Ukraine War Thread Part 2
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We’re not taking this seriously - all these sites should now have armed guards, ideally the army.
UK's only 155-mm shells plant reports a blast (no serious damage for the factory) tonight. Two days ago, fire started at a US ammo facility in Scranton, producing shells for Ukraine. Today, in Germany, two Russian saboteurs have been arrested. /1
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ontractor.html
Third 155mm factory to suffer explosion/fire this week.
2 in the United States
1 in the UK
2 Russian saboteurs were arrested in Germany.
Russia has a long track record of this
Since 2014 they have blown up
6 in Ukraine
2 in the Czech Republic
1 in Bulgaria
UK's only 155-mm shells plant reports a blast (no serious damage for the factory) tonight. Two days ago, fire started at a US ammo facility in Scranton, producing shells for Ukraine. Today, in Germany, two Russian saboteurs have been arrested. /1
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ontractor.html
Third 155mm factory to suffer explosion/fire this week.
2 in the United States
1 in the UK
2 Russian saboteurs were arrested in Germany.
Russia has a long track record of this
Since 2014 they have blown up
6 in Ukraine
2 in the Czech Republic
1 in Bulgaria
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DESTROYED: Update on yesterday's AFU OWUAV strike on the "Konteyner" 29B6 OTHR (Over-The-Horizon Radar) in Mordovia, Mordor
«Regarding yesterday's attack on the "Konteynor" over-the-horizon radar located in Mordovia, they (katsaps) whine loudly that the attack was successful and now the station is disabled.
This is the only over-the-horizon tracking radar of its kind, which allowed detecting aerodynamic targets (according to propaganda) at a distance of up to 3,000 km. The loss of this radar will deprive Katsap of intelligence information and the possibility of early detection of tactical strike aircraft.
The factory where the "Container" was produced is already practically closed, and the long-range radar development institute has ceased to exist. This radar was developed over a period of ~ 5 years, and it took ~ 10-15 years to put it into service.» -- ZSU War News
«Regarding yesterday's attack on the "Konteynor" over-the-horizon radar located in Mordovia, they (katsaps) whine loudly that the attack was successful and now the station is disabled.
This is the only over-the-horizon tracking radar of its kind, which allowed detecting aerodynamic targets (according to propaganda) at a distance of up to 3,000 km. The loss of this radar will deprive Katsap of intelligence information and the possibility of early detection of tactical strike aircraft.
The factory where the "Container" was produced is already practically closed, and the long-range radar development institute has ceased to exist. This radar was developed over a period of ~ 5 years, and it took ~ 10-15 years to put it into service.» -- ZSU War News
Originally Posted by konstantin;1163864, 2
aircraft subsequently travelling a fair way east before succumbing... toahem, an engine problem, according to one Russian report...
We’re not taking this seriously - all these sites should now have armed guards, ideally the army.
UK's only 155-mm shells plant reports a blast (no serious damage for the factory) tonight. Two days ago, fire started at a US ammo facility in Scranton, producing shells for Ukraine. Today, in Germany, two Russian saboteurs have been arrested.
Third 155mm factory to suffer explosion/fire this week.
2 in the United States
1 in the UK
2 Russian saboteurs were arrested in Germany.
Russia has a long track record of this
Since 2014 they have blown up
6 in Ukraine
2 in the Czech Republic
1 in Bulgaria
UK's only 155-mm shells plant reports a blast (no serious damage for the factory) tonight. Two days ago, fire started at a US ammo facility in Scranton, producing shells for Ukraine. Today, in Germany, two Russian saboteurs have been arrested.
Third 155mm factory to suffer explosion/fire this week.
2 in the United States
1 in the UK
2 Russian saboteurs were arrested in Germany.
Russia has a long track record of this
Since 2014 they have blown up
6 in Ukraine
2 in the Czech Republic
1 in Bulgaria
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That is the only rape those Russians will be doing... lying in a field of it... One is apparently dead, the other was reported as missing.
From the New York Times today https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/18/u...aine-bill.html
House Republicans took a critical step late Thursday night toward bringing up the long-stalled foreign aid bill for Ukraine and Israel, after being forced to rely on Democratic votes to move a plan to consider it out of a key committee and onto the floor.
