Ukraine War Thread Part 2

Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 2,140
Likes: 331
From: Royal Berkshire
Perhaps a better perspective....
WW2 militaria deaths by country:
Yugoslavia = 300,000 to 446,000
USA = 407,300
UK (and Crown Colonies) = 383,700
Italy = 341,000
Romania = 300,000
Poland = 240,000
France = 210,000
So, potentially, Russia may well have lost in just 2 years of fighting in Ukraine, already more than almost any other country that fought in WW2 other than China, Japan, Germany and USSR.
WW2 militaria deaths by country:
Yugoslavia = 300,000 to 446,000
USA = 407,300
UK (and Crown Colonies) = 383,700
Italy = 341,000
Romania = 300,000
Poland = 240,000
France = 210,000
So, potentially, Russia may well have lost in just 2 years of fighting in Ukraine, already more than almost any other country that fought in WW2 other than China, Japan, Germany and USSR.
Joined: Aug 2023
Posts: 36
Likes: 9
From: EU
Perhaps a better perspective....
WW2 militaria deaths by country:
Yugoslavia = 300,000 to 446,000
USA = 407,300
UK (and Crown Colonies) = 383,700
Italy = 341,000
Romania = 300,000
Poland = 240,000
France = 210,000
So, potentially, Russia may well have lost in just 2 years of fighting in Ukraine, already more than almost any other country that fought in WW2 other than China, Japan, Germany and USSR.
WW2 militaria deaths by country:
Yugoslavia = 300,000 to 446,000
USA = 407,300
UK (and Crown Colonies) = 383,700
Italy = 341,000
Romania = 300,000
Poland = 240,000
France = 210,000
So, potentially, Russia may well have lost in just 2 years of fighting in Ukraine, already more than almost any other country that fought in WW2 other than China, Japan, Germany and USSR.
I think BBC is more reliable than X accounts
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-68819853



Joined: Dec 2017
Aviation Qualifications: SLF
Posts: 985
Likes: 706
From: Yakima
Perhaps a better perspective....
WW2 militaria deaths by country:
Yugoslavia = 300,000 to 446,000
USA = 407,300
UK (and Crown Colonies) = 383,700
Italy = 341,000
Romania = 300,000
Poland = 240,000
France = 210,000
So, potentially, Russia may well have lost in just 2 years of fighting in Ukraine, already more than almost any other country that fought in WW2 other than China, Japan, Germany and USSR.
WW2 militaria deaths by country:
Yugoslavia = 300,000 to 446,000
USA = 407,300
UK (and Crown Colonies) = 383,700
Italy = 341,000
Romania = 300,000
Poland = 240,000
France = 210,000
So, potentially, Russia may well have lost in just 2 years of fighting in Ukraine, already more than almost any other country that fought in WW2 other than China, Japan, Germany and USSR.


Joined: Dec 2020
Aviation Qualifications: Non-Aircrew
Posts: 1,583
Likes: 1,389
From: Over the rainbow
The important figure is not how many you have lost but how many you are prepared to lose? In a war of attrition Russia wins. Which is why letting this war enter into a period of attrition was a mistake. One we will regret long term.

Joined: Apr 2014
Posts: 176
Likes: 117
From: Scotland
According to BBC, Russians KIA are 50000
I think BBC is more reliable than X accounts
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-68819853
I think BBC is more reliable than X accounts
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-68819853
I think that the UAF figures are (intentionally) not clear about whether they refer to casualties or killed, but 450k casualties would be about right given 100-120k KIA.

