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Old 12th Mar 2024, 20:51
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It's the way US procurement works. They cry doom and gloom to congress to get money. Lobbyists and direct political donations, get the money. In this case to refit their yards. They have said they can normally do 2 a year. With covid and lifetime parts that failed and no spares. They took them from current builds. This also slowed things up to the 1.5 a year. So the real base is 2 a year, but they have previously said they can do 3, if they get the money.
2025 budget has only 1 virginia also mention 12 month delay in delivery of Columbia
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Always think of a circus act. Then you have unfunded procurement, added on by congress. Often, it's more F-35 and a maybe sub added this year. I can't see them slowing down, one of the 2 lines. I haven't heard of a bottleneck, stopping 2 subs. I would have to google, but I recall them adding subs before. The bigger question is, will they allow the retirement of A-10?
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Always think of a circus act. Then you have unfunded procurement, added on by congress. Often, it's more F-35 and a maybe sub added this year. I can't see them closing, one of the 2 lines. I haven't heard of a bottleneck, stopping 2 subs. I would have to google, but I recall them adding subs before. The bigger question is, will they allow the retirement of A-10?
Will Australia be the next ally to be thrown under the bus by Trump?
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If it's a circus now? Trump as the ringmaster, will set the tent on fire. After NATO, it could be Australia. Could enough Americans be so deluded, as to vote him into power?
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USNI has an article on subs, it may stand as 1 this year. We will see, as in time, all will be revealed. It may be the cry for the more infrastructure money.
Navy Will Ask for 1 Virginia-Class Sub in FY 25 Shipbuilding Budget, Increase Amphib Production - USNI News
Critics of cutting the submarine budget say that buying fewer than two per year will send a dangerous signal to U.S. allies about Washington’s lack of commitment to the AUKUS plan. Last month, a bipartisan group of lawmakers sent a letter to the Biden administration outlining this argument.

“Simply put, now is not the time to insert instability in the supply chain with uncertainty in procurement rates,” House Armed Services Committee lawmakers wrote in the letter, dated Jan. 17 and reported by USNI News.
“The FY2025 budget will come at a pivotal time for the Virginia-class submarine program and sustaining our unmatched edge in the undersea domain. Any deviation from the planned cadence of the construction and procurement of two submarines per year will reverberate both at home and abroad, with allies and competitors alike.”

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Old 12th Mar 2024, 23:09
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-03-...sary/103578408

Pentagon sparks fresh AUKUS doubts on anniversary of Australia's nuclear-powered submarine plans
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Remember it's a circus. This is the important part of the FUD article.

"However, this week's Pentagon budget proposal requests Congress to appropriate a further $US4 billion for the US submarine industrial base in 2025, and $US11.1 billion over five years, for a "historic" investment to expand production."

The primes want 15 billion, plus what Australia will throw in the pot.

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Old 13th Mar 2024, 08:11
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"Democratic congressman Joe Courtney,"

that would be the man who represents the
Second Congressional District of Connecticut which is right next door to the main builders of submarines in the USA ?
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Seems SSN-AUKUS will be the lead design…..

https://www.defensenews.com/naval/20...o-early-2040s/

Navy delays next-generation submarine start to early 2040s

The U.S. Navy is pushing back the start of construction on its next-generation attack submarine by nearly a decade, citing tight budgets and a need to fund current and near-term operations.

A Navy spokesperson told Defense News construction on the lead ship of the SSN(X) program, which will follow the Virginia-class attack submarine, is now planned to start in the “early 2040s.” The Navy last year planned to begin the ship class in 2035, and it was previously set for a 2031 start…..

The Navy is asking for $586.9 million for SSN(X) design and development efforts in FY25, up slightly from the $544.7 million it requested in FY24….
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Seems SSN-AUKUS will be the lead design…..

https://www.defensenews.com/naval/20...o-early-2040s/

Navy delays next-generation submarine start to early 2040s

The U.S. Navy is pushing back the start of construction on its next-generation attack submarine by nearly a decade, citing tight budgets and a need to fund current and near-term operations.

A Navy spokesperson told Defense News construction on the lead ship of the SSN(X) program, which will follow the Virginia-class attack submarine, is now planned to start in the “early 2040s.” The Navy last year planned to begin the ship class in 2035, and it was previously set for a 2031 start…..

