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Old 17th Mar 2024, 18:39
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With the previous conscription and losses that will wipe out the native Ukrainian population of the region, doubtless replaced by offering their land and property to Russian carpet baggers…

After the fake "elections", the russians plan to mobilize up to 300,000 citizens of Ukraine in the temporarily occupied territories, — State Border Service

To confirm the plans of the Russians, the DPSU published a corresponding document handed over by one of the Ukrainian special services.



Note implementation and completion dates:
25 March, 2024 and 01 June, 2024.









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Originally Posted by ANOpax
Wow. Clearly a bunch of you lack an enquiring mind (which is a little worrying on a pilot's forum).

The simple explanation for the presence of a fixed u/c is that the drones are multi-role and not purely designed for kamikaze missions.
Absolutely, this. If you have something that will do the job, why spend time and resources developing something else. Ideal? No. Effective? Yes. Let not the perfect defeat the good.
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Originally Posted by sealo0
Taking out the cracking columns is inconvenient but the resulting fire must have a bigger impact

No fracking towers irreplacable, these items have multi year lead times with limited amount of a manufactures certified to produce them and afik none in russia. They might be able to get some replacements from china but imagine the west would be closely watching for any and would come down like a hammer on china.
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Looks like the Mi-8 helicopter hit by a drone in Transnistria has not moved since at least 2003. It was in a non-operational state and couldn't fly even if it wanted to.
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300,000 mobilised Ukraines from the occupied territories, I guess there is no-one left from the DPR and LPR, how did they go complaining about Russian and Wagner soldiers raping their wives and daughters. 300,000 really, that should work out well for Russia. lol
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Originally Posted by ORAC



After the fake "elections", the russians plan to mobilize up to 300,000 citizens of Ukraine in the temporarily occupied territories, — State Border Service

To confirm the plans of the Russians, the DPSU published a corresponding document handed over by one of the Ukrainian special services.

Note implementation and completion dates:
25 March, 2024 and 01 June, 2024.
I am confused...

There is no specific mention of LPR/DPR in the provided document, signed by Shoigu on 6 Mar 2024.
Harking back to a generic Russian Federation partial mobilisation decree from Sep 2022.
This latest one specifying the requirement for 300,000 citizens to be mobilised for "military service" arising from the partial mobilisation framework directive.
There may be a (slight) ambiguity arising from an interpretation of "in conjunction with representatives of organs of local (self)administration"... but that could equally apply to Novosibirsk or Vladivostok regions, surely??

Noting that the word "...upravleniya" used means more "management/administration" rather than "government" per se.
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Originally Posted by meleagertoo
I find that a curiously naiive statement, as are the oft-heard claims that a hit on a cracking tower has "destroyed" a refinery. While it may be pleasant to wallow in congratulatory dreamland over small UKR victories it is necessary to put these events into some sort of perspective. A large oil refinery may have up to 70 - yes - seventy - cracking columns, a smaller one perhaps 30 according to a brief internet search. So whacking one or two will be no more than a brief inconvenience, and anyone who imagines Ruzzia "doesn't have the capacity" to build enough towers to equip one single small refinery is, imho, living in dreamland. They're only big steel tubes with a bit of plumbig attached after all. Long lead-timeto replace maybe, but even so. There's nothing very technical about them and the loss of two or three out of 30 is hardly going to make a vast difference to output. OK, that just cuts 10% (ie decimates) the output of a small refinery, and half that of a large one. Big deal unless you can keep hitting them all every week for six months or more.
What I was trying to get across was they are a single permanent target, unlike a myriad or roads and rail that can go in multiple branches and directions but still reach the same delivery point, hitting the towers will cause disruption from the fires, and rebuilding work, also multiple hits can stall that reconstruction. I also believe they are a lot more difficult to source than you believe.

They have stated the production is down 17% overall and there are fuel shortages.
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Originally Posted by DogTailRed2
so why not a cheaper drone without the u/c for kamikazi?
Probable the drag is negligent, you do not need any special launching equipment and any straight section of road or flat ground will suffice. A retract system would add weight, hence cost and complexity while reducing fuel / payload. Also they get used for other tasks too.
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Ukrainian Blackhawks in use.

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More problems for Russia as he will need manpower and armour to do this, all effecting his engagements in Ukraine. So I take it he his talking building this in Ukraine?

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Crikey, that’s the mother of all refinery fires.

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That’s telling them

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How Russia is burning through their wealth to support the war.

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How Does Russia Make Missiles?

Manufacturing base of the Russian military industry as the key chokepoint of the war production

https://x.com/threadreaderapp/status...HhlFHGKbTPQr_A

https://www.rhodus.com/

https://assets-global.website-files....20missiles.pdf
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Originally Posted by DogTailRed2
so why not a cheaper drone without the u/c for kamikazi?
Which complicates production and introduces the chance of having "the wrong type of drone" when needed. Then there's the requirement to have a launch apparatus when you are already standing on a strip of flat ground.

The cost of the wheels is about as much as a cappuccino.
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Dont know whether this is picked up by international press. Some Leaks appeared upon why German Chancellor Scholz is resistant to deliver Taurus Systems to Ukraine. There seems to be a real show stopper. Since it is public now, I dare to distribute it in open forum.

Unfortunately in German language, please use the translator of your choice for details.
https://www.t-online.de/nachrichten/...e-ukraine.html

Pickup in Euromaidan (english language)
https://euromaidanpress.com/2024/03/...us-to-ukraine/


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NATO soldiers are already in Ukraine for arms control, intelligence operations and training - Spanish newspaper El Pais….


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Originally Posted by 51bravo
Dont know whether this is picked up by international press. Some Leaks appeared upon why German Chancellor Scholz is resistant to deliver Taurus Systems to Ukraine. There seems to be a real show stopper. Since it is public now, I dare to distribute it in open forum.

Unfortunately in German language, please use the translator of your choice for details.
https://www.t-online.de/nachrichten/...e-ukraine.html

Pickup in Euromaidan (english language)
https://euromaidanpress.com/2024/03/...us-to-ukraine/

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It’s TERCOM data held by multiple NSTO nations processed in computers dating back to the Pentium. There are equivalent systems installed in subs carrying tomahawk as well as in ships and containerised for air carriage and in the back of vehicles.

If Germany only has one static site it’s a damning statement on the state of the Germany armed forces, not the complexity and difficulty in supporting Taurus.
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