read.
The Russian penal battalion instructor speaks with pain in his heart about the only working method of the second army in the world, which is throwing corpses at enemy trenches, while the media and propaganda tell tales of heroic advances at the front. He is well aware of what lies behind the victorious reports and the principle of moving forward "at any cost".
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Beware distressing scenes, Viewers discretion is advised, quoted links only, you have been warned.
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Adding realism to the proceedings at a Russian training ground.
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From Business Insider
Story by Charlie Bradley
The question is, does Ukraine have the capacity to mount a counter attack?
Story by Charlie Bradley
Ukrainian soldiers have been "destroyed" on the frontline as they still remain under armed and lament their "stupid command." Much of the most intense fighting is taking place in the Donetsk region, occupied by Russia since 2014. One Ukrainian serviceman described in a post on X how a lack of leadership in the military is costing Kyiv.
He said: "My company was literally destroyed, we carried out tasks in the worst conditions and no one cared, we stormed without support and with stupid command, we defended with almost no support and with the same stupid command."
Meanwhile, General Serhiy Krivonos said in a television interview: "What we have is a serious systemic failure."
Speaking to Al Jazeera, a soldier based in Donetsk said: "We are firing one shell in response to 10 ones from their side."
Nikolay Mitrokhin of Germany's University of Bremen also told the same outlet: "In the Donetsk front, there is a large hole through which Russians can advance in three, four directions.
"The situation is pretty bad, but it's not clear what reserves Ukrainian forces will find and how Russian forces can break through minefields under constant drone attacks," he said.
Mikhail Zhyrokhov, a Ukraine-based military analyst, told Radio NV: "This is a breakthrough not of tactical but of strategic level. And that's why Russians will only strengthen their pressure.
"The situation around Ocheretyne is very difficult and tends to only get worse. Because such an advance gives Russians huge advantages on the flanks. That's why holding other towns, another line of defence will be very hard."
He said: "My company was literally destroyed, we carried out tasks in the worst conditions and no one cared, we stormed without support and with stupid command, we defended with almost no support and with the same stupid command."
Meanwhile, General Serhiy Krivonos said in a television interview: "What we have is a serious systemic failure."
Speaking to Al Jazeera, a soldier based in Donetsk said: "We are firing one shell in response to 10 ones from their side."
Nikolay Mitrokhin of Germany's University of Bremen also told the same outlet: "In the Donetsk front, there is a large hole through which Russians can advance in three, four directions.
"The situation is pretty bad, but it's not clear what reserves Ukrainian forces will find and how Russian forces can break through minefields under constant drone attacks," he said.
Mikhail Zhyrokhov, a Ukraine-based military analyst, told Radio NV: "This is a breakthrough not of tactical but of strategic level. And that's why Russians will only strengthen their pressure.
"The situation around Ocheretyne is very difficult and tends to only get worse. Because such an advance gives Russians huge advantages on the flanks. That's why holding other towns, another line of defence will be very hard."
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Update on German Military Aid to #Ukraine
DELIVERED IN THE PAST ~3 WEEKS —
1 Skynex air defence system —
10 Marder 1A3 IFVs —
1 bridge-laying tank Biber —
6 Oshkosh M1070 —
1 Pionierpanzer 2A1 Dachs AEV —
9 mine ploughs —
3,000 RGW90 MATADOR —
1 TRML-4D air surveillance radar —
? IRIS-T SL missiles —
29,638 35mm APDS-T rounds for Gepard SPAAGs —
ammunition for Leopard 2 MBTs —
18,000 40mm rounds for automatic grenade launchers —
? 120mm mortar ammunition —
7,500 155mm shells —
1 AMPS self-protection system for helicopters —
60 outboard motors —
600 light system faLKE —
1,980 camouflage nets —
2,000 (likely camouflage) ponchos —
100,000 first aid kits PLEDGED —
1 Patriot air defence system (already known)
DELIVERED IN THE PAST ~3 WEEKS —
1 Skynex air defence system —
10 Marder 1A3 IFVs —
1 bridge-laying tank Biber —
6 Oshkosh M1070 —
1 Pionierpanzer 2A1 Dachs AEV —
9 mine ploughs —
3,000 RGW90 MATADOR —
1 TRML-4D air surveillance radar —
? IRIS-T SL missiles —
29,638 35mm APDS-T rounds for Gepard SPAAGs —
ammunition for Leopard 2 MBTs —
18,000 40mm rounds for automatic grenade launchers —
? 120mm mortar ammunition —
7,500 155mm shells —
1 AMPS self-protection system for helicopters —
60 outboard motors —
600 light system faLKE —
1,980 camouflage nets —
2,000 (likely camouflage) ponchos —
100,000 first aid kits PLEDGED —
1 Patriot air defence system (already known)