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Damn those Russian cigarette smoking rabbits and their burrowing.
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And Russian tin worms are playing havoc in the Leningrad region.
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Report from the ISW detailing all the bewildering number of command changes just in Summer '22. It is therefore historical, but thought it might be of interest. The second catalogues changes during/after last autumn's Ukrainian counter-attack. The linked article gives a detailed commentary.
The start of Ukrainian counteroffensives in August and September of 2022 led to w
https://understandingwar.org/backgro...-april-30-2023
Gerasimov and his affiliates likely attempted to convince Putin that they co
The start of Ukrainian counteroffensives in August and September of 2022 led to w
https://understandingwar.org/backgro...-april-30-2023
Gerasimov and his affiliates likely attempted to convince Putin that they co
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Ukrainian civilian BDR, sellotape over bullet holes, I hope they were all ok
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Just as tanks were and artillery etc, sorry but the more the USA cowers to these thugs the more they get away with it, the US reply should have been straight and to the point, a single nuclear weapon used there will be an equal response on the city of our choosing. Ie call their bluff. If it’s okay for Russia to launch attacks from out of the Country then the same should go for Ukraine.
US support to Ukraine via arms, intel, logistics, training, et al will be whatever the various minds in DC decide is the best course forward. You don't get a vote.
(1) American aid is pretty darned substantial to date, (2) so far the bipartisan support for that stance remains good, (3) and the US has more than Ukraine to worry about.
Reaching a consensus on the above is very much the child of politics (which is more of a JB topic, as is your whinge).
On the practical side as it pertains to military personnel: trying to contain the war (since prevention utterly failed
) and keep it from spreading, as well as trying to gage the effects and risks of escalation without letting Agony Aunts - like yourself - influence the decision is what is needed to avoid 1914 all over again.(Well, that's one line of thinking at Foggy Bottom, there are others). The time to stop this war was during the prevention stage: lots of blame to go around there in a lot of capitals.Another practical consideration: the US gets to benefit from some field testing and validation of various weapons systems (and some TTP), without having to throw in a lot of boots on the ground.
That appeals to a variety of Americans whether you like it or not.
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For Video Mixdown: you may be right about turning points. (I have a weird analogy going on in my head, where Mariupol looks to be St Vith to Bakhmut's Bastogne, but that's probably a reach)
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Sorry LW, I meant to put NATO not the US, there are more than one nuclear power in that organisation.
By the west / NATO failing to provide the weapons needed, longer range missiles, fighters etc containment may well fail and then you are left with the problem and costs involved with bolstering the defence of some of NATOs smaller and threatened members.
If the west had provided the weaponry as and when asked for, then the depth of Russian incursion would never have happened, something we still haven’t learnt from. As for pre invasion I was one of those saying NATO / UN ha! should have gone in as peacekeepers at the invitation of Ukraine to the disputed border.
By the west / NATO failing to provide the weapons needed, longer range missiles, fighters etc containment may well fail and then you are left with the problem and costs involved with bolstering the defence of some of NATOs smaller and threatened members.
If the west had provided the weaponry as and when asked for, then the depth of Russian incursion would never have happened, something we still haven’t learnt from. As for pre invasion I was one of those saying NATO / UN ha! should have gone in as peacekeepers at the invitation of Ukraine to the disputed border.
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List of the U.K., new purchases planned for Ukraine including long range missiles.
https://euromaidanpress.com/2023/05/...aine/?swcfpc=1
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Update on the derailed Russian train, they’re going to need another loco.
As for pre invasion I was one of those saying NATO / UN ha! should have gone in as peacekeepers at the invitation of Ukraine to the disputed border.
As to military and aviation matters, I will note that while the US has offered up a variety of kit - to include Over 1,600 Stinger anti-aircraft systems - the State Department remains a bundle of mostly useless *****, and they have been since about the time I was loitering off of the coast of Lebanon on a destroyer in the early 1980's.
United States security assistance committed to Ukraine includes:
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The hit yesterday on Pavlohrad, full view, that’s one hell of a bang 
The hit yesterday on Pavlohrad, full view, that’s one hell of a bang
https://twitter.com/revishvilig/stat...49113964175361
https://twitter.com/revishvilig/stat...49113964175361
For the Gunny's out there, that looks more like a FAE type explosion than a munitions dump going off, reminiscent of the fertiliser in Beirut, or coal dust. Doesn't look like munition store IMHO.
Lots of bang though... Glaziers will be busy as will the hospitals for the shard injuries.
Not an expert here, but 'that looks thermobaric', I thought too.
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Interesting overhead view of Ukrainians clearing trench lines using troops on the ground and grenade dropping drones, no translation.
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For the Gunny's out there, that looks more like a FAE type explosion than a munitions dump going off, reminiscent of the fertiliser in Beirut, or coal dust. Doesn't look like munition store IMHO.
Lots of bang though... Glaziers will be busy as will the hospitals for the shard injuries.
Lots of bang though... Glaziers will be busy as will the hospitals for the shard injuries.
Russia hit Pavlograd. Reportedly a chemical plant that stored old ballistic missiles + fuel which wasn't disposed of yet. In the footage secondary explosions can be seen which look like ammunition.
READ more on it
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...ity-detonating
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Pivdenmash operated initially as "plant 586" in the Soviet Union. In 1954, Soviet aviation engineer Mikhail Yangel established the autonomous design bureau designated OKB-586, from the former chief designer's division of plant 586.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PA_Pivdenmash
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PA_Pivdenmash
The Russians must be getting desperate if they are now being forced to blow up things they were probably quietly hoping to 'inherit' wholesale.