Ukraine War Thread Part 2
DESTROYED: Update on yesterday's AFU OWUAV strike on the "Konteyner" 29B6 OTHR (Over-The-Horizon Radar) in Mordovia, Mordor
«Regarding yesterday's attack on the "Konteynor" over-the-horizon radar located in Mordovia, they (katsaps) whine loudly that the attack was successful and now the station is disabled.
This is the only over-the-horizon tracking radar of its kind, which allowed detecting aerodynamic targets (according to propaganda) at a distance of up to 3,000 km. The loss of this radar will deprive Katsap of intelligence information and the possibility of early detection of tactical strike aircraft.
The factory where the "Container" was produced is already practically closed, and the long-range radar development institute has ceased to exist. This radar was developed over a period of ~ 5 years, and it took ~ 10-15 years to put it into service.» -- ZSU War News
«Regarding yesterday's attack on the "Konteynor" over-the-horizon radar located in Mordovia, they (katsaps) whine loudly that the attack was successful and now the station is disabled.
This is the only over-the-horizon tracking radar of its kind, which allowed detecting aerodynamic targets (according to propaganda) at a distance of up to 3,000 km. The loss of this radar will deprive Katsap of intelligence information and the possibility of early detection of tactical strike aircraft.
The factory where the "Container" was produced is already practically closed, and the long-range radar development institute has ceased to exist. This radar was developed over a period of ~ 5 years, and it took ~ 10-15 years to put it into service.» -- ZSU War News
Over the Horizon is notoriously difficult to master as it utilises the ionosphere to literally 'bounce' the radar signals over the horizon and then pick up the target reflections back over the return horizon. The complexities of doing this are enormous since the ionosphere is dynamic and requires real-time modelling using back-scatter sounders, ionospheric depth plotting, weather modelling, mini-radar mapping etc. Then there is the background clutter returned because the radar target return signal also gets mixed with land and sea clutter. Couple that with frequency hopping to compensate for weather conditions, different outbound and return signal distances (ionosphere is dynamic) with the radar return signal strength dropping as an inverse 4th power vs distance. Now couple that with the static TxRx aerials forming an active electronically scanned array. Oh...and did I mention the target is small and also moving fast and likely using ECM jamming to boot! All of this information must be signal processed and data fused in real-time to extract the target information then displayed. The signal frequencies required for OTH are low and hence resolution is not enough to get anywhere a near meaningful track for incoming low flying objects let alone altitude.
All this to say OTH is another Russian tub full of BS.
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Satellite imagery released of the destroyed S-400 complex at the Russian held airport, it was well and truly clobbered.
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Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
All this to say OTH is another Russian tub full of BS.
https://www.australiandefence.com.au...thr-capability
Can’t speak for the Russians, but they’ve been investing and building OHTRs for a long time…..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duga_radar
The antenna in the photo has every characteristic of an OTH radar.
Yes it looks like an OTH array. However,
The Jindalee radar has arrays measured in kilometers and the Ausies started their programme since the 1980's and even earlier with input from the Brits and Americanss and are still developing' it.
I worked on the signal processing programme in the late 90's.
The Su57 is a supposed fifth generation stealth aircraft equivalent to the F22 and F35.
Yes it looks like an OTH array. However,
The Jindalee radar has arrays measured in kilometers and the Ausies started their programme since the 1980's and even earlier with input from the Brits and Americanss and are still developing' it.
I worked on the signal processing programme in the late 90's.
Yes it looks like an OTH array. However,
The Jindalee radar has arrays measured in kilometers and the Ausies started their programme since the 1980's and even earlier with input from the Brits and Americanss and are still developing' it.
I worked on the signal processing programme in the late 90's.
As you’ve been out of it for years, what’s your best guess where the technology is today regarding effectiveness?
The Su57 is a supposed fifth generation stealth aircraft equivalent to the F22 and F35.
Yes it looks like an OTH array. However,
The Jindalee radar has arrays measured in kilometers and the Ausies started their programme since the 1980's and even earlier with input from the Brits and Americanss and are still developing' it.
I worked on the signal processing programme in the late 90's.
Yes it looks like an OTH array. However,
The Jindalee radar has arrays measured in kilometers and the Ausies started their programme since the 1980's and even earlier with input from the Brits and Americanss and are still developing' it.
I worked on the signal processing programme in the late 90's.
By their very nature OTH radars are extremely easy to identify and locate, so this one will have been an obvious target for Ukraine to destroy.
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Basically it’s a version of tbe Chernobyl woodpecker.
Under Project POTEEN, there was going to be an OTHR in the UK, with the transmitter site at RAF St Davids and the receiver site at RAF Blakehill Farm. But with the break up of the Soviet Union at the end of 1991, the Cold War was deemed over and the whole thing was cancelled.....
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US arms should reach Ukraine in under a week following the vote, if it passes.
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Under Project POTEEN, there was going to be an OTHR in the UK, with the transmitter site at RAF St Davids and the receiver site at RAF Blakehill Farm. But with the break up of the Soviet Union at the end of 1991, the Cold War was deemed over and the whole thing was cancelled.....
As Xhorst says, who knows what the future holds............... but "son of ROTHR" is being deployed as we speak!
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EU is certainly a You, and most of our NATO allies were/are in the EU (though the Brits bailed out a few years back).
To avoid visual clutter, amplification is in the spoiler. It's for you - the usual short-attention-span audience can't be bothered.
Spoiler
As to Greene, she's not my district so go and bitch to someone else about her.
The good news (thank you Uberteknik) is that the grid lock seems to be breaking, unless some other skulduggery arises.
As it's in the realm of politics, there's a chance something else will come up but I am betting that it won't.
Patriots for Ukraine: there's a nice play on words in there, maybe I need to start making T-Shirts.
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Wouldn't it be nice if all countries made a pledge for continual support, not just one off packages?
I can hear it in the Ukrainian trenches "Okay lads, lets fight the Invaders again, at least until the bombs run out again".
What price all that blood being spilt.
I can hear it in the Ukrainian trenches "Okay lads, lets fight the Invaders again, at least until the bombs run out again".
What price all that blood being spilt.
True, but the Senate is all for this aid and there will be no problem passing it; they have previously sent a Ukraine aid bill to the House which didn't act on it. Monday signing maybe?
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From the New York Times https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/20/u...-military.html
Shipments of American weapons could begin flowing to Ukraine again soon after a long-stalled aid package becomes law, U.S. officials say, with goods from the Pentagon’s stockpiles in Germany to be shipped quickly by rail to the Ukrainian border.
The measure would provide the Ukraine war effort with about $60 billion. A sizable amount is set aside to replenish U.S. defense stockpiles, and billions more would be used to purchase U.S. defense systems, which Ukrainian officials say are badly needed.
In a statement on Saturday after the House approved the aid package, President Biden urged the Senate to swiftly take up the measure to help meet Ukrainian forces’ “urgent battlefield needs.” It was expected to do so as early as Tuesday.
The measure would provide the Ukraine war effort with about $60 billion. A sizable amount is set aside to replenish U.S. defense stockpiles, and billions more would be used to purchase U.S. defense systems, which Ukrainian officials say are badly needed.
In a statement on Saturday after the House approved the aid package, President Biden urged the Senate to swiftly take up the measure to help meet Ukrainian forces’ “urgent battlefield needs.” It was expected to do so as early as Tuesday.