The Navy is asking for $586.9 million for SSN(X) design and development efforts in FY25, up slightly from the $544.7 million it requested in FY24….
French offer still available....
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French offer still available....
Are you suggesting A-FUKUS????
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Old 15th Mar 2024, 14:23
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Impressive - also note the RN and RAN Ensigns on display - a gentle reminder of AUKUS importance.

Virginia Block III-class fast-attack submarine USS Indiana (SSN-789) surfaced in Beaufort Sea, Arctic Circle, near Ice Camp Whale during Operation Ice Camp 2024 on March 13, 2024. Photos & info via @ryankakiuchan






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Anyway, Netherlands just decided today to buy four Barracuda submarines from French Naval Group.

Smaller contrat than the deceased one with Australia, but more serious customers - and they know how to go to war.

Kom op vrienden !
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but more serious customers - and they know how to go to war.

There's nothing like waving a national flag. Do you feel better now?


Canada’s Strategic Role in AUKUS Pillar 2: Security, Stability, and Deterrence in the Indo-Pacific • Stimson Center

Canada’s Strategic Role in AUKUS Pillar 2: Security, Stability, and Deterrence in the Indo-Pacific


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Old 16th Mar 2024, 12:04
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- and they know how to go to war.
Cool. Then you don't need us to help the next time Europe goes Postal on each other!
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https://www.skynews.com.au/australia...3a547e6245cafe

Albanese government removes ASIO and ASIS heads from National Security Committee of Cabinet
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Albanese government removes ASIO and ASIS heads from National Security Committee of Cabinet

Blimey, that sounds sinister. Perhaps these two have been increasingly strident about the threat China poses.
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https://www.skynews.com.au/australia...3a547e6245cafe

Albanese government removes ASIO and ASIS heads from National Security Committee of Cabinet
They probably have been telling Albanese things he doesn't want to hear.
They probably said it wasn't a good idea for Albo to glad hand and almost hug Xi at meeting a couple of days after Chinese Navy turned active sonar on RAN divers in water trying to clear a fouled propeller on our frigate, causing significant injury.
Xi must have been laughing at the fawning weak Australian.
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Murdoch press hit piece. What a nothing story. They aren't elected and can't be a committee member. They are brought in as advisors and will continue to do so with the current and next govt. Liberal or Labor

National Security Committee (Australia) - Wikipedia
The National Security Committee (NSC), also known as the National Security Committee of Cabinet,[1] is the peak decision-making body for national security and major foreign policy matters in the Australian Government. It is a committee of the Cabinet of Australia, though decisions of the NSC do not require the endorsement of the Cabinet itself

Other attendees[edit]

As the peak decision-making body on national security, the NSC is also attended and advised by the Secretaries for each respective public service department represented by a Minister on the NSC. As such, NSC attendance also includes the Department of the Prime Minister and Cabinet, the Department of Defence, the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade, the Department of the Treasury, and the Department of Home Affairs.[16]

The Chief of the Defence Force and other senior ADF officers also attend if requested or required by the NSC.[16]

Other government ministers, such as the Minister for Trade, Tourism and Investment, are invited to attend meetings as required. The Leader of the Opposition is also sometimes invited to attend for important briefings.[23]

As mentioned above, the NSC met numerous times during the 2020 coronavirus pandemic with attendance by the Minister for Health and the Chief Medical Officer.[24]

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Then you don't need us to help the next time Europe goes Postal on each other!
They won't let you into the country Buster, last time there EU members could walk straight through immigration, we had to go through the "foreigners" door. Must admit it left a bit of a taste in the mouth, being ex miliary, and remembering the blood our guys spilt on their behalf in two world wars. The world and time moves on.
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They won't let you into the country Buster, last time there EU members could walk straight through immigration, we had to go through the "foreigners" door. Must admit it left a bit of a taste in the mouth, being ex miliary, and remembering the blood our guys spilt on their behalf in two world wars. The world and time moves on.
I'm ex-military too (UK), and most of my operational time since 2001 has been in support of US wars - Iraq (twice), Afghanistan (lost count), Syria... plus others outside of Europe where the US has taken a back seat. May I remind you that the only time Article 5 was invoked to date was after 11th September 2001?

Do I begrudge that? No, but I do sometimes question the "two-way" bit of alliances.

And guess what, I have to go throught the "foreigners" door and get my passport stamped too.
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