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Now at long last, we in New Zealand hopefully have a government, that will support & invest in the military. Also we need to join up with AKUS as soon as possible, rather than burying our heads in the sand, as we did under the previous administration.
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Sound is ok, no need for a transcript.
Panelists: • Mr. Ted Colbert, President and CEO, Boeing Defense, Space, and Security • Rep. Seth Moulton, U.S. House of Representatives, Massachusetts • Mr. Matthew Pottinger, Former U.S. Principal Deputy National Security Advisor • Amb. Kevin Rudd, Ambassador of Australia to the United States; Former Prime Minister of Australia • Rep. Rob Wittman, U.S. House of Representatives, Virginia

Cyber Insights with Army Gen. Paul Nakasone and Army Gen. Laura J. Richardson
Defense.gov | Pentagon Press Secretary Drops Major AnnouncementArmy Gen. Paul Nakasone, who serves as commander of U.S. Cyber Command, director of the National Security Agency and chief of the Central Security Service, and Army Gen. Laura J. Richardson, commander of U.S. Southern Command, participate in a panel discussion at the Reagan Nation Defense Forum. The panel will discuss protecting our hemisphere and homeland in the cyber age.

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Old 3rd Dec 2023, 08:10
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"Also we need to join up with AKUS as soon as possible, rather than burying our heads in the sand,"

the NZ govt takes in around NZ 134 Bn a year = US$ 80Bn approx - I don' think that's enough to buy and operate an SSN - the Australians are looking at around $5-6 Bn a year



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Originally Posted by Asturias56
the NZ govt takes in around NZ 134 Bn a year = US$ 80Bn approx - I don' think that's enough to buy and operate an SSN - the Australians are looking at around $5-6 Bn a year
The submarines grab the headlines, but AUKUS is about much more than just them. If NZ really wants in it should be welcomed for the contribution it can make.
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Now at long last, we in New Zealand hopefully have a government, that will support & invest in the military. Also we need to join up with AKUS as soon as possible, rather than burying our heads in the sand, as we did under the previous administration.
Further to what video mixdown said. It won't be a Pillar I nuke sub. Pillar II is actually a larger program and is talked about. They may split it up and allow others to join subsections.
https://breakingdefense.com/2023/10/...ives-to-power/
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thinking about it the RNZN could have some of their crews on the Aussie and UK boats operating in the area. That would help both the other navies with crewing issues (which they both have ) and also maybe spark more interest in recruitment & retention for the NZ navy - beats sitting on a small patrol boat
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Further to what video mixdown said. It won't be a Pillar I nuke sub. Pillar II is actually a larger program and is talked about. They may split it up and allow others to join subsections.
https://breakingdefense.com/2023/10/...ives-to-power/

Correct pillar 1 is the SSN, pillar 2 is a variety of smaller programs. Like the one they announced a few days ago. Space based radars, seem to be intitally for replacement of E-8 Jstars but with E-3/E-7 awacs eventually. Believe HACM (Hypersonic airbreathing cruise missile)

Pillar 2. Cyber warfare, hypersonics, AI, Qantum and undersea warfare are all generic terms but slowly being fleshed
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none of those look very cheap......................
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Old 3rd Dec 2023, 11:55
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Originally Posted by Asturias56
thinking about it the RNZN could have some of their crews on the Aussie and UK boats operating in the area. That would help both the other navies with crewing issues (which they both have ) and also maybe spark more interest in recruitment & retention for the NZ navy - beats sitting on a small patrol boat
If you are talking surface ships possibly. We already lead a substantial part of the army due to a plan anzac, could see that being expanded to the other services

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none of those look very cheap......................
Some are a lot of money but others are skill based. Cyber warfare and defence is a more skill based system. Kiwis can do a lot with a bit. Rocket Labs is a prime example, small orbital rocket, which AUS has never done
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If you think preemptive defence is expensive what till you see what having to fight a war costs.
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Elsewhere golder has posted about using AI with UK, US & Australian P-8As and other surveillance systems to track hostile submarines. Id have thought the NZ P-8As would fit right in.
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Rocket Labs is a prime example, small orbital rocket, which AUS has never done
29 Nov 1967; Australia launched WRESAT and became 7th nation in space.

Although its all been pretty much backwards since then.
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Originally Posted by kaikohe76
Now at long last, we in New Zealand hopefully have a government, that will support & invest in the military.
Also we need to join up with AKUS as soon as possible, rather than burying our heads in the sand, as we did under the previous administration.
It would be nice, but I'm not holding my breath.
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none of those look very cheap......................
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Old 4th Dec 2023, 16:28
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I'm beginning to think Augustine was optimistic when he had the US down to one fighter aircraft by 2054
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https://www.defenceconnect.com.au/naval/13276-christmas-gift-us-congress-green-lights-submarine-sale-to-australia

An early Christmas gift by the US Congress, as members voted to allow the sale of three Viriginia Class submarines to Australia in the 2030s.

The agreement, added to the US Congress’s National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2024, would allow transfer of the nuclear-powered conventionally armed submarines to Australia after the bill is enacted.

Deputy PM and Minister for Defence Marles reportedly welcomed the news of the AUKUS breakthrough after months of glacial-speed progress in the US.
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Old 11th Dec 2023, 23:38
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Been confirmed that SSN-AUKUS will have AN/BYG-1 combat systems and in the previous announcement that RN/RAN will both have same combat systems. Mean the RN will be moving away from the BAE CCS, so leaves the question, is dreadnought getting the BAE or AN/BYG-1
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I suspect that the Dreadnought design is too advanced to change the combat system which is a shame as the RN will be supporting two different systems for quite some time. If its not too late to fit the AN/BYG-1 to the Dreadnought class, there may be an additional capability available to them as the Ohio SSGNs use the system to launch large numbers of Tomahawk missiles from the tubes previously housing ballistic missiles - it would potentially add a multi role capability to the RN CASD boats. This would obviously only be considered at a time when the strategic threat was low.

It appears that the agreement involves the upgraded AN/BYG-1 system having the British weapons integrated so that the RN can continue to use their preferred weapons. Having 3 countries using the same system will assist with keeping the development & training costs down.

The passing of the US legislation is a very significant step in this process and it appears to have a lot of bipartisan support.

https://www.news.com.au/technology/i...9edbbec8b212f7
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I suspect that the Dreadnought design is too advanced to change the combat system which is a shame as the RN will be supporting two different systems for quite some time. If it’s not too late to fit the AN/BYG-1 to the Dreadnought class,
They will be regardless of the a dreadnought due to astute. But its not confirmed or denied about which combat system it uses. I think it will get the american system, dont think its going to be that big of an issue to change it. But ultimately time will tell.

Also note the 2024 defence aquisitions bill has passed both houses. Including the bit about AUKUS, now permits sale of up to 3 Virginia SSN's to Australia

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Old 15th Dec 2023, 09:10
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Having set a precedent on Sales Authority it occurred to me that should the pips squeak on a future UK budget the RN could now buy American SSN's.................... shades of the F-111 perhaps..............
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Having set a precedent on Sales Authority it occurred to me that should the pips squeak on a future UK budget the RN could now buy American SSN's.................... shades of the F-111 perhaps..............
Only in your imagination.
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