The 9-to-3 vote in the critical Rules Committee was an early step in the convoluted process the House is expected to go through over the next couple of days to approve the $95 billion aid package. It reflected the extent of far-right anger over Speaker Mike Johnson’s plan to push through the legislation over the opposition of ultraconservative Republicans, and underscored how heavily the speaker will have to rely on Democrats to push it across the finish line.
In a spasm of anger, three far-right Republicans on the panel, which controls what legislation comes to the House floor, refused to back the rule needed to bring up the foreign aid bill, putting it on track to die in committee. But Democrats on the panel stepped in to save it in an extraordinary breach of custom.
All Democrats voted to advance the plan out of committee.
The Rules Committee has traditionally been an organ of the speaker, and legislation is typically advanced to the floor in a straight party-line vote.
Democrats will all but certainly have to provide the votes on the House floor to approve the rule and allow the aid package to be brought up, lending their support in an yet another unorthodox vote in the face of Republican opposition.
The 9-to-3 vote in the critical Rules Committee was an early step in the convoluted process the House is expected to go through over the next couple of days to approve the $95 billion aid package. It reflected the extent of far-right anger over Speaker Mike Johnson’s plan to push through the legislation over the opposition of ultraconservative Republicans, and underscored how heavily the speaker will have to rely on Democrats to push it across the finish line.
In a spasm of anger, three far-right Republicans on the panel, which controls what legislation comes to the House floor, refused to back the rule needed to bring up the foreign aid bill, putting it on track to die in committee. But Democrats on the panel stepped in to save it in an extraordinary breach of custom.
All Democrats voted to advance the plan out of committee.
The Rules Committee has traditionally been an organ of the speaker, and legislation is typically advanced to the floor in a straight party-line vote.
Democrats will all but certainly have to provide the votes on the House floor to approve the rule and allow the aid package to be brought up, lending their support in an yet another unorthodox vote in the face of Republican opposition.
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
That is the only rape those Russians will be doing... lying in a field of it... One is apparently, dead the other was reported as missing.
System described here relating to a ground accident in 2021 where 3 crew members were killed.
https://theaviationist.com/2021/03/2...-crew-members/
Russian occupier returns home from his looting trip to Ukraine to find out his house has been... looted.
"They took the toilet seat. Why?"
"Where is the morality?"
Serves him right. Should've stayed at home.
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Good news indeed!!!! From the New York Times just now https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/19/u...ill-house.html
The House took a critical step on Friday toward approving a long-stalled package of aid to Ukraine, Israel and other American allies, as Democrats supplied the crucial votes to push the legislation past Republican opposition so that it could be considered on the floor.
The 316-94 vote cleared the way for the House to bring up the aid package, teeing up separate votes on Saturday on each of its parts. But passage of those measures, each of which enjoys bipartisan support from different coalitions, was not in doubt, making Friday’s action the key indicator that the legislation will prevail.
The rule for considering the bill — historically a straight party-line vote — passed with more Democratic than Republican support, but it also won a majority of G.O.P. votes, making it clear that despite a pocket of deep resistance from the far right, there is broad bipartisan backing for the $95.3 billion package.
The vote was an enormous victory in the long effort to fund Ukraine as it battles against Russian aggression, a major priority of President Biden that has met with bitter resistance from the right. It was a triumph against the forces of isolationism within the G.O.P. and a major moment of bipartisan consensus in a Congress that for the past year has been mostly defined by its dysfunction.
The 316-94 vote cleared the way for the House to bring up the aid package, teeing up separate votes on Saturday on each of its parts. But passage of those measures, each of which enjoys bipartisan support from different coalitions, was not in doubt, making Friday’s action the key indicator that the legislation will prevail.
The rule for considering the bill — historically a straight party-line vote — passed with more Democratic than Republican support, but it also won a majority of G.O.P. votes, making it clear that despite a pocket of deep resistance from the far right, there is broad bipartisan backing for the $95.3 billion package.
The vote was an enormous victory in the long effort to fund Ukraine as it battles against Russian aggression, a major priority of President Biden that has met with bitter resistance from the right. It was a triumph against the forces of isolationism within the G.O.P. and a major moment of bipartisan consensus in a Congress that for the past year has been mostly defined by its dysfunction.
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An American Fighting on the Russian side found out the hard way why it was a bad idea.
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Way to go boys, now get them delivered. Not next monrh, not next year… Now.
