UK F-35B Lost
Originally Posted by Cat Techie
They are distractions to the wind down. Secondary considerations. I do engine runs in work and pleasure. The gauges are main. You run a gas turbine recently? Warning and Caution lights would have been coming on as he banged out!
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Originally Posted by SATCOS WHIPPING BOY
Sims don't simulate thrust.
Probably his previous 10 sorties were sat in front of giant samsung monitors.
Probably his previous 10 sorties were sat in front of giant samsung monitors.
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Originally Posted by tartare
My question is surely the pilot would have had multiple indications ("do you see it, do you hear it, do you feel it?" as instructors will say) that the jet was not developing enough power to take off?
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…Another Navy Cock up!
Originally Posted by Cat Techie
That should have been impounded as evidence so Capt QE is at fault.
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Originally Posted by FODPlod
You certainly seem to have an agenda. How could the Captain impound a video of a video being played on a monitor somewhere?
Originally Posted by tartare
I assume the jet would have had way too much inertia to reject the take off, chop the power and apply full brakes at or near the bottom of the ramp?
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Originally Posted by tartare
I assume the jet would have had way too much inertia to reject the take off, chop the power and apply full brakes at or near the bottom of the ramp?
Reason I ask is that it is decelerating as it goes up the ramp (whether due to a loss of speed due to the incline, or braking/reduced power).
And the noise doesn't decrease or change in pitch which suggests the throttle wasn't suddenly closed.
Could be a multiplicity of factors in play.
Although they're heavily trained not to - pilot startles and doesn't react quickly enough to insufficient power?
*If* it's an ingested blank, it moves suddenly during take off roll and degrades thrust?
Will be a very interesting accident report.
Not blaming the driver - just trying to understand the possibilities.
And the noise doesn't decrease or change in pitch which suggests the throttle wasn't suddenly closed.
Could be a multiplicity of factors in play.
Although they're heavily trained not to - pilot startles and doesn't react quickly enough to insufficient power?
*If* it's an ingested blank, it moves suddenly during take off roll and degrades thrust?
Will be a very interesting accident report.
Not blaming the driver - just trying to understand the possibilities.
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In the first part of this compilation video the A4G pilot is standing on the brakes hoping to stop with FLYCO calling 'EJECT' which he does at the end to be rescued OK. Similarly we hear the pilot in the second video explaining what has happened so he is rescued OK with no ejection. It was calculated that IF he had ejected as the aircraft was DIVING down then he would not have survived. First cold cat (last catapult of an A4G) caused by cat crew in a hurry not carrying out all check procedures. Second cold cat cause never discovered with many replication attempts (not with an aircraft attached of course).
RAN Skyhawk A4Gs 885 & 889 Cold Catapult Ejections - 2nd 'not quite' - Both Pilots OK - Compilation
RAN Skyhawk A4Gs 885 & 889 Cold Catapult Ejections - 2nd 'not quite' - Both Pilots OK - Compilation
Originally Posted by SpazSinbad
In the first part of this compilation video the A4G pilot is standing on the brakes hoping to stop with FLYCO calling 'EJECT' which he does at the end to be rescued OK. Similarly we hear the pilot in the second video explaining what has happened so he is rescued OK with no ejection. It was calculated that IF he had ejected as the aircraft was DIVING down then he would not have survived. First cold cat (last catapult of an A4G) caused by cat crew in a hurry not carrying out all check procedures. Second cold cat cause never discovered with many replication attempts (not with an aircraft attached of course).
RAN Skyhawk A4Gs 885 & 889 Cold Catapult Ejections - 2nd 'not quite' - Both Pilots OK - Compilation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4pBkzGdmYE
RAN Skyhawk A4Gs 885 & 889 Cold Catapult Ejections - 2nd 'not quite' - Both Pilots OK - Compilation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4pBkzGdmYE
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It seems to me from the video that the aircraft is initially accelerating, but just after entering the ramp it starts to slow, possibly with brakes applied, but too late to stop.
Bu**er the £100M. The pilot is safe. And well done Martin-Baker who, 3 years ago in court, were accused by MoD and the HSE of not understanding how their designs work. This incident made it 7662 aircrew and families who disagree.
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The Harrier required a takeoff distance calculation - brakes off to ramp, to accommodate differing mass.
Does the F-35 require a similar calculation; if so, is the distance to the start of ramp or top of ramp (cf Harrier incident with miscalculated distance).
Does the F-35 require a similar calculation; if so, is the distance to the start of ramp or top of ramp (cf Harrier incident with miscalculated distance).
Originally Posted by LateArmLive
I wonder how many of the experts commenting here have experience flying the F35...
On the face of it seems there should have been plenty of clues it was non-normal.
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Originally Posted by SATCOS WHIPPING BOY
Sims don't simulate thrust.
Probably his previous 10 sorties were sat in front of giant samsung monitors.
Probably his previous 10 sorties were sat in front of giant samsung monitors.
One thing I have noticed and this is only from the original video clip posted on Twitter. The Nozzle position seems to move from 1/2 down at the start, to fully rear on the roll, then to full down as it goes up the ramp. Is this normal for it to change positions on a take off roll, or is this potentially due to the loss of thrust?
Originally Posted by tucumseh
Bu**er the £100M. The pilot is safe. And well done Martin-Baker who, 3 years ago in court, were accused by MoD and the HSE of not understanding how their designs work. This incident made it 7662 aircrew and families who disagree.
Ditto: MB did their stuff - c10secs from rockets to splash with full canopy deployed.
