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Old 16th Mar 2023, 15:14
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Originally Posted by golder
Maybe to try and take out the military equipment, in the US proxy state? That the US has forward deployed here. It's not easy for the US, running a hegemonic empire.

hell - all they need to do is stop buying Australian - the economy would be on its knees in a few months, Labour would be in and goodbye AUKUS
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Old 16th Mar 2023, 15:42
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Hansard have corrected the transcript of the Defence Minister's AUKUS Parliamentary statement to clear up confusion.
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The first Australian SSN-AUKUS will be built in South Australia, not in Barrow.

All nuclear reactors will be built / assembled in the UK.
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Old 16th Mar 2023, 20:46
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Originally Posted by Asturias56
hell - all they need to do is stop buying Australian - the economy would be on its knees in a few months, Labour would be in and goodbye AUKUS
They did try that, it didn't work. The chinese citizens froze in the dark. They stopped buying coal and guess what the australian coal was sold else where and either china had to buy poor qualitiy other coal or they got australian coal from 3rd party whit approprate markup. Now they willing to buy Australian coal again, theres very little available
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Old 16th Mar 2023, 23:26
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Originally Posted by Asturias56
Why would China hit targets in Australia - its further away than Finland. I think Rota in Spain is closer to China than Darwin.
Not sure if you're being ironic but in case not - for those not familiar with the detail, there is every likelihood that in the event of a conflict over Taiwan, the US would seek to disperse to bases in the top end of Australia.
US Air Force assets already rotate through RAAF bases here (B-52s, B-2s, B-1s, F-22s etc have all visited).
There are also 1,000+ US marines in Darwin (correct me if I'm wrong on latest numbers).
I have seen suggestions that Australia could suddenly face a request by the US to host upwards of 250,000 troops.
In addition, Pine Gap near Alice Springs would be critical in monitoring any conflict - it downlinks SIGINT and IMINT from US satellites that watch the region - and sends it back to Fort Meade and Chantilly.
Harold E Holt Naval Communications Station near Exmouth in WA is also crucial in providing very low frequency coms to US and Australian submarines.
And JORN, the Jindalee over the horizon radar network uses large transmitter, receivers at various locations in remote Australia , which can effectively watch air and sea-surface activity reportedly to Indonesia - possibly further.
I'd suggest that if China was really serious about taking Taiwan, it would either target some or all of these facilities pre-emptively with conventional strikes, or it would consider doing so as part of second, or third wave strikes.
I think it's unlikely it'd break the taboo and use nuclear weapons.
All of these mainland Australia locations are easily within range of the DF-4 and DF-31.
There is also ongoing interdiction or partial blockade of our sea lanes (how many days of petrol do we have in reserve?!) and sabotage of undersea cables to consider.
If a war looks likely in the South China sea - then Australia definitely is a potential target for discrete Chinese strikes on some or all of these facilities, not Australian urban centres, or a land invasion by Chinese ground forces as Keating alludes to.
He knows that, and is being disingenuous in implying otherwise.

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Old 17th Mar 2023, 04:35
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FMS for 200 tomahawks has been granted. These are specifically VLS versions for the hobart Air Warfare Destroyers
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Old 17th Mar 2023, 04:40
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hell - all they need to do is stop buying Australian - the economy would be on its knees in a few months, Labour would be in and goodbye AUKUS
You don't seem to know much about Australian politics especially suggesting that the Labor party would get rid of AUKUS.
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Old 17th Mar 2023, 05:36
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Originally Posted by Lookleft
You don't seem to know much about Australian politics especially suggesting that the Labor party would get rid of AUKUS.
Hes a dumbo theres no "labour" party in australia and as I said they already tried and come back begging
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Old 17th Mar 2023, 09:49
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Labour or Labor - still the same folks

They'll ditch AUKUS when the bills start rolling in

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Old 17th Mar 2023, 10:26
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Originally Posted by Asturias56
Labour or Labor - still the same folks

They'll ditch AUKUS when the bills start rolling in

All I can say is lucky the adults are back in power, LNP worked hard to destroy the country. Hopefully labor is around long enough to fix it
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Old 17th Mar 2023, 11:22
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All I can say is lucky the adults are back in power, LNP worked hard to destroy the country. Hopefully labor is around long enough to fix it
Wow, just wow!
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Old 17th Mar 2023, 16:56
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Originally Posted by rattman
FMS for 200 tomahawks has been granted. These are specifically VLS versions for the hobart Air Warfare Destroyers
Sone info on that in this news story.
US agrees to sell 220 Tomahawk missiles to Australia | CNN
The US State Department has approved Australia’s request to buy up to 220 long-range Tomahawk cruise missiles, making it only the second US ally to obtain the US-made weapon after the United Kingdom.
According to a statement from the Defense Security Cooperation Agency, the deal will cost as much as 1.3 billion Australian dollars ($895 million), including maintenance and logistical support.
“The proposed sale will improve Australia’s capability to interoperate with US maritime forces and other allied forces as well as its ability to contribute to missions of mutual interest,” the statement added.
CNN, consider the source.
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Old 17th Mar 2023, 17:23
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Would it be better from Fox?

But it is accurate.
https://www.dsca.mil/press-media/maj...-weapon-system
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Press Release - Australia 23-02 CN.pdf
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23-02WASHINGTON, March 16, 2023 - The State Department has made a determination approving a possible Foreign Military Sale to the Government of Australia of Tomahawk Block V and Block IV All Up Rounds

(AUR) and related equipment for an estimated cost of $895 million. The Defense Security Cooperation Agency delivered the required certification notifying Congress of this possible sale today.

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Wow, just wow!
Same circus, just different clowns.

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Old 18th Mar 2023, 07:17
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Originally Posted by Asturias56
hell - all they need to do is stop buying Australian - the economy would be on its knees in a few months, Labour would be in and goodbye AUKUS
Er, Labour ARE in power in Australia!

And they are firmly behind AUKUS.
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Old 18th Mar 2023, 08:31
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Er, Labour ARE in power in Australia!

And they are firmly behind AUKUS.
Thanks, I missed correcting that
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they are today but in the future???
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Originally Posted by Asturias56
they are today but in the future???
What about when we become a fascist republic? Mate, stop digging your hole...move on.
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Sir Humphrey:

The Pinstripedline analysis of the AUKUS SSN deal, why it provides both long term opportunity for the UK but could also be a 'policy albatross' and why Australia may supplant the UK as the key US ally is now live.

https://tinyurl.com/2b8mmh5f
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Missed an interview with Richard Marles, Australian defence minister. He said that the first virginia's would be around 2030 and be 13 years old. That would put it at the Washington SSN 787, Block 3.



That would Washington, Colorado and Indiana to australia with South Dakota and Delaware with the possible 2 additionals. All block 3
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Old 20th Mar 2023, 07:12
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Originally Posted by golder
Same circus, just different clowns.
As a clown, Morrison was in a class of his own!
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Originally Posted by rattman
Missed an interview with Richard Marles, Australian defence minister. He said that the first virginia's would be around 2030 and be 13 years old. That would put it at the Washington SSN 787, Block 3.
That would Washington, Colorado and Indiana to australia with South Dakota and Delaware with the possible 2 additionals. All block 3
From what I saw, the first would be secondhand and block 3 fits, With the remainder new build. though not with vertical launch.


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