NATO allies, including the Netherlands, the UK, and Canada, have pledged to provide Ukraine with additional air defense systems, including Patriot systems, to bolster its defense against Russian aggression.
During a virtual meeting of the NATO-Ukraine Council, President Volodymyr Zelensky highlighted the urgent need for at least seven Patriot air defense systems. The Netherlands has committed over €200 million for air defense and artillery ammunition. This support comes in response to Ukraine's critical need for air defense capabilities to protect its people and military forces.
The decision underscores the ongoing international support for Ukraine in its defense against Russian aggression.
The Czech Republic purchased 500,000 shells for Ukraine.
During a virtual meeting of the NATO-Ukraine Council, President Volodymyr Zelensky highlighted the urgent need for at least seven Patriot air defense systems. The Netherlands has committed over €200 million for air defense and artillery ammunition. This support comes in response to Ukraine's critical need for air defense capabilities to protect its people and military forces.
The decision underscores the ongoing international support for Ukraine in its defense against Russian aggression.
The Czech Republic purchased 500,000 shells for Ukraine.
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Satellite images of the damaged radar hit by Ukraine
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The US is readying to ship urgent air defence equipment to Ukraine when they get the go.
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Proof Ukraine is knocking down the Kh-22 missiles now.
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The remains of a Russian Kh-22 supersonic missile shot down by Ukrainian Air Defense
You may refer to 9-11-01. The difference is that rather than sit back and take it, we decided to do something about it.
The results are mixed, to be sure.
Fair enough. The EU spent a lot of the 90's and 00's trying to push back against the idea of an American hegemon, but failed for over 30 years to evolve a coherent defense policy - despite the efforts at becoming something bigger and better.
This isn't just a problem in the teens, it's a decades long problem. Ever since Euro Coprs was ideated in the 90's it has been all noise, little to no action.
And decided to do something about it. Results are decidedly mixed. What that reaction did achieve, though, was to send a message that it's gonna cost you to do that. Some people still try. And a lot of them die.
No, that's not it. It's all a day late and a dollar short. I was quite frustrated at how many strings were attached to stuff (by the US and others) being sent to Ukraine in the first year. Did not make sense to me. At least some of those restrictions are relaxed at this point.
You can't see past the end of your nose.
Without the billions already committed they'd not have had the means to keep fighting.
Also, something you likely failed to account for is how the US backfilled certain nations' equipment when they donated their Soviet era equipment to Ukraine (since that is what Ukraine was most familiar with and had in their order of battle). There's a place where the Visigrad, Baltic, and other previous Bloc folks shone like the sun.
A well done all around.
(And they could receive US kit as a back fill without it getting earmarked as Ukraine aid ... see also what Greece pulled off recently).
Nutty you got on the blame the US bus based on a lack of wit, and you remain there for the same reason.
It's your fault - collectively, all of you in Europe, to include the UK (you only recently left the EU) - that you failed to establish a EUROPEAN security environment.
You evisicerated your own capability to the point that some of you basically can't provide the formations already committed to NATO ... that's been a topic that's very current for the last few months from multiple sources.(See the NATO vs Russia thread as well...)
FFS, even high NATO officials are saying that NATO needs a few YEARS to get back on step.
All of you are at fault. (Credit to the Poles for playing Cassandra, but who would listen?)
I repeat since you seem to not listen to well: you collectively had 30 plus years to do it, you talked about it on and on and on for decades: and you have failed.
On the bright side, it appears that some corrective action is in the offing.
What if Putin's propaganda campaign (which someone in Brussels was barking about last week) impacts EU elections this year?
Are you still going to be a whinging loser and blame the US for your self-made problems?
Knowing you, Nutty, yes you will.
But here's what you Euros could do.
Assume Trump wins. (I don't think he will, but can you afford to plan for something other than worst case?)
Make your plans according to his worst rhetoric coming true.
There's a planning assumption that may get some people off of their butts and produce results.
And if the more likely thing happens (Trump doesn't win) then you are ahead of the game in terms of catching up.
The results are mixed, to be sure.
Fair enough. The EU spent a lot of the 90's and 00's trying to push back against the idea of an American hegemon, but failed for over 30 years to evolve a coherent defense policy - despite the efforts at becoming something bigger and better.
This isn't just a problem in the teens, it's a decades long problem. Ever since Euro Coprs was ideated in the 90's it has been all noise, little to no action.
