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Rex Patrick, a former Senator (South Australia) and former submariner, is not keen on getting 2 second hand Virginias:
February 2011 is a time many in the Royal Australian Navy (RAN) would certainly prefer to forget. Within the month, the Defence Minister Stephen Smith had announced a number of trouble-plagued military landing craft would be disposed of and a review would be conducted into Support Ship Repair and Management Practices. Four months later Chief of Navy, Vice Admiral Russ Crane, was gone.
On February 3, 2011, the biggest storm to have ever hit Queensland crossed the Australian coastline and carved a swath of destruction across the state. The storm displaced 10,000 people and caused $3.5 billion in damage. And the Navy was unable to respond with any amphibious ships to help Queenslanders.
On September 26, 2010, the Defence Minister had been advised that two former US Navy ships, HMAS Manoora and HMAS Kanimbla, were in what was described as an ‘operational pause’. By December the decision was made that Manoora would be decommissioned, although that news never made it to the Minister until January 28, 2011, when a tropical depression was forming off Queensland. The Minister was also advised that Kanimbla was to be unavailable to the RAN for 18 months.
That left HMAS Tobruk, a 30 year old ship, as the standby ship. On February 28, the Navy advised the Minister it was on 48 hours’ notice to go to sea. By February 2, with Yasi now a category 5 cyclone, Tobruk entered dock for emergence repairs. It left the dock two days later but was unfit to sail for any of the Yasi response.
The Navy had failed Australians."...
AUKUS Fissile or Fizzer?
"Former submariner Rex Patrick looks under the hood of the second-hand Virginia-class nuclear submarines to see what Australia has bought. Even AUKUS fans might not like what they see.February 2011 is a time many in the Royal Australian Navy (RAN) would certainly prefer to forget. Within the month, the Defence Minister Stephen Smith had announced a number of trouble-plagued military landing craft would be disposed of and a review would be conducted into Support Ship Repair and Management Practices. Four months later Chief of Navy, Vice Admiral Russ Crane, was gone.
On February 3, 2011, the biggest storm to have ever hit Queensland crossed the Australian coastline and carved a swath of destruction across the state. The storm displaced 10,000 people and caused $3.5 billion in damage. And the Navy was unable to respond with any amphibious ships to help Queenslanders.
On September 26, 2010, the Defence Minister had been advised that two former US Navy ships, HMAS Manoora and HMAS Kanimbla, were in what was described as an ‘operational pause’. By December the decision was made that Manoora would be decommissioned, although that news never made it to the Minister until January 28, 2011, when a tropical depression was forming off Queensland. The Minister was also advised that Kanimbla was to be unavailable to the RAN for 18 months.
That left HMAS Tobruk, a 30 year old ship, as the standby ship. On February 28, the Navy advised the Minister it was on 48 hours’ notice to go to sea. By February 2, with Yasi now a category 5 cyclone, Tobruk entered dock for emergence repairs. It left the dock two days later but was unfit to sail for any of the Yasi response.
The Navy had failed Australians."...
https://www.aph.gov.au/News_and_Even.../video/1220083
above statement made, starting time stamp 11:18
above statement made, starting time stamp 11:18
AUKUS Fissile or Fizzer?
His unclassified opinion on his blog. Is of the same value as ours. Things have changed, since he served as a sparky on the Oberons. With a 20 year life remaining. They have to be build 2020 or later. Which puts them at block 4.Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
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I saw image this morning but, honestly, it left me dubious and i did not share. But it reportedly does originate from a BAE Systems PowerPoint used in a talk which involved Robert May, Engineering Manager Type 26, and Neil Griffiths, Technical Authority Future Projects, so...
It seems still very notional, to point of looking "fishy". Hull used in the graphic seems literally like old Type 45 drawings have been modded, to me. Weapon system at base of mast is almost certainly laser to be tested later this year on Type 45/notional operational derivative .
Yep, it's in the BAE PowerPoint. Doesn't add anything and doesn't mean the concept image is in any way "mature", but still: duly noted! First ever Type 83 image to be shared, as far as i know.
https://www.defenceconnect.com.au/ma...troyer-concept
I spy with my little eye: BAE presentation reveals interesting next-gen Destroyer concept
It seems still very notional, to point of looking "fishy". Hull used in the graphic seems literally like old Type 45 drawings have been modded, to me. Weapon system at base of mast is almost certainly laser to be tested later this year on Type 45/notional operational derivative .
Yep, it's in the BAE PowerPoint. Doesn't add anything and doesn't mean the concept image is in any way "mature", but still: duly noted! First ever Type 83 image to be shared, as far as i know.
https://www.defenceconnect.com.au/ma...troyer-concept
I spy with my little eye: BAE presentation reveals interesting next-gen Destroyer concept
I got the impression from the article that it’s based on a Type 26/Hunter hull & drivetrain. With all the design work for integration of the CEAFAR radars, 9LV & AEGIS combat systems already nearing completion , it reduces the design work required to develop an Air Warfare Destroyer version with a large number of VLS cells.
