Ukraine War Thread Part 2
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Russia's latest propaganda and some of the Ukrainian replies 
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They are racking up numbers.. It wasn't that long ago they hit 200,000K
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More on the Dnipro crossing and establising a foothold.
https://twitter.com/Heroiam_Slava/st...49145070596096
Cnn on the slow offensive
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/08/08/p...ngs/index.html
https://twitter.com/Heroiam_Slava/st...49145070596096
Cnn on the slow offensive
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/08/08/p...ngs/index.html
EDIT: This report suggests that as few as 40 troops were landed which seems to me ( non-military ) very few
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...e-kherson-city
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Are you volunteering to carry a rifle on the front lines? Yeah, some folks need to be hit with a clue bat.
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It appears that Wagner may have over stayed their welcome, as Lucahsenko believed Russia would carry on picking up the tab for Wagner, this apparently is proving to not be the case, so they have started to send the majority of Wagner back to their camps in Russia.
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More on the captured phones with the Russian positions on them.
https://charter97.org/en/news/2023/8/9/559066/
Moreover, the worst thing for the invaders is that valuable information from the mobile phones of Russian intelligence officers, which they took with them since communication through walkie-talkies worked very poorly, fell into the hands of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
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Possible Grad column heading to Ukraine.
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We missed this…
The 1st batch of Abrams have been approved for shipment to Ukraine.
Though as called in previous online posts “a game changer” I severely doubt it. To little to late. More or less equal to the Leo 2/6 and Challenger.. and without air power you are missing a layer to the defensive offensive system, I might be wrong, but we will see and I will eat crow if I am wrong..
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The 1st batch of Abrams have been approved for shipment to Ukraine.
Though as called in previous online posts “a game changer” I severely doubt it. To little to late. More or less equal to the Leo 2/6 and Challenger.. and without air power you are missing a layer to the defensive offensive system, I might be wrong, but we will see and I will eat crow if I am wrong..
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What an appetising target if they stay in a line as they come into range!
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I know what you mean , but that armour will be leached slowly to the front to avoid A/ C / Missile degradation. Walk quietly but carry a big stick .would be my recondition
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I know what you mean , but that armour will be leached slowly to the front to avoid A/ C / Missile degradation. Walk quietly but carry a big stick .would be my recondition
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Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
Russian officer "Colonel Shuvalov" described on Telegram how it is encouraged to fabricate reports about destroyed Ukrainian equipment by filming strikes on different days using various weapons and equipment. This is done to please the upper leadership since everyone benefits from positive reports and inflated numbers. It's a long post but worth reading (source: t.me/shouvalov/33)
"When civilians are surprised by Lancets and Krasnopols attacking enemy decoys, that’s normal. But when people who at least served conscript service are surprised by it (and even more so they ridicule it), then you should also be surprised.
The Soviet system of military service (which we have morally preserved) is very simple. The primary desire for a military man is to make something go boom, let's be honest. The more modern and powerful the available weapons are, the greater the internal need to boom them. The category "expensive" in military psychology is not applicable if it is not coming from your salary.
The second point are the reports. You can know for sure that you are hitting a decoy, and not the enemy’s vehicle, you can suspect this, but if the decoy as a whole is not bad and suits you for a report, then you hit it and report about success to the top.
Any Soviet officer (whom many people f*p on today) would have done just that. Because the army is simple. Because your report about the hit target (especially a “fat” one) is a joy for you, and for the authorities, and for the authorities of the authorities.
But if you give an “All Clear” and write a dull report that "the detected target turned out to be false and it seemed inappropriate to hit it because of the need to save precision-guided ammunition," then you will become an a*shole for both the authorities and fellow officers. And for all of them, you will be “not really military.”
How is this problem solved by the enemy? Their "Western specialists" got control over the targets. They did not try to break the established psychotype of the Soviet officer school (Ukrainian officers, especially the older ones, remained Soviet in their psychotype, there’s nowhere for anything else to come from), they simply took control, removing the motivation to create false reports. A kind of substitution of the military classics for a business approach.
But we're not only hitting wooden models. Now I’ll say a vile and unpopular thing, but let at least one active officer point that out if I’m lying: before, and after the appearance of Western military equipment - in general, a very popular way to give a good result upwards is to beautifully fire at the enemy’s already destroyed equipment.
Bradley, that was ATGMed yesterday, today can be beautifully fired at from helicopters, and tomorrow you can hit it from self-propelled guns. With video recording, reports, and all the right angles. So this becomes not one, but three wrecked Bradleys. Since the political leadership is demanding a specific report, the General Staff will demand such a report too.
And the military will solve it the way they know how - in a military way. I won't list specific examples, but everyone in the army knows perfectly well what I'm talking about. This is not exotic, this is already a mass practice.
Exotic is to make an order for a service of designing pictures a video of an objective control of a battle. You give an acquaintance a video and a photo of a wrecked MTLB, you give him a task, and he returns high-quality pictures to you, where instead of an MTLB there is a tank or self-propelled guns, next to which there are several wrecked infantry fighting vehicles.
But in the army itself, no one will ever try and fight this, and it is stupid to scold the General Staff or the minister. Some external solution is needed. Something similar to how the targets of the Ukrainians are controlled by Western instructors.
Because for the military, everything that I mentioned above is, as it were, not a crime, and not even a “Zalyot” [i.e. blunder]. “Zalyot” is when you were caught doing this, but caught in such a way that you could not get yourself out. Passing out the John Deere harvesters as Leopards was, of course, an oversight, but even then they got away. Although this should be punished three times, primarily those who were stupid enough to create this setup and get caught.