And decided to do something about it. Results are decidedly mixed. What that reaction did achieve, though, was to send a message that it's gonna cost you to do that. Some people still try. And a lot of them die.
No, that's not it. It's all a day late and a dollar short. I was quite frustrated at how many strings were attached to stuff (by the US and others) being sent to Ukraine in the first year. Did not make sense to me. At least some of those restrictions are relaxed at this point.
You can't see past the end of your nose.
Without the billions already committed they'd not have had the means to keep fighting.
Also, something you likely failed to account for is how the US backfilled certain nations' equipment when they donated their Soviet era equipment to Ukraine (since that is what Ukraine was most familiar with and had in their order of battle). There's a place where the Visigrad, Baltic, and other previous Bloc folks shone like the sun.
A well done all around.
(And they could receive US kit as a back fill without it getting earmarked as Ukraine aid ... see also what Greece pulled off recently).
Nutty you got on the blame the US bus based on a lack of wit, and you remain there for the same reason.
It's your fault - collectively, all of you in Europe, to include the UK (you only recently left the EU) - that you failed to establish a EUROPEAN security environment.
You evisicerated your own capability to the point that some of you basically can't provide the formations already committed to NATO ... that's been a topic that's very current for the last few months from multiple sources.(See the NATO vs Russia thread as well...)
FFS, even high NATO officials are saying that NATO needs a few YEARS to get back on step.
All of you are at fault. (Credit to the Poles for playing Cassandra, but who would listen?)
I repeat since you seem to not listen to well: you collectively had 30 plus years to do it, you talked about it on and on and on for decades: and you have failed.
On the bright side, it appears that some corrective action is in the offing.
What if Putin's propaganda campaign (which someone in Brussels was barking about last week) impacts EU elections this year?
Are you still going to be a whinging loser and blame the US for your self-made problems?
Knowing you, Nutty, yes you will.
But here's what you Euros could do.
Assume Trump wins. (I don't think he will, but can you afford to plan for something other than worst case?)
Make your plans according to his worst rhetoric coming true.
There's a planning assumption that may get some people off of their butts and produce results.
And if the more likely thing happens (Trump doesn't win) then you are ahead of the game in terms of catching up.
When you say it’s “your” fault, you are addressing the country of Europe, which doesn’t exist.
Yes, there is a weakness that should have been addressed in defense, that has not been.
Yet once we put aside the woulda coulda shoulda, which eventually we have to, we are left dumped back in the real world as it exists today.
Should the likes of Marjorie Taylor Greene be allowed to prevent the US from helping defend their economically largest trading block and closest of allies in terms of values and world view?
You can vote your own conscience on that, but for myself I can’t find it appropriate.
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Blimey, the Russians are pulling a lot of their military ships out of the Black Sea and sending them to the Caspian Sea for safety. That is seriously impressive for a Country without a Navy!
Can they still launch from there, or is it out of range?
https://twitter.com/jurgen_nauditt/s...30995660771389
Can they still launch from there, or is it out of range?
https://twitter.com/jurgen_nauditt/s...30995660771389
With the Azeri's having a rowing team, that will make the Russian Navy the second greatest navy in the Caspian.
I'm thinking that I wasted 10 years of my youth chasing Soviet boomers for no good reason.
The emperor has no clothes.
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More on the Russian Navy “surface” fleet.
but.. to counter that.
but.. to counter that.
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Russia’s losses in mechanised equipment over six months in attempting to take one small village! Staggering figures.
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Overnight, Ukrainian 🇺🇦 Kamikaze Drones hit several targets in Russia
1. 750kv substation in Bryansk
2. Oil depot in Kardymovo, Smolensk
3. A Substation in Kaluga Oblast
4. A Substation in Volkovo, Kursk
Earlier tonight, Ukrainian drones successfully hit the Russian Novo Bryanskaya 750kv substation in Vygonichi, Bryansk Oblast.
The substation is currently ablaze.
1. 750kv substation in Bryansk
2. Oil depot in Kardymovo, Smolensk
3. A Substation in Kaluga Oblast
4. A Substation in Volkovo, Kursk
Earlier tonight, Ukrainian drones successfully hit the Russian Novo Bryanskaya 750kv substation in Vygonichi, Bryansk Oblast.
The substation is currently ablaze.