It looks like a serious BAES proposal to counter the Navantia offer to build 3 more Hobart class AWD’s for the RAN. I suspect that if it gains legs and is approved, 3 ASW Hunters (Batch 1) will be built and then the remaining 6 will alternate between AWD & ASW versions. After the 9 planned hulls are completed, they would be looking at possibly more ASW versions and replacing the existing AWD’s (Hobart’s) which would result in good economies for the RAN’s logistical support as all the Tier 1 vessels would have many common components.
Whilst there’s no detailed data in the public domain, there are reports that the CEAFAR combination of L & S band AESA radars on the Anzacs are performing significantly better than the SPY-1D’s on the Hobarts so this combination of sensors and large weapon load would make a very capable destroyer. With all the joint work going on under the AUKUS umbrella, it’s quite possible that the RN takes this design as their future Type 83.
It looks like a serious BAES proposal to counter the Navantia offer to build 3 more Hobart class AWD’s for the RAN. I suspect that if it gains legs and is approved, 3 ASW Hunters (Batch 1) will be built and then the remaining 6 will alternate between AWD & ASW versions. After the 9 planned hulls are completed, they would be looking at possibly more ASW versions and replacing the existing AWD’s (Hobart’s) which would result in good economies for the RAN’s logistical support as all the Tier 1 vessels would have many common components.
Whilst there’s no detailed data in the public domain, there are reports that the CEAFAR combination of L & S band AESA radars on the Anzacs are performing significantly better than the SPY-1D’s on the Hobarts so this combination of sensors and large weapon load would make a very capable destroyer. With all the joint work going on under the AUKUS umbrella, it’s quite possible that the RN takes this design as their future Type 83.
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Accepting its sized around the Dreadnaught PWR3 reactor, and the stealth lessons learnt on the profile of the Astute requires it be similar - SSN AUKUS is going to be big with a lot of room for VLS and an extra large UUV bay…
Comment from thread: “Essentially a blended design of Virgina block V5 and Astute“.
Comment from thread: “Essentially a blended design of Virgina block V5 and Astute“.
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To meet the demand for future RN and Australian nuclear submarine reactors @RollsRoyceUK announces plans to double the size of its Raynesway facility in Derby and create 1,170 skilled jobs.
https://www.rolls-royce.com/media/ou...-in-derby.aspx
https://www.rolls-royce.com/media/ou...-in-derby.aspx
Will there be a moon pool and a talking dolphin?
This utube vid has a good walkaround of a Virginia class. The periscope is controlled with an X Box controller according to the fòotage.
https://youtu.be/Al7DqK0f8lI
https://youtu.be/Al7DqK0f8lI
Watching that the other day, interesting thing is its USS Indiana which is one of the rumored subs to be sold to Australia. Washington, Colorado, Indiania and south Dakota are allegedly the prime candidates. Delaware is maybe out because it has a unique configuration that was used for testing
That's a great graphic
As for the report theUK has a downloadable version at
https://assets.publishing.service.go...the_future.pdf
As for the report theUK has a downloadable version at
https://assets.publishing.service.go...the_future.pdf
Sweden will be supplying tech for the LOTE of the collins class
https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news...grade-program/
https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news...grade-program/
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UK MOD has signaled to Parliament that Detailed Design and Long Lead Items (D2L2) phase for SSN-AUKUS starts next month.
This phase includes early steel fabrication and will last out to 2028. October 2028 will see a new phase begin, presumably to include Boat 1 build commencing.
The MOD has produced this long and good briefing paper on SSN-AUKUS but has spectacularly failed to advertise it in any real way and i think very few have seen it. You might want to take a look.
https://www.gov.uk/government/public...for-the-future
The AUKUS nuclear powered submarine pathway: a partnership for the future
This phase includes early steel fabrication and will last out to 2028. October 2028 will see a new phase begin, presumably to include Boat 1 build commencing.
The MOD has produced this long and good briefing paper on SSN-AUKUS but has spectacularly failed to advertise it in any real way and i think very few have seen it. You might want to take a look.
https://www.gov.uk/government/public...for-the-future
The AUKUS nuclear powered submarine pathway: a partnership for the future
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They are both the same paper. Just the UK and AU release and websites. A picture of a different person on page 3, is the only difference I saw. When they say this is a partnership, I think they mean it.
Sweden will be supplying tech for the LOTE of the collins class
https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news...grade-program/
https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news...grade-program/
This was worth the time to watch.
As an aside, I haven't heard this before. This guy is saying the US offered us nuke subs in 1980. We declined. time 0.35
It seeme the Virginia class has a SEAL delivery chamber but i dont think Oz has dedicated fighting f,rogmen? So i guess you give more underwater traning to the SAS...