Joined: Sep 2019
Posts: 1,980
Likes: 636
From: Outer ring of HEL
Lithuania delivering trainer jet to Ukraine.
Along with rocket pods...
Along with rocket pods...
Thread Starter


Joined: Feb 2006
Aviation Qualifications: LAME
Posts: 36,145
Likes: 5,739
From: Falling off the end of the thread
The missing 4th pilot has been located and is dead, normally the loss of a crew would be tinged with sadness but they were targeting civilians and while they have jets, crews are a finite supply, so the more they lose the better..
Thread Starter


Joined: Feb 2006
Aviation Qualifications: LAME
Posts: 36,145
Likes: 5,739
From: Falling off the end of the thread
Thread Starter


Joined: Feb 2006
Aviation Qualifications: LAME
Posts: 36,145
Likes: 5,739
From: Falling off the end of the thread
Norway handing over more AD systems to Ukraine.

Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 17,732
Likes: 2,104
From: Reading, UK
I'd be amazed if the actual number of KIA didn't come to twice, or even three times that number.
Thread Starter


Joined: Feb 2006
Aviation Qualifications: LAME
Posts: 36,145
Likes: 5,739
From: Falling off the end of the thread
Russian resupply lines that Ukraine need to deal with.

Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 2,140
Likes: 331
From: Royal Berkshire
According to the account on the BBS WS, the criteria are even more stringent than that - the figure quoted is for deaths that are identifiable by name, from a range of sources including social media, press, cemetery inscriptions, etc.
I'd be amazed if the actual number of KIA didn't come to twice, or even three times that number.
I'd be amazed if the actual number of KIA didn't come to twice, or even three times that number.
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 108
Likes: 18
From: Central Azervicestan
According to the account on the BBS WS, the criteria are even more stringent than that - the figure quoted is for deaths that are identifiable by name, from a range of sources including social media, press, cemetery inscriptions, etc.
I'd be amazed if the actual number of KIA didn't come to twice, or even three times that number.
I'd be amazed if the actual number of KIA didn't come to twice, or even three times that number.
Given the brutality of the fighting, the meatwave tactics, likely appx 1-2-3 KIA for every vehicle destroyed for a start (?), 60 troops here and 60 sailors there in a single attack... 150K would average to about 200 KIA per day. And that unfortunate figure could very well be in the ballpark.
Double that for wounded with a very approximate rule of thumb?
450K total casualties quite possible.


Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 371
Likes: 182
From: Europe
According to the account on the BBS WS, the criteria are even more stringent than that - the figure quoted is for deaths that are identifiable by name, from a range of sources including social media, press, cemetery inscriptions, etc.
I'd be amazed if the actual number of KIA didn't come to twice, or even three times that number.
I'd be amazed if the actual number of KIA didn't come to twice, or even three times that number.
It is not good that USA internal politics have forced a war of attrition on to Ukraine over the last 6-months, and that failing can be shared very widely amongst the remainder of the Western allies who all still have not sufficiently resourced Ukraine's efforts to defend itself. But we are where we are. I sincerely hope that the removal of the USA blockage stabilises the short term, and that later in the year the F16 arrival makes both a quantitative and qualitative difference. Let us hope that penny packet arrivals of F16 do not lead to undue F16 (and crew/groundforce) attrition as they will get heavily targetted.

Ecce Homo! Loquitur...

Joined: Jul 2000
Aviation Qualifications: Spotter
Posts: 24,684
Likes: 7,371
From: Peripatetic
Avdiivka - Two Russian soldiers are discussing how Russia is winning…..
"Mildly" Eccentric Stardriver

Joined: Jan 2000
Aviation Qualifications: ATP+Mil
Posts: 4,332
Likes: 486
From: England



Joined: Nov 2011
Aviation Qualifications: SLF
Posts: 2,881
Likes: 516
From: Japan
Joined: Nov 2022
Posts: 75
Likes: 60
From: Cherniy Ostrov
Lithuania delivering trainer jet to Ukraine.
Along with rocket pods...
https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/s...80471954764166
....The light jet trainer had been disassembled, packed in a box truck, and shipped across the border into Ukraine.
Along with rocket pods...
https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/s...80471954764166
....The light jet trainer had been disassembled, packed in a box truck, and shipped across the border into Ukraine.
IM