And the rest ... The political leadership has its own universe, from which it gives orders and instructions to the military leadership. The military leadership already has its own universe, very different. And it gives instructions down and reports up, based on its vision of the situation. At the bottom - there is generally a harsh reality, but its adjusted for military perception. The necessary reports are required from you in the universe of military leadership, and if reality does not correspond to it, these are problems of reality. You're an officer, you can do it."
"When civilians are surprised by Lancets and Krasnopols attacking enemy decoys, that’s normal. But when people who at least served conscript service are surprised by it (and even more so they ridicule it), then you should also be surprised.
The Soviet system of military service (which we have morally preserved) is very simple. The primary desire for a military man is to make something go boom, let's be honest. The more modern and powerful the available weapons are, the greater the internal need to boom them. The category "expensive" in military psychology is not applicable if it is not coming from your salary.
The second point are the reports. You can know for sure that you are hitting a decoy, and not the enemy’s vehicle, you can suspect this, but if the decoy as a whole is not bad and suits you for a report, then you hit it and report about success to the top.
Any Soviet officer (whom many people f*p on today) would have done just that. Because the army is simple. Because your report about the hit target (especially a “fat” one) is a joy for you, and for the authorities, and for the authorities of the authorities.
But if you give an “All Clear” and write a dull report that "the detected target turned out to be false and it seemed inappropriate to hit it because of the need to save precision-guided ammunition," then you will become an a*shole for both the authorities and fellow officers. And for all of them, you will be “not really military.”
How is this problem solved by the enemy? Their "Western specialists" got control over the targets. They did not try to break the established psychotype of the Soviet officer school (Ukrainian officers, especially the older ones, remained Soviet in their psychotype, there’s nowhere for anything else to come from), they simply took control, removing the motivation to create false reports. A kind of substitution of the military classics for a business approach.
But we're not only hitting wooden models. Now I’ll say a vile and unpopular thing, but let at least one active officer point that out if I’m lying: before, and after the appearance of Western military equipment - in general, a very popular way to give a good result upwards is to beautifully fire at the enemy’s already destroyed equipment.
Bradley, that was ATGMed yesterday, today can be beautifully fired at from helicopters, and tomorrow you can hit it from self-propelled guns. With video recording, reports, and all the right angles. So this becomes not one, but three wrecked Bradleys. Since the political leadership is demanding a specific report, the General Staff will demand such a report too.
And the military will solve it the way they know how - in a military way. I won't list specific examples, but everyone in the army knows perfectly well what I'm talking about. This is not exotic, this is already a mass practice.
Exotic is to make an order for a service of designing pictures a video of an objective control of a battle. You give an acquaintance a video and a photo of a wrecked MTLB, you give him a task, and he returns high-quality pictures to you, where instead of an MTLB there is a tank or self-propelled guns, next to which there are several wrecked infantry fighting vehicles.
But in the army itself, no one will ever try and fight this, and it is stupid to scold the General Staff or the minister. Some external solution is needed. Something similar to how the targets of the Ukrainians are controlled by Western instructors.
Because for the military, everything that I mentioned above is, as it were, not a crime, and not even a “Zalyot” [i.e. blunder]. “Zalyot” is when you were caught doing this, but caught in such a way that you could not get yourself out. Passing out the John Deere harvesters as Leopards was, of course, an oversight, but even then they got away. Although this should be punished three times, primarily those who were stupid enough to create this setup and get caught.
And the rest ... The political leadership has its own universe, from which it gives orders and instructions to the military leadership. The military leadership already has its own universe, very different. And it gives instructions down and reports up, based on its vision of the situation. At the bottom - there is generally a harsh reality, but its adjusted for military perception. The necessary reports are required from you in the universe of military leadership, and if reality does not correspond to it, these are problems of reality. You're an officer, you can do it."
The longer this war is going, the more we can see what the Ukrainian army is capable of and how incompetent the russkies are.
I believe, it wasn’t the russians that won the second WW.
It has been the Ukrainian Soldiers that served in the UdSSR army.
I believe, it wasn’t the russians that won the second WW.
It has been the Ukrainian Soldiers that served in the UdSSR army.
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
⚡️The Swedish company Satcube has started delivering its own satellite Internet terminals to Ukraine, which can be used in de-occupied territories where mobile and terrestrial networks do not work.
The founder and CEO of Satcube, Jakob Kallmer, told about this in an interview with the newspaper Dagens Nyheter.
Satcube says it doesn't know if its equipment will be used by the military, but doesn't deny it. "This can be anything from connecting to field hospitals to maintaining communications in the field," — says Jakob Kallmer.
https://satcube.com/news/satcube-ach...with-intelsat/
https://www.satcube.com/
The founder and CEO of Satcube, Jakob Kallmer, told about this in an interview with the newspaper Dagens Nyheter.
Satcube says it doesn't know if its equipment will be used by the military, but doesn't deny it. "This can be anything from connecting to field hospitals to maintaining communications in the field," — says Jakob Kallmer.
https://satcube.com/news/satcube-ach...with-intelsat/
https://www.satcube.com/
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It would appear Ukraine may be ramping up the drone wars. Good, give them back one hundred fold what they have had to endure for months. It looks like a Moscow Airport was hit 
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It looks a bit big for a car servicing facility?
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If I lived in Moscow, to be honest, I do not think I would be too worried about the drone attacks, the Kabab I picked up to eat on the way home might be a different matter though.
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Hey, Russia has nukes… and is prepared to use them.. use them..use them.. use them.. yawn.. use them……
